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[OzzY SluGGa]

Yeah, a multi could cover a lot of bases. I guess about 5-6 years ago, my routine bloodwork kept coming out real high for iron, so I quit taking a multi because they usually have about 18-25mg, a sizable amount. My iron went down so I never started taking a multi again. I had to pick up the slack with everything separate, so that added an extra 7+ pills a day.

Tea is a strong anti-ox, with lots of health benefits, but I'm reading too much crap about it lowering LH levels and stuff. I take it but not as much as most users do, just a pinch. I take a few high ORAC herb and berry extracts, plus extra Vit.C and extra Vit.E EOD, a few others at times. Now it looks like I'm gonna have to give this menaquinone-7 a try, the one allstar mentioned.

I'm always refining my system to try and consolidate my supp regimen, but it's kinda my job though Oz, to take vitamins all the time. I'm constantly alpha testing something, ya know?

Hey Doc, I say A) If you can afford it and B) you understand it, do it!!
Strategic's post is completely unintelligble to me. Thats not a dig at you Strat, just saying it shows the depth of my knowledge on this.....Not very deep at all!:scratchchin:

 

[strategicmove]

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Strategic's post is completely unintelligble to me. Thats not a dig at you Strat, just saying it shows the depth of my knowledge on this.....Not very deep at all!:scratchchin:

Let's try the following:

Vitamin K has two broad forms, K1 and K2. K1 is the standard form, whereas K2 is the more advanced form. Vitamin K2 is also referred to as menaquinones. The two main forms of K2 (menaquinones) are menaquinone-2 and menaquinone-7. As it turns out, menaquinones are known to be significantly more potent than standard K1. In particular, menaquinones are up to ten times better absorbed than K1, last considerably longer in our system (up to 72 hours, compared to about 8 hours for K1), and are consequently dramatically more bioactive.
In a properly functioning metabolic environment, only minuscule amounts of calcium should be in the blood stream, because calcium should preferably be bound to bones. If, due to some dysfunction, calcium begins to circulate in our blood, this eventually leads to the accumulation of layers of calcium deposits in the arterial walls, a process known as calcification. Furthermore, if calcium circulates in the blood, and does not sufficiently bind to bones, bone structure and density are compromised (weakened). Osteoporosis may develop as a consequence. These outcomes also suggest that calcium-regulating proteins do not function properly. In any case, the calcification deprives the arteries of their flexibility and elasticity, such that a variety of cardiovascular conditions, including high blood pressure, arteriosclerosis, and so on may develop, not to mention the likelihood of osteroporosis. But because menaquinones are particularly effective at directing calcium from the blood to the bones, and because Vitamin K is necessary for the proper functioning of calcium-regulating proteins, a sufficient intake of vitamin K, especially the more biocative forms, menaquinones, may eventually eliminate circulating blood calcium, direct this calcium to bones, and support the proper functioning of calcium-regulating proteins. This will improve cardiovascular functioning as well as bone health.

I hope this is clearer.

By the way, for the purposes of completeness, the tocopherols I mentioned earlier certainly include the other forms such as gamma and delta. Similarly, the tocotrienols should include the entire complex: alpha, beta, gamma, and delta tocotrienols.

 

[strategicmove]

You posted all of that from an Iphone damn

Took me two weeks to write! :frustrate:

 

[OzzY SluGGa]

I think Strategic, RMS80, and Mullet need to have a "brain off" and see who truly has the most high powered, veiny, throbbing noggin. OR, get together and cure cancer/AIDS world hunger or something? :laugh:

 

[CROWLER]

Hey Doc, I say A) If you can afford it and B) you understand it, do it!!
Strategic's post is completely unintelligble to me. Thats not a dig at you Strat, just saying it shows the depth of my knowledge on this.....Not very deep at all!:scratchchin:

That is because Strategic's post was in German.

Wait wat ????


Yes I went there :scared:

 

[bolt10]

this looks interesting...i may pick some up in the pre-sale depending on price and if i am ordering anything else during that time

o and strat always makes me question my knowledge...i think i am doing alright, he posts, then i have to think real hard about what he just said :lol:

 

[strategicmove]

That is because Strategic's post was in German...

Yep! Read backwards!

