my journey to get to 150 criticizm and suggestions wanted

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Wow. U don't understand how cadio is beneficial. You have a lot more reading to do.

Helps blood flow. Helps appetite. Helps proper nutrient partioning. Helps endurance to keep a nice pace for high intensity lifting and strenuous exercise.

Cardio is important in gaining weight. No mater how much u weigh. No one said to run a marathon
 
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even doing 15-20mins of hiit cardio is good for appetite, nutrient partioning and overall cardiovascular health in general.
 
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Wow. U don't understand how cadio is beneficial. You have a lot more reading to do.

Helps blood flow. Helps appetite. Helps proper nutrient partioning. Helps endurance to keep a nice pace for high intensity lifting and strenuous exercise.

Cardio is important in gaining weight. No mater how much u weigh. No one said to run a marathon
You're right_ I don't understand how cardio is beneficial in the goal of weight gain.
I do understand that a strong healthy heart is of the utmost importance. "no one ever died from a weak bicep" is what a very well respected trainer once said. I do not however condone interval training to a 128 pound kid that's looking to gain weight. I say eat, do heavy squats, deads, pull ups and bench to get big.
You say ditch the protein shakes and do cardio.
you use some great terminology in your posts and I respect your intelligence, but the advice your giving this kid is not the best.
 
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Just caught this thread, im subd.! Keep up the hard work and dedication.. Keep cardio to a minimum, really, I didnt start truly gaining until I gave up cardio. I also felt my appetite decrease after cardio, but thats just me..
 
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You're right_ I don't understand how cardio is beneficial in the goal of weight gain.
I do understand that a strong healthy heart is of the utmost importance. "no one ever died from a weak bicep" is what a very well respected trainer once said. I do not however condone interval training to a 128 pound kid that's looking to gain weight. I say eat, do heavy squats, deads, pull ups and bench to get big.
You say ditch the protein shakes and do cardio.
you use some great terminology in your posts and I respect your intelligence, but the advice your giving this kid is not the best.
I said ditch the weight gainers and add more fat to the diet. Interval training will help the appetite. And its not everyday. I never once said not to do compound lifts or eat.

When u drop cardio your endurance drops for intense training and u can't complete a workout because your endurance is not well. Blood flow Is important for optimal recovery to bring nutrients to tissues

He won't waste away doin HIIT for 20 min 3x a week. And all other days walking for a little bit. U act like he's running a marathon. And he's been gaining. I wouldn't advocate anyone put one tremendous amount of weight in 2 months. Puts too much strain on tissues and organs.

Most important is he's gaining at a steady rate with no fat. He's dedicated and has the will to do it. Everythings he's adding is muscle. U have to also fully understand where he was coming from and the conditions he had as well. How pissed would u be if u put one 3 pounds of fat for every pound of muscle for a total gain of 4 pounds.

Do not advocate over eating which eventually will lead to adipose accumulation. Advocate healthy smart choices with slow weight gain to ensure no fat gain or very little fat gain

Now I'm gunna ice my fingers because I typed this from my blackberry
 
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Just caught this thread, im subd.! Keep up the hard work and dedication.. Keep cardio to a minimum, really, I didnt start truly gaining until I gave up cardio. I also felt my appetite decrease after cardio, but thats just me..
My appetite diminishes after grueling intense workouts but picks up a few hours later

After running on empty for 20 min I'm starving all day
 
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idk why everyone is so anti-cardio these days. yes granted if i was running countless hours daily and eating a poor diet with inadequate calories i wouldnt gain . but with that said why change something that works? ive been steadily gaining ever since march and going from 81 lbs to 128 with minimal fat gain has got to show some dedication on my part to meticulous diet and training should it? I know all my buddies think im crazy for planning everything i eat two days in advance and weighing out my food so that i can keep track of every single calorie , macro by macro, so i can find what works and what does not. but anyways since my new favorite nutrient partitioner is HCA i thought id post some info on it before everyone assumes HCA is only good for cutting. while it is excellent for cutting it is perfect for lean bulking or recomping IMO. and since i needed to take a break from berberine i found HCA.



