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Will your products continue to be available?
Or Cry...either one is acceptable... Yes this is one of the situations where it is ok to cry and still abide by the man laws....Wait until mid-week and ask.
The fda is going to force everyone to purchase real gear soon be ready to go natty or find the good stuff
I would and I did stock up, there are some great deals out there. I got Cel Phera for 18.99 a bottleSo I should stock up from any websites that still offer H-drol and M-drol. DAMNIT doesn't the govt have more important things to worry about. :swordfight:
Damn. Thats less than we sell to any retailer for lol.I would and I did stock up, there are some great deals out there. I got Cel Phera for 18.99 a bottle
I swear most guys are ****ing lazy. Bodybuilding comes from hard work, not pills in a bottle. Hell, most guys have run multiple cycles and still weigh 175 or less. Unreal.I'm sorry, but you are not forced to do anything, and to even entertain the notion that the FDA can be blamed for the shady practices by some companies only shows lack of intelligence with your rationale of reality.
While I agree that bodybuilding is mostly related to proper training and exercise,supplementation does play a integral role to many people.I swear most guys are ****ing lazy. Bodybuilding comes from hard work, not pills in a bottle. Hell, most guys have run multiple cycles and still weigh 175 or less. Unreal.
I'm sorry for the people this post will piss off.....maybe it will open some eyes.
I'm sorry you feel it is uncalled for. I know this hurts CEL's business as it does others. Everyone certainly can ask any question they wish, but most guys feel this is the end of the world. Most youngs guys these days don't really know what hard dedicated training is. Many have never made gains without an oral steroid or PH. And that is what I think is a shame. Now, I do think these substances are a good aid in training just like you state good supplementation is. But training and diet should come first and that is what is not happening these days. Everyone wants muscle now and they think they can get it from a pill and that is just not true. I have taken my fair share of stuff but I still think the main emphasis should be on diet and training, be it at 46 or 26. Now granted, gains comes harder at 46 than 26, but that doesn't mean you should change the way you should eat and train. And congrats on your gains! Just because someone isn't past 175 lbs doesn't mean they haven't accomplished their goals. It was just a reference.While I agree that bodybuilding is mostly related to proper training and exercise,supplementation does play a integral role to many people.
It seems like the above sentiment is a bit uncalled for in this thread as it is perfectly okay for people to ask if products that they like and enjoy will still be made or not.
Btw... if you start at 130 lbs like myself and weigh over your stated 175 lbs lean, thats not bad and no one should be criticized for that. I understand your point, but before you insult people in general, its important to note that different people have different starting points.
.... you edited your post, so I am editing mine to commend you on the dedication that you have at your age.
What's this you speak of?Everyone certainly can ask any question they wish...
i don't feel people need alcohol/cigarettes/or big macs, but i don't think the government should have the right to deprive them of these things.I'm sorry you feel it is uncalled for. I know this hurts CEL's business as it does others. Everyone certainly can ask any question they wish, but most guys feel this is the end of the world. Most youngs guys these days don't really know what hard dedicated training is. Many have never made gains without an oral steroid or PH. And that is what I think is a shame. Now, I do think these substances are a good aid in training just like you state good supplementation is. But training and diet should come first and that is what is not happening these days. Everyone wants muscle now and they think they can get it from a pill and that is just not true. I have taken my fair share of stuff but I still think the main emphasis should be on diet and training, be it at 46 or 26. Now granted, gains comes harder at 46 than 26, but that doesn't mean you should change the way you should eat and train. And congrats on your gains! Just because someone isn't past 175 lbs doesn't mean they haven't accomplished their goals. It was just a reference.
But I do think someone less than 175 has more than enough potential to get to that weight without taking any PH's or steroids.
