Noob looking for some info

[cmp007]

Just trying to find somewhere that explains the difference in all the injectables i.e. deca, test, winstrol, and the others and what thier geared more towards.

 

[tnick7]

Just trying to find somewhere that explains the difference in all the injectables i.e. deca, test, winstrol, and the others and what thier geared more towards.

Ok well I dont know any threads that will help but hopefully this will:

- Test is your building block for all cycles. No cycle should be run without test. Test can be run by itself or can be run with other compounds.
-Deca is more geared towards a bulk (mass and strength)
-Winstrol is more geared towards a cut (maintain strength, harden you up)

 

[cmp007]

What about sustanol and equipoise? My buddy was going to o a cycle of equipoise and ive been thinking of trying my first one and just seeing the difference in all of them

 

[tnick7]

What about sustanol and equipoise? My buddy was going to o a cycle of equipoise and ive been thinking of trying my first one and just seeing the difference in all of them

Sustanol is a testosterone. It is a blend of long and short esters.

Equipose is relatively mild and should be run alongside test. I dont know much about EQ so I will stop there

EDIT: You should research for a lengthy period of time before you begin steroid use. I researched SOLIDLY for around 8 months before I did. Make sure you understand the compounds to an extent, understand possible side effects and how to combat them, understand Post Cycle Therapy (PCT) and necessary support supplement. Dont jump in to soon.

This board has a lot of good stuff and knowledgeable guys on here so research

 

[cmp007]

Sustanol is a testosterone. It is a blend of long and short esters.

Equipose is relatively mild and should be run alongside test. I dont know much about EQ so I will stop there

EDIT: You should research for a lengthy period of time before you begin steroid use. I researched SOLIDLY for around 8 months before I did. Make sure you understand the compounds to an extent, understand possible side effects and how to combat them, understand Post Cycle Therapy (PCT) and necessary support supplement. Dont jump in to soon.

This board has a lot of good stuff and knowledgeable guys on here so research

Oh for sure man. I dont plan on anything anytime soon. Ive done EPI and researched it for months before I finally did it. Not to new to everything just never read into injectables much

 

[holyintellect]

Listen, if you want a good book that will describe every single compound out there, pick up a copy of Anabolics 2007 or 2008...It is expensive, but it would be worth it for you...

Now, this thread really isnt the appropriate place to debate this, but test DOES NOT need to be in every cycle, nor should it be really....as a matter of fact, for a beginner, it would probably be wise to even stay away from it and just stick with an anabolic instead of an androgen....Equipose is a very mild anabolic and Ive ran it alone many times, and always loved it...the gains will not be anything at all like a test cycle would be, but it has its place...the same can be said of a host of other chemicals...

holy

 

[holyintellect]

Oh, and as far as deca goes, I have a host of clients who run it ONLY because they feel they benefit from its superb recovery properties...

holy

 

[cmp007]

My main concern is keeping the gains after PCT is over. I know you have to eat a **** ton and do the right stuff but I want to make sure I keep most of the gains I work for.

 

[nosnmiveins]

Oh, and as far as deca goes, I have a host of clients who run it ONLY because they feel they benefit from its superb recovery properties...

holy

u might be well experienced, but any cycle (oral or inject) without test is stupid as fuk

...they all have the potential of natural test shut down and ur not introducing any synthetic test which will leave u without being able to "perform in the bedroom"

 

[tnick7]

Listen, if you want a good book that will describe every single compound out there, pick up a copy of Anabolics 2007 or 2008...It is expensive, but it would be worth it for you...

Now, this thread really isnt the appropriate place to debate this, but test DOES NOT need to be in every cycle, nor should it be really....as a matter of fact, for a beginner, it would probably be wise to even stay away from it and just stick with an anabolic instead of an androgen....Equipose is a very mild anabolic and Ive ran it alone many times, and always loved it...the gains will not be anything at all like a test cycle would be, but it has its place...the same can be said of a host of other chemicals...

holy

Fair enough....

I was thinking along the similar lines as nosinmveins.

Surely running deca without test is asking for "deca ****"?

I wouldn't want to also feel crappy for a 6-12 week period on cycle because I left out test.