 

[dg806]

Let's try the following:

Vitamin K has two broad forms, K1 and K2. K1 is the standard form, whereas K2 is the more advanced form. Vitamin K2 is also referred to as menaquinones. The two main forms of K2 (menaquinones) are menaquinone-2 and menaquinone-7. As it turns out, menaquinones are known to be significantly more potent than standard K1. In particular, menaquinones are up to ten times better absorbed than K1, last considerably longer in our system (up to 72 hours, compared to about 8 hours for K1), and are consequently dramatically more bioactive.
In a properly functioning metabolic environment, only minuscule amounts of calcium should be in the blood stream, because calcium should preferably be bound to bones. If, due to some dysfunction, calcium begins to circulate in our blood, this eventually leads to the accumulation of layers of calcium deposits in the arterial walls, a process known as calcification. Furthermore, if calcium circulates in the blood, and does not sufficiently bind to bones, bone structure and density are compromised (weakened). Osteoporosis may develop as a consequence. These outcomes also suggest that calcium-regulating proteins do not function properly. In any case, the calcification deprives the arteries of their flexibility and elasticity, such that a variety of cardiovascular conditions, including high blood pressure, arteriosclerosis, and so on may develop, not to mention the likelihood of osteroporosis. But because menaquinones are particularly effective at directing calcium from the blood to the bones, and because Vitamin K is necessary for the proper functioning of calcium-regulating proteins, a sufficient intake of vitamin K, especially the more biocative forms, menaquinones, may eventually eliminate circulating blood calcium, direct this calcium to bones, and support the proper functioning of calcium-regulating proteins. This will improve cardiovascular functioning as well as bone health.

I hope this is clearer.

By the way, for the purposes of completeness, the tocopherols I mentioned earlier certainly include the other forms such as gamma and delta. Similarly, the tocotrienols should include the entire complex: alpha, beta, gamma, and delta tocotrienols.

Great post Ike!

 

[DreamWeaver]

Looks interesting yes, I'll follow along with some of the logs. I feel I have a lot of this covered with AP and pslin but will be interesting to see how it compares, and how synergistic the ingredients are.

 

[bkprice]

K2/D3/B12 should be staples for everyone.

 

[subweevil]

I'll run a log on this stuff, that's the least I can do. Perfect timing, as I'm getting ready to cut some pudge here next week. Eagerly awaiting it!!

 

[Loki003]

You posted all of that from an Iphone damn

Hahaha i thought the same thing, but still lots of good info in there.

 

[bolt10]

is the pre-sale price a special or is that what we can expect it to be around at nutra(give or take a lil)?

 

[Steveoph]

I'm always refining my system to try and consolidate my supp regimen, but it's kinda my job though Oz, to take vitamins all the time. I'm constantly alpha testing something, ya know?

I feel the same way lol. My goal is to try as many of the products NutraPlanet carries, so that I can give my personal feedback on them all. It's a tough job, but someone has to do it :lol:

 

[DR.D]

I feel the same way lol. My goal is to try as many of the products NutraPlanet carries, so that I can give my personal feedback on them all. It's a tough job, but someone has to do it :lol:

I know, right. Ain't it awful?

But hey, you gotta know what you're talking about right. If you have no personal experience with a supp, why should anybody listen to you? I agree 100%.

I commend you Steve, for going the extra mile! Maybe you could make an inventory of every supp at NP, then start scratching them off the list til you reach the end, lol. That would make a cool thread, Steve's supp marathon!

 

[Andy G]

Yeah, a multi could cover a lot of bases. I guess about 5-6 years ago, my routine bloodwork kept coming out real high for iron, so I quit taking a multi because they usually have about 18-25mg, a sizable amount. My iron went down so I never started taking a multi again. I had to pick up the slack with everything separate, so that added an extra 7+ pills a day.

Tea is a strong anti-ox, with lots of health benefits, but I'm reading too much crap about it lowering LH levels and stuff. I take it but not as much as most users do, just a pinch. I take a few high ORAC herb and berry extracts, plus extra Vit.C and extra Vit.E EOD, a few others at times. Now it looks like I'm gonna have to give this menaquinone-7 a try, the one allstar mentioned.

