steviestv8
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im looking to drop some weight on one cycle and bulk on the next is this smart? or should i do oppostie? and what would be the best for both of these?
is this ur first cycle of anything including ph?
yes first cycle hense begginer need help title lol
I laughed. And i'm not touching this one. One thing is for sure you need to figure out if you're bulking or cutting cuz I can't understand what you're trying to get out of this.No real big reasons i have used prohormones before just want to try something new.
x2, id love to help, but this thread is all over the place. and its pretty clear the OP has done minimal research and planningI laughed. And i'm not touching this one. One thing is for sure you need to figure out if you're bulking or cutting cuz I can't understand what you're trying to get out of this.
NO. ur going in the OPPOSITE direction. stick with TEST ONLY....thats it!!!My idea if this was ok fwith all of you lol! was starting off cutting with
trenbelone ethnate 200-600mgs a week
test. because of the raised prolactin levels. just not sure what kind or amount
pct.
HCG 2,000-5,000 i.u. every 5 days for 2-3 week
clomid last 10-15 50-100mg
or would
a proviron25-100mg with nolvadex or Hcg work better?
Didn't read all the other posts but 1) don't run deca, you are going to end up with boobs, 2) you never use hCG during pct, it is suppressive to the bodies natural LH, 3) drop the dbol for your first cycle IMO.400mg week deca Week 1-8
400mg week Test Enanthate Week 1-8
30 mg dbol Week 1-4
as for pct not sure of dosages but Hcg and Clomid
:sigh1: You are going to end up with non-functional testes. hCG should be run at 250-500iu E3D on- cycle to keep testes functioning.HCG 2,000-5,000 i.u. every 5 days for 2-3 week
Didn't read all the other posts but 1) don't run deca, you are going to end up with boobs, 2) you never use hCG during pct, it is suppressive to the bodies natural LH, 3) drop the dbol for your first cycle IMO.
Also, I would lean up without AAS before jumping into it. I'm not saying you can't take anything to assist in the weight loss but AAS probably is not the right choice. No one is trying to make you feel bad but this is dangerous stuff you are dealing with. Do you have a SERM for on-cycle in case you need it?
NO. ur going in the OPPOSITE direction. stick with TEST ONLY....thats it!!!
Test-e or c 500mg/week for 10-12 weeks, DEFINITELY NO TREN
wow deca, dbol, test as a 1st cycle... I guess if you want to go from amateur to pro in 1 cycle lol. That sounds like some harsh stuff for your 1st rodeo IMHO. If your set on a longer cycle for recomp and bulk maybe 12 weeks of EQ/bold, with SD the 1st 3 weeks and Epi/Havoc the last 3 weeks. lots of clean cals and even more cardio. Let me restate however IMHO this all sounds a little premature.
Edit: also spend 6 months to a year getting maxed and primed for such a cycle 'cause I don't think you want to try to do this 2 times in 1 year.
x2, id love to help, but this thread is all over the place. and its pretty clear the OP has done minimal research and planning
I laughed. And i'm not touching this one. One thing is for sure you need to figure out if you're bulking or cutting cuz I can't understand what you're trying to get out of this.
maybe u should read what all these guys are saying then do more research and plan something out based on what suggestions u have been given because they are all right. u cant go on google and search cycles and think u can just run any one u see. every cycle u have proposed are both going to be unproductive and those compounds should only be used by advanced users. i dont think u realize how strong real tren is. its not like taking the so called "Tren" phs that were on the market:sigh1: You are going to end up with non-functional testes. hCG should be run at 250-500iu E3D on- cycle to keep testes functioning.
Cut out the juice and milk and replace with water. Cut back to 1 shake a day and get more whole food protein. Make sure your sandwhich is made with whole wheat bread. How much cardio do you do on off days? Consider doing a carb depletion diet night before off days followed by HIIT cardio the following morning then carb load to prep for next 3 days w.o.. You are still in college, how often do you drink alcohol?chest shoulders tri abs, back biceps traps, basically legs quadd calf hams ext. upon waking up usually 9:00 3 egg whites 1 whole egg, 8 oz milk 8 oz. cran, 12:00 protein shake, 3:00 turkey sandwhich, vegtables, 8 oz juice, 7:00 protein shake, 8:00 lift, 9-10 post shake, 11-12 small snack or drink. This varies alot though with food and time still in college so its hard keeping a set schedule with it and work.