STOPS PRODUCTION OF NEW FAT

HCA acts as a lipogenic inhibitor meaning that it inhibits the production of fat in the body. It has been demonstrated that this amazing extract has the ability to reduce fat production by 40-70% up to 12 hours after eating a meal. It does this by attaching itself to a compound known as citrate lyase. Citrate lyase is an enzyme necessary for the production of the building blocks of fat, Malonyl Coenzyme A. By rendering citrate lyase inactive, Malonyl Coenzyme A cannot be made and so fat is not synthesized.



ACCELERATED FAT BURNING

Low levels of Malonyl Coenzyme A triggers another fat reducing reaction. Put simply, when your body is not making fat it likes to burn fat. The low level of Malonyl Coenzyme A activates the oxidation of fat in the liver and adipose tissues. This accelerated fat burning (thermogenesis) is the most important effect of HCA for fat loss.




Increased gluconeogenesis and larger glycogen stores in the liver seem to signal the brain that the body is full. In addition, enhanced gluconeogenesis counter acts lowered blood sugar (hypoglycemia).

INCREASED METABOLIC RATE

Metabolic energy is necessary in order to synthesize new glucose. Thus, whenever gluconeogenesis is stimulated, metabolic rate increases (Flatt JP Biochem of Energy Expenditure, Bray GA, London 1978, pp 211-228). This increases the expenditure of calories in the body.



PROTEIN SPARING -

In a negative calorie balance, that is , when more calories are burned than ingested, stored fat and protein are oxidized to meet the body’s metabolic demands. It is preferable that fat rather than protein be burned during this state. But during dieting (restricted calorie intake) up to 30% of the weight reduction can come from muscle loss. HCA stimulates fat burning while simultaneously retarding protein breakdown. This minimizes the loss of muscle. It does this because of its effect on ketone bodies - which slow the rate at which protein is broken down in skeletal muscle (Sherwin RS et al J Clin, Invest 1975, 55:1382-1390). HCA accelerates the rate of ketone production. The glucose formed from gluconeogenesis stimulates the secretion of Insulin. Insulin is more anabolic than Testosterone and thus the breakdown of protein in the muscle tissue is inhibited (Sherwin RS et al J Clin Invest 1975 55:1382-1390). By maintaining more muscle, as well as looking better, the body will burn more fat. The greater the lean mass, the faster the metabolic rate and the less that calories have to be cut back. This makes dieting easier.



LOWERS CHOLESTEROL

HCA reduces LDL (Berkhout TA et al, Biochem J 1990; 272:181-186) (the bad cholesterol) and triglycerides(Sullivan AC et al, Am J Clin Nutr 1977; 30: 777-784). It is thought that this lowering of the production of both cholesterol and fatty acids is a result of HCA’s effects on the metabolism.



INCREASING THE EFFECTS OF HCA

Two substances that have both been demonstrated to enhance the effects of HCA are L-Carnitine and Chromium.

L-Carnitine, a naturally occurring Amino Acid, becomes supercharged when paired with HCA, picking up fats and throwing them into the body’s furnace, where they are burned and used as energy. L-Carnitine is essential in the transfer of long chain fatty acids into the mitochondria of the cells, (furnace part of cell).

Chromium is a key mineral that “keeps insulin levels in check” by making the hormone more efficient at regulating blood sugar levels (US Dept of Agriculture).

A number of clinical trials have been performed including an eight week double blind control study in 1991. The people who took HCA in combination with Chromium lost an average of approximately 5 kg (11.1 pounds) per person(Anthony Conty, MD 1991 Hilton Head Study: Lipodex - 2). This finding was confirmed by a 1993 trial (11.48 lbs)(Anthony Conty, MD 1993 Allendale Study: Lipotrol/Actotherm).
 
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I am only anti-cardio due to all I did in HS and Middle school was cardio. My senior year of HS I was the same height of about 5'10", 6 percent BF and a whopping 118 lbs. Was a varsity swimmer and track runner. Even though I have quit cardio and gained hella mass, my Army PFT 2 mile time is still between 12 and 13 minutes and my BF percentage is still low, even on my dirty bulk diet. Im not saying for you to stop cardio all together, just to do enough to keep you satisfied, but not so much to were it hinders gains.
 