I'm always refining my system to try and consolidate my supp regimen, but it's kinda my job though Oz, to take vitamins all the time. I'm constantly alpha testing something, ya know?

I switch around with Centrum Silver, it's not just for 'older folks'. It's solid becaue it contains no iron. This was recommended to me awhile ago.

 

[DR.D]

I switch around with Centrum Silver, it's not just for 'older folks'. It's solid becaue it contains no iron. This was recommended to me awhile ago.

Thanks, Andy! I just googled it. That is a pretty solid looking formula, not too much copper either and some good trace minerals as well.

(I'm older than you actually, lol, and I do have about a dozen silvers showing)

 

[Andy G]

Thanks, Andy! I just googled it. That is a pretty solid looking formula, not too much copper either and some good trace minerals as well.

(I'm older than you actually, lol, and I do have about a dozen silvers showing)

That's funny, I've got some silvers too, but I shave my head, so they disappear. My wife tried to make fun of me when I came home with the Centrum Silvers, and I told her old frail people can't bench 325 so step off.:bandit:

 

[dg806]

Thanks, Andy! I just googled it. That is a pretty solid looking formula, not too much copper either and some good trace minerals as well.

(I'm older than you actually, lol, and I do have about a dozen silvers showing)

Now Adam from nutra is a good formula (no iron) and cheap.
http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/now-foods/adam-90-vcaps.html

 

[Andy G]

Yea, that looks great. Even better. I'm sold. Thanks for sharing that!

 

[subweevil]

That's funny, I've got some silvers too, but I shave my head, so they disappear.

Hehe, nice!! Ya beat me to it!!

 

[DR.D]

That's funny, I've got some silvers too, but I shave my head, so they disappear. My wife tried to make fun of me when I came home with the Centrum Silvers, and I told her old frail people can't bench 325 so step off.:bandit:

:toofunny:
I hear that! I also say to my wife, 'Look woman, it's obviously these crazy kids of yours that gave me silvers in my hair, it just creates the illusion that I'm older, lol.'

Kids = Premature aging

 

[DR.D]

Now Adam from nutra is a good formula (no iron) and cheap.
http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/now-foods/adam-90-vcaps.html

I got some of that. It's a good one too. The only thing I don't like is the Saw Palmetto in it. I've used Adam and never noticed any problems though, so it's probably not enough SP to hurt anything.

 

[dg806]

I got some of that. It's a good one too. The only thing I don't like is the Saw Palmetto in it. I've used Adam and never noticed any problems though, so it's probably not enough SP to hurt anything.

To hurt as in interfere with?

 

[stxnas]

• 
  [*]Name is Glycobol
  [*]4 pills per day
  [*]Price approx $41.99
  [*]Capsules were custom made by Pfizer to match the label
  [*]Presale will start at NutraPlanet.com by Thursday April 2nd
  

PRESALE will include for FREE

*** $12.99 Value Anabolic Innovations T-shirt

*** $9.99 Value 1 week worth of STOKED!

Those free items are ONLY during presale which will last 10 days

Any other questions?

The bottle turned out pretty nicely, IMO!

What was it about the colors that required Pfizer to make the capsules?

 

[dg806]

Awesome! And free t shirt and Stoked=even more awesome.

 

[nycste]

I got some of that. It's a good one too. The only thing I don't like is the Saw Palmetto in it. I've used Adam and never noticed any problems though, so it's probably not enough SP to hurt anything.

hate to hijack but whats wrong with SP, i just looked it up and seems decent enuff to not interfere with anything and even help mens prostate?

 

[EasyEJL]

hate to hijack but whats wrong with SP, i just looked it up and seems decent enuff to not interfere with anything and even help mens prostate?

Can bind with androgen receptor, and lower gains from androgens

 

[Steveoph]

Can bind with androgen receptor, and lower gains from androgens

This was heavily discussed re: Saw Palmetto and The One being not great playmates just recently as I recall

We will keep you guys updated about Glycobol + the special at NP. Look for a thread at a planet near you soon

 

[EasyEJL]

This was heavily discussed re: Saw Palmetto and The One being not great playmates just recently as I recall

We will keep you guys updated about Glycobol + the special at NP. Look for a thread at a planet near you soon

Yeah, it seems that with many compounds the effect isn't so significant (this could be a Type I vs Type II androgen thing), but with The ONE it is.