I do agree that people need to understand the importance of proper diet and training. We as a company cannot make people train and eat properly, no one can. The people that are going to do that are going to do that, and the people that aren't simply aren't, whether these types of products are available or not.I'm sorry you feel it is uncalled for. I know this hurts CEL's business as it does others. Everyone certainly can ask any question they wish, but most guys feel this is the end of the world. Most youngs guys these days don't really know what hard dedicated training is. Many have never made gains without an oral steroid or PH. And that is what I think is a shame. Now, I do think these substances are a good aid in training just like you state good supplementation is. But training and diet should come first and that is what is not happening these days. Everyone wants muscle now and they think they can get it from a pill and that is just not true. I have taken my fair share of stuff but I still think the main emphasis should be on diet and training, be it at 46 or 26. Now granted, gains comes harder at 46 than 26, but that doesn't mean you should change the way you should eat and train. And congrats on your gains! Just because someone isn't past 175 lbs doesn't mean they haven't accomplished their goals. It was just a reference.
But I do think someone less than 175 has more than enough potential to get to that weight without taking any PH's or steroids.
Thank you. That was one of the points I was trying to point out in my above post. There are many things in life that people dont 'need', but as responsible adults, they dont want the government taking away their decisions. I view that in a way that the gov't would be saying I wasnt smart enough to choose for myself, and as a tax payer, that irritates me just a little. I am a big believer in personal responsibility - grown adults should make themselves informed of their actions, and the consequences thereof, and make their decisions accordingly.i don't feel people need alcohol/cigarettes/or big macs, but i don't think the government should have the right to deprive them of these things.
exactly, ph's today. what will they decide is 'best' for us tomorrow. after 8 years in the military defending the american way of life i would hate to see overambitious politicians take away our freedoms. i love this country, i just don't care much for the people running it right now.Thank you. That was one of the points I was trying to point out in my above post. There are many things in life that people dont 'need', but as responsible adults, they dont want the government taking away their decisions. I view that in a way that the gov't would be saying I wasnt smart enough to choose for myself, and as a tax payer, that irritates me just a little. I am a big believer in personal responsibility - grown adults should make themselves informed of their actions, and the consequences thereof, and make their decisions accordingly.
exactly, ph's today. what will they decide is 'best' for us tomorrow. after 8 years in the military defending the american way of life i would hate to see overambitious politicians take away our freedoms. i love this country, i just don't care much for the people running it right now.
Agree 100% with the portions I placed in bold! My max ceiling with diet and training topped me out at 148lbs (151lbs in the military when I didn't have to spend so much of my own money on food.) Most times I was walking around between 135 - 145 lbs. So when you have messed up genetics like me you need to get assistance to breakthrough. I jumped up to 167lbs through cycle, pct, diet, and training this summer / fall. I am sad to see the ph lines go for companies, but still hopefull they will be around with the remainder of their supplement lines. Cycle assist is a staple and still good use for it if not on a cycle!I do agree that people need to understand the importance of proper diet and training. We as a company cannot make people train and eat properly, no one can. The people that are going to do that are going to do that, and the people that aren't simply aren't, whether these types of products are available or not.
I didnt take issue with you expressing your opinion on proper diet and supplementation, but I dont feel that is fair to insult people, or to criticize people for asking questions. Certainly, some people rely too heavily on ph's, just as some people rely too heavily on protein shakes versus whole foods (myself included), but either way, they have the right to ask whether products that they like will continue to be made. Hell, if they ban protein blends, I'd be the first person posting if Synthra-6 would still be made lol.
It is certainly not the end of the world from a consumer perspective, but the issue is two fold to many people. From a bodybuilding standpoint, it is about losing products that can help you reach your goals. From a personal standpoint to many people, its about the gov't making more and more rules to dictate personal responsibility and decision making.