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whats your point honestly? if i am doing cardio and still making consistent LEAN gains in the amount of .5-1lb every 1-2 weeks how is it affecting me negatively? Id rather make the consistently lean gains that i am instead of dropping cardio, forgetting about meal plans and just eating everything in site, and putting on 1lb of fat for every 1lb of muscle. id rather be healthy and if it takes me longer to reach my goal then so be it. its not worth getting to my goal weight with half being fat in half the time instead of doing it the right way and getting there in twice the time but twice as healthy and lean.
 
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I'm not anti-cardio, but if I was trying to bulk, I would be. And you sir, are trying to bulk, yes?
I think cardio yr round is important for general health, whether bulking or not.

During a bulk, I'll do less for sure, but just make sure I compensate for it in my diet.
 
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I think cardio yr round is important for general health, whether bulking or not.

During a bulk, I'll do less for sure, but just make sure I compensate for it in my diet.[/QUOTE]


Exactly , im doing cardio and im still gaining weight so i must be doing something right :32:
 
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whats your point honestly? if i am doing cardio and still making consistent LEAN gains in the amount of .5-1lb every 1-2 weeks how is it affecting me negatively? Id rather make the consistently lean gains that i am instead of dropping cardio, forgetting about meal plans and just eating everything in site, and putting on 1lb of fat for every 1lb of muscle. id rather be healthy and if it takes me longer to reach my goal then so be it. its not worth getting to my goal weight with half being fat in half the time instead of doing it the right way and getting there in twice the time but twice as healthy and lean.
4 years ago I weighed 160 and got to 200 with just a good diet and heavy lifting in only 7 months. it was easy because I hadn't reached my genetic potential yet. Just like you.
I never said forget about meal plans, just freakin eat some calories and stop wasting them doin cardio!You don't even eat beef!
I was only trying to get you to try the ways that I did, and gain quicker. Good luck dude, I guess I'm throwing my hands up in the air about this one. Late.
 
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40 lbs in 7 months. starting at 160? how much was fat bro. but regardless from march until now ive put on 49 lbs... so 9 months 49 lbs and sub 10% bf. how is that different i dont get it
 
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i just posted some this past monday and tuesday. they were a lil blurry. ill try to get some pics tomorrow before breakfast so im not pumped from teh carbs
 
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I say keep the cardio. If there was one thing I had to do between lifting and cardio, for health it would be cardio. Since you are not in that issue, just continue lifting while keeping the cardio. The best of both worlds, so what if you don't gain as much as quick.
 
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took some pics but when i was uploading them at my friends house her camera died so shes gonna send them to me some time this week. but i did get one picture loaded.
judoJ I copied ur pic idea



took measurements when i woke up after i weighed myself
chest: 35.7
quad:20
calf 12
bicep 12.25
forgot to do waist somewhere around 28-30 im guessing.
so im hoping im still at 130 tomorrow when i wake up.
 
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but i did get one picture loaded.
judoJ I copied ur pic idea
:bigok: no prob... pics dont lie man, looking good so far.. keep putting them lbs on bud!!!!
 
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thanks bro , im gonna have to start a new thread because ill be at 150 in the next 4 months hopefully if everything goes the way it has been. next thread will be trip to 185 6%bf
 
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you havent been using any supps for this so far have you? If i remember reading right it was just some bulk amino 1-carboxy and forselean.. was there anything else? Either way you have made great progress.. you really know what your doing man.. keep it up ur'll be at 185 in no time (definetely before I get down to there)
 
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yeah used the carboxy and forslean, different GDAs, a few prewo drinks, and i restarted my hpta with clomid, hx2 and formex when i found out my t was zero after the hospital bit. other than that i tried alpha drive for 3 weeks nd thats about it. i have alot of **** but i have it for future cycles i have planned. oh im on ghenerate right now, which i like alot, sleep and recovery are the best on it and i think i get a better pump from it for some reason.
 