For our goal of cutting right now, an HIIT routine is okay. When we start bulking we'll want to change that. On cycle no alcohol is allowed. As a practice run, let's start that now. I personally like a keto diet for cutting. I'm a little more than a week into keto now and plan on have a carb free t-giving. I understand that that diet is tough for most tho. Please research diet options and find one that suits your goals and lifestyle. Also, we want to quantify your goals. Let's get a bf % done, either at a nutritionist or buy your own caliper. Set a target bf% and weight. You'll probably hit one goal or the other but when you hit either we can reassess. Sound good?my workout is a HIIT program so on off day i just do a 30 min jog at around 150 HR i my bread is always wheat and i maybe go out one night a week and drink 3 or 4 beers. i would dlike to try the ECA and about the carb depletion the night before what is your take on how many carbs i should take the day before the off?
In PMs James went on to tell me the only difference between his bulking and cutting diet is the volume of potatoes! sound perfect to me...Well I dont know how good you are at sticking to the same ole food everyday for weeks or even months on end but this is what I prefer for bulking....
5 Lbs of Russet Potatos (aprox 2000 calories from carbs, 580ish grams carbs, 80ish grams protein, 30-50 grams fiber, zero grams fat!)
2 Lbs of Lean Ground Turkey (93/7, aprox 1600 calories from protein, aprox 180 grams protein, aprox 20 grams fat)
(I change this to 2.5Lbs turkey per day if I am doing a 4 or 5 day split)
For sauce I use HEB Brand, No High Fructose Corn Syrup Ketchup, and when it starts to get plain I throw in some good ole Mexican hot sauce (not salsa, more like an even spicier Tabasco) This way I get no more than 100 calories from all combined sauces in a day. Also remember to keep out the high fructose corn syrup to help keep the insulin levels stable when on a high carb diet.
I chop the potatos up really small kinda like chips, I spray non fat cooking spray on 2 large cookie pans and bake at 430 degress for 28 minutes.
Boil the Turkey (boiling will cook it faster and the fat will float to get it to 99% lean after you strain it, in theory...) Make sure you have a Lid on the Pot as this way it is pretty much impossible to overcook (more like steaming actually) and you cant forget about it and evaporate all the water out and have burnt food lol
I know I am a bit hardcore but I like it.... For me this will bulk me up about 1 - 2 lbs per week depending on what sorta split I am on. I throw in a homemade protein shake on my lifting days just to be sure I am really in the anabolic range.
I will typically eat this diet for 2-3 months straight with just a little cheat meal once a week (cheat meal, not cheat day*). Ohh yeah one more great thing about it, it costs less than $70 per week after taxes, heck watch for a good deal and you can pickup the turkey really cheap at sams club!
-James
stop walking there to get food. Go food shopping.im off campus but i have a small campus so i walk there to get food.
IMO, a test cycle requires an LH clone on-cycle to prevent testicular atrophy, a SERM as PCT after the ester clears, a natural test booster, and a cortisol control at a minimum.ok what would be a good pct for test -e or c
You are getting shot down because you are proposing compounds that conflict with each other or don't belong. For starters, clomid, sustain alpha, and lean xtreme are a good base for a pct. However, depending on what you take you'll want to take these compounds at different times and in different amounts for different durations. Also, this is just the BASE for your cycle's pct - it is not complete.Yes i know but like i put up stuff i had in mind and i kind of get shot down everytime what products do you think work or should be used?
You're totally wrong. hCG should be run on-cycle starting 2 weeks into the cycle and stopped 2 weeks before the cycle ends. THis give ur HPTA time to start producing its own LH again. You don't need to run clomid and nolva together, they are both serms. Here is an example cycle:im going to say what im thinking of doing for bulking cycle le me know what you think about dosages.
testc
hcg start 2 weeks before end of cycle do it for 3 week total
clomid start first day post and continue for one month
and nolva for one month
now destroy this for me and tell me im totally wrong
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