While I am well past the 175 mark and will probably never see that weight again if I dont chop a leg off lol, I do think that there are plenty of people out there that have genetic limitations well beneath that mark without extra assistance. For example, I box and train with many amateur MMA athletes and some of the guys in the lower classes are there for reasons - they live the healthy lifestyle and just cant grow. If you train properly and eat over 5k quality calories a day, sure someone could make the argument to eat 10k cals, but come on, thats just not realistic for the average persons budget, schedule, or digestive system. I do not think your post had bad intentions towards people in that position, but they are out there, and should be commended even more for their hard work, not criticized for having genetic/metabolism constraints. (Also in reading your post again before I click the submit button, I'm not saying people that are smaller cant get to that general weight, I'm talking about quality weight).
As far as i know it will continue to be soldSo there is not yet a decision on whether or not formestane will be continued?
aint that a bitch. i guess i can take the gun from my head then. fda/dea-:nana::nana::nana::nana:As far as i know it will continue to be sold
As far as I know it will continue for now.So there is not yet a decision on whether or not formestane will be continued?
Congrats on your progress and hopefully it will continue. Even when the ph's are gone, we will do our best to provide products to assist people in every way we can.Agree 100% with the portions I placed in bold! My max ceiling with diet and training topped me out at 148lbs (151lbs in the military when I didn't have to spend so much of my own money on food.) Most times I was walking around between 135 - 145 lbs. So when you have messed up genetics like me you need to get assistance to breakthrough. I jumped up to 167lbs through cycle, pct, diet, and training this summer / fall. I am sad to see the ph lines go for companies, but still hopefull they will be around with the remainder of their supplement lines. Cycle assist is a staple and still good use for it if not on a cycle!
Again, I did not critisize anyone asking questions. I'm all for that and that was not my intention. If it came off that way, I apoligize. My statement was reflecting upon guys who depend on Ph's to gain size. You can take PH's, but the DIET AND TRAINING still have to be there to gain size. If not they will do you no good. Unfortunately, this industry has proven not to govern itself properly (as in putting out supps that are compliant with current FDA guidelines) and are now having to suffer the consequences. We wanted a quick fix, some supp companies provided that, and now it has come to an end. I'm all for freedom of choice, but it's like speeding. When you speed and endanger other lives, the cops must step in and give you a ticket. When we can no longer control our actions, something has to give.I do agree that people need to understand the importance of proper diet and training. We as a company cannot make people train and eat properly, no one can. The people that are going to do that are going to do that, and the people that aren't simply aren't, whether these types of products are available or not.
I didnt take issue with you expressing your opinion on proper diet and supplementation, but I dont feel that is fair to insult people, or to criticize people for asking questions. Certainly, some people rely too heavily on ph's, just as some people rely too heavily on protein shakes versus whole foods (myself included), but either way, they have the right to ask whether products that they like will continue to be made. Hell, if they ban protein blends, I'd be the first person posting if Synthra-6 would still be made lol.
It is certainly not the end of the world from a consumer perspective, but the issue is two fold to many people. From a bodybuilding standpoint, it is about losing products that can help you reach your goals. From a personal standpoint to many people, its about the gov't making more and more rules to dictate personal responsibility and decision making.
While I am well past the 175 mark and will probably never see that weight again if I dont chop a leg off lol, I do think that there are plenty of people out there that have genetic limitations well beneath that mark without extra assistance. For example, I box and train with many amateur MMA athletes and some of the guys in the lower classes are there for reasons - they live the healthy lifestyle and just cant grow. If you train properly and eat over 5k quality calories a day, sure someone could make the argument to eat 10k cals, but come on, thats just not realistic for the average persons budget, schedule, or digestive system. I do not think your post had bad intentions towards people in that position, but they are out there, and should be commended even more for their hard work, not criticized for having genetic/metabolism constraints. (Also in reading your post again before I click the submit button, I'm not saying people that are smaller cant get to that general weight, I'm talking about quality weight).
live long and prosper. the horse you are beating done died.Again, I did not critisize anyone asking questions. I'm all for that and that was not my intention. If it came off that way, I apoligize. My statement was reflecting upon guys who depend on Ph's to gain size. You can take PH's, but the DIET AND TRAINING still have to be there to gain size. If not they will do you no good. Unfortunately, this industry has proven not to govern itself properly (as in putting out supps that are compliant with current FDA guidelines) and are now having to suffer the consequences. We wanted a quick fix, some supp companies provided that, and now it has come to an end. I'm all for freedom of choice, but it's like speeding. When you speed and endanger other lives, the cops must step in and give you a ticket. When we can no longer control our actions, something has to give.