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yeah used the carboxy and forslean, different GDAs, a few prewo drinks, and i restarted my hpta with clomid, hx2 and formex when i found out my t was zero after the hospital bit. other than that i tried alpha drive for 3 weeks nd thats about it. i have alot of **** but i have it for future cycles i have planned. oh im on ghenerate right now, which i like alot, sleep and recovery are the best on it and i think i get a better pump from it for some reason.
Didn't you recently use a PH? lol
 
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like i said i used alpha drive which had the questionable ADED compound that was in JW and I thought they were the same but the ADED in alpha drive was actualy methylatd instead of the 6dmt or whatever it was in og jw. because if it was actually the ph in JW i wouldve been suppressed after using it and i was not . i got bloods done 4 weeks after with no pct after and a 4 week break from everything
 
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yeah used the carboxy and forslean, different GDAs, a few prewo drinks, and i restarted my hpta with clomid, hx2 and formex when i found out my t was zero after the hospital bit. other than that i tried alpha drive for 3 weeks nd thats about it. i have alot of **** but i have it for future cycles i have planned. oh im on ghenerate right now, which i like alot, sleep and recovery are the best on it and i think i get a better pump from it for some reason.
I just started using ghenerate along with somnidren... Best sleep I EVER had. And I am waking up before my alarm and feeling refreshed!! I think the ghenerate is helping ALOT with recovery and the somnidren I take sublingually and it literaly has my eyes dropping a minute later. I have problems falling asleep thats why I take the somnidren, but the ghenerate is definetely a great sleep and recovery aide!!

What are your pre workout drinks? You should try LGs anadraulic pump. I have it now and its great! Great energy and good pumps, I am thinking of stacking it with green mag or cre-02 to get some creatine in the mix.
 
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i have a couple that i started rotating pretty much, jp8 which is good but i end up sick when i take it for some reason and its not the taste that bothers me either. APS Mesomorph which is the best one ive tried 4g beta of beta alanine plus icariin 50%, arginine, citrulline, and two creatines, but i dont like to use it more than two times a week since it has a pretty strong stim complex with geranium. i think they use the same stim they put in white lightning. and then i got a bunch of packs of no beta and Creadyl that ive been using lately.its actually a really nice combo and the creadyl orange cream flavor is delicious. but im gonna be doing a log on a new prewo and bcaa product so im stoked about that since im just about out of all of those.
 
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whats the new product? and what is cready?

Hemodraulix is another good solid product. Great addition to pretty much anything
 
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gonna be doing a log for BBS. the creadyl is made by a new company called double-t sports. theyre pretty big over at one of the other forums. they have good stuff tho except theyre ZMA with testofen only has 100mg of testofen lol.
but heres the label for creadyl 650 Grams Orange Cream
Supplement Facts
Serving Size16Grams
Servings Per Container40
Amount Per Serving % Daily Value
Calories 30
Total Carbohydrate 5g 1.7%
Sugars <0.5g *
Dietary Fiber <0.5g 0%
Total Fat 0g 0%
Saturated Fat 0g 0%
Vitamin B1(as Thiamine) 12.5mg 833%
Vitamin B2(as Riboflavin) 10.2mg 600%
Vitamin B3(as Niacin) 61.2mg 306%
Vitamin B5(as Dicalcium Pantothenate) 11.1mg 111%
Vitamin B6(as Pyridoxine HCL) 30mg 1500%
Vitamin B9(as Folic Acid) 400mcg 100%
Vitamin B12(as Cyanocobalamin) 100mcg 1666%
Proprietary Electrolyte Blend - ElectroPlex™ 705mg *
Magnesium(as Magnesium Oxide) 200mg 50%
Zinc(as Zinc Gluconate) 30mg 200%
Sodium(as Sodium Chloride) 125mg 5%
Potassium(as Potassium Citrate) 200mg 5.7%
Calcium(as Calcium Carbonate) 150mg 15%
Proprietary Creamatrix Blend - CreAxt3™ 803mg *
Glucoronolactone, Taurine, Caffeine Anhydrous (150 Mg), L-Tyrosine, Vinpocetine
Proprietary Creamatrix Blend - CreAxt3™ 7,618mg *
Di-Creatine Malate, Creatine Ethyl Ester (CEE), Betaine Anyhdrous, Beta-Alanine, Creatine Monohydrate, Glycocyamine (GAA), Citrulline Malate, Choline (From Choline Bitartrate)