 

[DR.D]

hate to hijack but whats wrong with SP, i just looked it up and seems decent enuff to not interfere with anything and even help mens prostate?

I tried to use 640-960mg of a 90% stdz extract one time, and my nips definitely started to get sore after about a week. Not cool. I rechallenged it again another time after that at 320mg, and it seemed to take the bang outta my wang, if you know what I might be sayin. F that man, I gotta run my house propa. I take nettle extract and b-sitos (MFX) to cover my prostate health, and it has just the opposite effect.

 

[giantbrandon]

would this product have any life extention/anti aging properties as it efects insulin

 

[PrepNwa23]

Just got done with a big cut looks like i'll wait a little longer to get my nutraplanet order in to get a bottle of this.

 

[strategicmove]

I tried to use 640-960mg of a 90% stdz extract one time, and my nips definitely started to get sore after about a week. Not cool. I rechallenged it again another time after that at 320mg, and it seemed to take the bang outta my wang, if you know what I might be sayin. F that man, I gotta run my house propa. I take nettle extract and b-sitos (MFX) to cover my prostate health, and it has just the opposite effect.

"I gotta run my house propa" was good! :biglaugh:
640mg daily was certainly on the high side, in the absence of BPH. 320mg daily of Saw Palmetto standardized to about 85% (=272mg) free fatty acids and sterols should be fine for most users. Beta sitosterols (from Pygeum), like Saw Palmetto, are 5-alpha-reductase inhibitors, and so are complementary to Saw Palmetto. Boron (3mg daily) is another compound that supports prostate health. From time to time, I use Saw Plametto, Pygeum (beta sitosterols), Boron, and an antioxidant (to modulate inflammatory conditions in the prostate gland), together for prostate health support.

 

[DR.D]

would this product have any life extention/anti aging properties as it efects insulin

Not per say, but it's got some high potency anti-oxidants in it for sure, plus the improvement in lipids and lower blood glucose can't hurt at all. High glucose levels are the real culprit in diabetes related disease. Refined sugar might be the number 1 killer in America, but of course you'll never see candy being banned from 8 year olds. They'd form a military style special interest lobby and invade Washington! j/k

So yeah, it should definitely be "healthy" in general, healing and extending.

 

[DR.D]

... Boron (3mg daily) is another compound that supports prostate health. From time to time, I use Saw Plametto, Pygeum (beta sitosterols), Boron, and an antioxidant (to modulate inflammatory conditions in the prostate gland), together for prostate health support. ...

Agreed. The sterols don't seem to bother me, I figured it was the fatty acids. I have had buddies who took Propecia 5mg for 6 months straight, didn't phase their libido in the slightest they said, made there personality more mellow too. I guess I need all the DHT I can get though. You know Strat, I gotta take care of beez-wax with the ladies (well, technically just the lady, singular.) And I use 3mg of Boron 2-3x/wk also, so I feel ya on that one.

 

[RenegadeRows]

That's happened to me before too! All the Stability and QC analysts went out to eat lunch together one day, and this relatively new guy saw me take out my lunch time vitamins (probably 20-25 various caps and tablets) and take 'em all with just a swig of tea. He freaked out big time! He said 'Man, why did you do that, just relax it's gonna be ok, I'll go get help for you!' Everybody else knew I took a handful of vitamins at lunch, but it was very hard to convince him that I was going to be ok. He didn't see how anybody could take so many colorful caps and still survive, even if they were just vitamins, lol. That was a classic. So I can relate, Sinon.

That story made my day lol

 

[Steveoph]

I tried to use 640-960mg of a 90% stdz extract one time, and my nips definitely started to get sore after about a week. Not cool. I rechallenged it again another time after that at 320mg, and it seemed to take the bang outta my wang, if you know what I might be sayin. F that man, I gotta run my house propa. I take nettle extract and b-sitos (MFX) to cover my prostate health, and it has just the opposite effect.

The side effect of becoming a ballin' rhymer was unintended I assume? :lol:

 

[CROWLER]

The bottle turned out pretty nicely, IMO!

What was it about the colors that required Pfizer to make the capsules?

They don't make the white cap black bottom capsules so they have to be made special.