:rofl:live long and prosper. the horse you are beating done died.
a moment of clarity in an otherwise cluttered mind. yeah, i kind of liked it too.:rofl:
Best post ive read in dayslive long and prosper. the horse you are beating done died.
damn, wish i said that. good post dawg. but please change that damned avi. lol.I'm turning 49 in a few months. I have not been 200 lbs since I was 21. Training, diet and Genetics are requirements to take you so far. If someone wants to go beyond that its completely up to the individual. This thread is not the place to drop a bomb on how you feel about said " enhancments". Talk here was wishing the folks at CEL the best, as they have always been Honest with the products they provide, unlike others. If you can't make a comment in that direction, don't comment! Good luck with your new products this fall guys!
49 eh, i just turned 51 last month. it don't get no easier does it ,lol. as if getting older aint bad enough now they take away our 'equalizer'. hopefully cel's new line up will do us right.Pretty much sums up how I feel about ALOT of people in the world...LOL. Gimme time I'll drop it.
i don't know if even cel can fill a void that deep, but they are the best chance we have. if anyone can, cel can.Ha, Funny you should mention that. I was thinking "how am I gonna keep up now". CEL will fill the void I'm sure.
if a person were to try hard enough you could find almost anything. damn, where was the internet in 1970's? can you imagine what that would have been like-that's scary.Is there any other cel products that will still be available? was p-plex tren m-drol the only ones?
To the best of my knowledge, you may still be able to find some products here and there, but we will not be continueing to make anymore ph compounds.I understand that but i was asking about what the damage is so far. I have used cel products for some time now and am 100% happy with the results i get.
Maybe something to help the body use nutrients better so we can possibly eat LESS food but still get what we need. There was a time in the mid 80`s when there was an anaolouge of aminos in pill form(Alpha Keto Analouges). I had great growth using these and cut back on protein shakes. I gre without all the calories. I would have liked to have seen a DS(before all this crap hit the fan) with a fat burner included in the blend that wouldn`t spike blood pressure. Maybe something growth oriented with a fat burner? Maybe a drink mix with an optimum muscle building blend of protein/carbs/fat/nutrients? Something that would actually replace one or two meals without losing the whole food advantage over a shake.To the best of my knowledge, you may still be able to find some products here and there, but we will not be continueing to make anymore ph compounds.
We hope to have a full lineup of non-ph items out in the very near future. I think we will have some things that people will be really excited about. (And before anyone even asks, we will not be elaborating until the products are closer to release, so feel free to let us know what you want, but we wont be confirming what things will be)
full lineup? you talking about basic stuff like protein/creatine too?To the best of my knowledge, you may still be able to find some products here and there, but we will not be continueing to make anymore ph compounds.
We hope to have a full lineup of non-ph items out in the very near future. I think we will have some things that people will be really excited about. (And before anyone even asks, we will not be elaborating until the products are closer to release, so feel free to let us know what you want, but we wont be confirming what things will be)
Grrrr..... it just had to be you that asked since I said I wasnt going to elaborate lolfull lineup? you talking about basic stuff like protein/creatine too?
sorry, man. just excited what you are going to come up with. you must have been planning this a long time, it took you over 2 years for the form/suppress c-hehe, just kidding. happy as hell this set back isn't going to keep you down long. best of luck, TGrrrr..... it just had to be you that asked since I said I wasnt going to elaborate lol
JK
I wouldnt say basic stuff as in I dont think that the product formulations will be basic at all. But category wise, they will be for the most part, especially at first. I doubt you will ever see a protein from us though. I would like to see us do a lean gainer at some point, but not a protein.
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