and the no beta is just
(A-AKG), Beta-Alanine, Creatine Ethyl Ester (CEE), Citrulline Malate, L-Arginine, L-Norvaline

they stack nice together and its only like a few bucks more than buying the green mag and white flood combo except the no beta has more servings than white flood and the creadyl is 40 serv like green mag. and Cre02 is really good from the samples ive tried. i noticed better endurance only using it four days in a row so i would imagine using it for a month or longer would bring more pronounced effects
 
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and Cre02 is really good from the samples ive tried. i noticed better endurance only using it four days in a row so i would imagine using it for a month or longer would bring more pronounced effects
thats awesome you mentioned this. My new sponsored log coming in janurary is cre-02 and nitrocreps both by MST. Really excited to run it, still gotta talk with the MST reps and see what other supps I would be allowed to run with it.

So do you got any furture plans for your 185lbs journey? Gonna continuewith your current routine, diet, supps? Or switching it up a little?
 
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well ive been saving up some cash and i think ill have enough to run a natty stack ive been planning. as long as my books dont cost more than i planned for ill be running hghup, cordygen 5, icarrin 2g/day, testofen 1g/day, divanil 1g/day, long jack, maca and some bromo. I like buying bulk powders to customize my doses on differnent herbs to really maximize the effect. and ill prolly do that stack after my log is finished. id like to run either testify or complete pct with c-bolic during the log since those are also better body sports products. and then after that hopefully ill be in the 150-160 range which would be about 6-7 months. then ill prolly either run test-e 12 wks, with sd kick start and epi at the tail or just a phera, epi bridge. i have a lil stash to play with a should keep me busy for a few years lol. but to be honest i sold just about half my **** to pay for school
 
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as far as diet and training goes im gonna be sticking to the same routine modified a little bit just focusing more compound lifts primarily 4-5 exercises 4-5 sets pyramid rep scheme. thats worked well, and on iso lifts i like to super set and drop set. and diet i plan on keeping carbs at 270g and upping fats. and the last month on my off day i do a 50/10/40 split fat/carb/pro and cals the same. i find that it helps keep the fat gain down while still getting in all the cals i need.
 
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i do a 50/10/40 split fat/carb/pro and cals the same
That's a ketogenic diet. great for forcing your body to burn fat for energy (opposed to carbs), but prolonged exposure to this type of diet can cause problems.

The ketogenic diet is not a benign, holistic or natural treatment ... as with any serious medical therapy, there may be complications... Common but easily treatable short-term side effects include constipation, low-grade acidosis, and hypoglycaemia if there is an initial fast. Cholesterol may increase by around 30%. Long-term use of the ketogenic diet... increases the risk of retarded growth, bone fractures, and kidney stones.
I think the Keto diet is great as long as A) you know your doing it B) why its working and C) the associated risks.

anyway keep on gaining bro.

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Instead of focusing on future cycles, construct a plan for the next semester. In your situation, a solid 5 lb gain would be fantastic and I would highly advise against AAS use considering your past. I really like you dedication to achieving your goals and you seem to have really turned the corner, but don't lose sight of the main reason for this: to improve your health.

I'm always here to answer any questions, but I can speak from personal experience that it is very easy to get too wrapped up into meticulously planning everything. After awhile, it becomes a chore and not enjoyable. For a couple years, training was not that fun to me because I had lost sight of why I started to lift in the first place: to get stronger and look better. Also, don't be afraid to take a week off every 10-12 weeks.
 
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Good advice rodja

And as far as keto diets

All those problems are easily fixed with proper supplementation on the diet

And keto diets lower cholesterol. Improve ratio. That information may have been taken from the data on atkins. Most fats help cholesterol levels.

Ill have to find the review study I have on it
 
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That's a ketogenic diet. great for forcing your body to burn fat for energy (opposed to carbs), but prolonged exposure to this type of diet can cause problems.