 

[natty texan]

That's happened to me before too! All the Stability and QC analysts went out to eat lunch together one day, and this relatively new guy saw me take out my lunch time vitamins (probably 20-25 various caps and tablets) and take 'em all with just a swig of tea. He freaked out big time! He said 'Man, why did you do that, just relax it's gonna be ok, I'll go get help for you!' Everybody else knew I took a handful of vitamins at lunch, but it was very hard to convince him that I was going to be ok. He didn't see how anybody could take so many colorful caps and still survive, even if they were just vitamins, lol. That was a classic. So I can relate, Sinon.

ahaahahahaha

I have similar things when i take my pak, flex, and uniliver at the same time...

especially when i'm at work...I'll pop a total of maybe 100 caps during the day of assorted vitamins...the other day my boss took me back in his office and proceeded to give me a talk about steroids :18:

so the next day i packed up every supplement bottle i had, unloaded them all on my desk, and took each one as it was time...:burnout:

 

[EasyEJL]

They don't make the white cap black bottom capsules so they have to be made special.

so when did you say you were shipping me a bottle?

 

[FlawedGrunt]

ahaahahahaha

I have similar things when i take my pak, flex, and uniliver at the same time...

especially when i'm at work...I'll pop a total of maybe 100 caps during the day of assorted vitamins...the other day my boss took me back in his office and proceeded to give me a talk about steroids :18:

so the next day i packed up every supplement bottle i had, unloaded them all on my desk, and took each one as it was time...:burnout:

whoooooa 100?! I started a post awhile back about how many pills people take a day i thought my 20-40 was bad... let me see if i can find it

 

[CROWLER]

so when did you say you were shipping me a bottle?

I said it ships out when we receive the tracking # on the bottle of The One you sent to us :scared: lol

 

[Cool]

whats also nice is that nothing is super super exotic, so it also shouldn't be crazy priced.

hmmm....

 

[Ubiyca]

How exactly is this supposed to be dosed?

 

[DR.D]

The side effect of becoming a ballin' rhymer was unintended I assume? :lol:

Haha, it was my best SNL The Ladies Man impersonation. I know, you don't have to say it.... I'll keep practicing.

 

[DR.D]

ahaahahahaha

I have similar things when i take my pak, flex, and uniliver at the same time...

especially when i'm at work...I'll pop a total of maybe 100 caps during the day of assorted vitamins...the other day my boss took me back in his office and proceeded to give me a talk about steroids :18:

so the next day i packed up every supplement bottle i had, unloaded them all on my desk, and took each one as it was time...:burnout:

LOL, that's too funny! Oh man, I can visualize that scene, natty.

I guess if somebody that wasn't into vitamins saw that, it would seem strange. Like you, I pointed out what each vitamin was to anybody who asked like my boss, or my friends. By the time I had explained things to most people, I didn't look like a pill freak anymore, they were feeling dump for not taking them too this whole time! I've been popping a handful of vitamins since I was 22, wish I would have started earlier. It's like health insurance the way I see it, actually one step ahead of insurance. More like prevention.

 

[dg806]

I said it ships out when we receive the tracking # on the bottle of The One you sent to us :scared: lol

LMAO!

 

[Trauma1]

• 
  [*]Name is Glycobol
  [*]4 pills per day
  [*]Price approx $41.99
  [*]Capsules were custom made by Pfizer to match the label
  [*]Presale will start at NutraPlanet.com by Thursday April 2nd
  

PRESALE will include for FREE

*** $12.99 Value Anabolic Innovations T-shirt

*** $9.99 Value 1 week worth of STOKED!

Those free items are ONLY during presale which will last 10 days

Any other questions?

Very nice, Mike!

I'll be all over this bad boy, haha!

 

[chainsaw]

I tried to use 640-960mg of a 90% stdz extract one time, and my nips definitely started to get sore after about a week. Not cool. I rechallenged it again another time after that at 320mg, and it seemed to take the bang outta my wang, if you know what I might be sayin. F that man, I gotta run my house propa. I take nettle extract and b-sitos (MFX) to cover my prostate health, and it has just the opposite effect.

What are your feelings on AlphaStat (Mytosterone) is SP plus Astaxanthin?