I think the Keto diet is great as long as A) you know your doing it B) why its working and C) the associated risks.

anyway keep on gaining bro.

Tan
if u notice i do that one day a week, on my off day. so doing those macros would not put me into ketosis in the course of one day, and i check actually. with bg monitor and keto strips . but to rodja thanks for the advise, i think 5 lbs is more than attainable next semester.
 
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Good deal, yeah it takes a couple of days to go in to keto. Just thought I would mention it is a Keto macro count.
 
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thought id post up my leg workout today and see what ur criticisms are . i kno i did too many sets today but i had alot of energy and made up for the extra with more cals.

squats
135x15, 175x10,195x10,205x8,250x5,300x2,195x10,135x30

leg press 270x15, 360x12, 450x10, 500x10, 540x6,600x5, 270x15

hack slide machine
wide feet 135x20, feet touching 135x20, 180x15,15

walking lunge
85x20,20 115x10,10

leg curl
70x15,105x12, 95x10, 70x10

leg ext. 100x15,140x12,175x8, 220x4, 80x20

calves and abs after that

then 30 mins on precor slide eliptical thing. 2 min fast 3 slow and repeated.

3250 cals today
 
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how is the GHenerate treating you?
 
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thats the best money ive ever spent on a supp honestly. i have horrible insomnia and its the best sleep /recovery supp. and with the igh1 gnarly pumps brah . im sure ull enjoy it on ur cycle.
and to update my progress i finally benched 200 for 2 reps.
 
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nice! thats like ~55% over bodyweight!
 
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Bro ur sqauts r killer. Gotta get vids up of all that man. Super motivating and impressive!
 
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here was my back workout today im so damn tired never lifted so hard nd did too much cardio.


50 pullups
iso low row 90x15,135x10,155x10,180x10
one arm db row 45x15, 55x10,65x10,70x8,75x6,40x20
lat puldown 70x15,85x10, 125x8
deads 110x15,135x10,185x8,240x4x2,225x5,180x5,135x20
over head press (wanted to hit shoulder a bit) 95x10x4, 110x5x2
arnolds 25x15,30x10x2,35x8x2

cardio
sprint 1 mile 6:15 incline 4
walk .75mile incline 15
sprint 1 mi 7:30 incline 5
walk .75 mile incline 15


well deserved cheat meal today forsure
 
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Everything is lookin superb man, when you get to 150+ your gonna have the strength of a 200+ guy!!!
 
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haha i hope so that would be nice. hell ill be happy when i get back to my strength level i had before having to start from scratch
 
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thanks man appreciate it. hit another pr on DB presses, 60 x 10 x 2
 
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You'll want to throw deads at the beginning of your session. It's a foundation lift and should be one of the pillars of your routine. Back training is grueling and it is much easier to rely on machines and cable, but the best training comes from deads, BB/DB rows, pull-ups, pullovers, and hypers. You could honestly just do this and build an amazing back.

From personal experience, the 2 main groups you should really hit hard is back and thighs. They'll help to not only increase all of your lifts, but add massive poundage to your frame. When I started, I focused on my back and thighs. Even to this day, they are still my 2 best muscle groups and I credit that early hard work for getting me to that point.
 
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i usually warm up with pullups, then hit the hammer strength hi and low row , then i go to one arm DB rows, then underhand bb rows, then i hit deads last because i use all my strength on those. so ur saying it would be better to do deads first and just skip the machines ?
 
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i usually warm up with pullups, then hit the hammer strength hi and low row , then i go to one arm DB rows, then underhand bb rows, then i hit deads last because i use all my strength on those. so ur saying it would be better to do deads first and just skip the machines ?
Yes.

In order:
Deads
BB/DB Rows
Pull-Ups
Another row with a different grip (e.g. if you do BB Rows, then use a neutral grip row)
Hypers or Pullovers

Also, do long static stretches at the end of training. This helps to increase the microtrauma and delivers more blood to the fascia.
 
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like the DC stretching? ive skimmed thru dc stuff but never actually read it thoroughly
 

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