 

[holyintellect]

u might be well experienced, but any cycle (oral or inject) without test is stupid as fuk

...they all have the potential of natural test shut down and ur not introducing any synthetic test which will leave u without being able to "perform in the bedroom"

Stupid as fuk, eh? Well, lots of people actually pay and respect me for my stupid as fuk chemical advice....you are correct that you very well may experience a definite drop in libido, but thats EXACTLY why viagra and cialis are on every single price list you will get from a black market dealer...Also, I encourage you to try to get a drug tested professional athlete to run testosterone because even the dumbest ones know they cant...not to mention the bodybuilders who like to prep minus an androgen.....the list goes on and on....

holy

 

[holyintellect]

Fair enough....

I was thinking along the similar lines as nosinmveins.

Surely running deca without test is asking for "deca ****"?

I wouldn't want to also feel crappy for a 6-12 week period on cycle because I left out test.

I actually know a Doctor here who did a single cycle of deca alone, and still has problems....Im not saying its the only way to go, but there are certainly lots of reasons not to run test...as far as feeling like crap, there are lots of things you can run and still feel good...EQ is one of them...of course, the results are all going to pale compared to running it alongside a test product...

holy

 

[tnick7]

I actually know a Doctor here who did a single cycle of deca alone, and still has problems....Im not saying its the only way to go, but there are certainly lots of reasons not to run test...as far as feeling like crap, there are lots of things you can run and still feel good...EQ is one of them...of course, the results are all going to pale compared to running it alongside a test product...

holy

Ok, fair enough, especially with an drug-tested athlete. But for your average joe using steroids I see no reason not to run some test as a base, even at a low dose like 250mg/week. But I'm far from a steroid guru so I wont disagree with you, as the long story short is I dont know that much

 

[cmp007]

For my first cycle I dont was looking to keep it simple and not stack things. What would be the route to go? And with the deca my buddy is doing a big cycle right now and the **** hes told me he has no libido what so ever. So from his experience I will stay away from that anyways.

 

[tnick7]

For my first cycle I dont was looking to keep it simple and not stack things. What would be the route to go? And with the deca my buddy is doing a big cycle right now and the **** hes told me he has no libido what so ever. So from his experience I will stay away from that anyways.

IMO:

Test Enanthate around 500mg/week (pin 250mg on Monday and Thursday). If your less than say 200lbs I would start even lower on test (250-500mg/week range).

Run that for 10-12 weeks alone. That is plenty, simple, and will provide great gains. You could look into having a low dow AI on cycle to reduce the bloat, and off course a SERM for PCT and your set.

 

[Rabidpanda25]

Sure you can run a cycle without test, but you could also take a dump without pulling down your pants. It's possible, but why would you reccommend it? Even a small dose of test mixed with any cycle can have a profound positive impact on reducing sides, and overall well being and libido. And as far as using viagra or cialis in lieu of using testosterone... sure you can get the blood down there, and inflate the balloon. But all you re going to have is an erect piece of flesh without much sensation. You could probably get as much satisfaction by sucking on your finger after you re completely shut down.

And for the OP, there is a plethora of information all over the internet on what you re looking for. Start off by doing a search for steroids in general, then start searching down the list of specific chemicals for more specific information.

 

[holyintellect]

IMO:

Test Enanthate around 500mg/week (pin 250mg on Monday and Thursday). If your less than say 200lbs I would start even lower on test (250-500mg/week range).

Run that for 10-12 weeks alone. That is plenty, simple, and will provide great gains. You could look into having a low dow AI on cycle to reduce the bloat, and off course a SERM for PCT and your set.

This looks great.....

holy

 

[holyintellect]

Sure you can run a cycle without test, but you could also take a dump without pulling down your pants. It's possible, but why would you reccommend it? Even a small dose of test mixed with any cycle can have a profound positive impact on reducing sides, and overall well being and libido. And as far as using viagra or cialis in lieu of using testosterone... sure you can get the blood down there, and inflate the balloon. But all you re going to have is an erect piece of flesh without much sensation. You could probably get as much satisfaction by sucking on your finger after you re completely shut down.

And for the OP, there is a plethora of information all over the internet on what you re looking for. Start off by doing a search for steroids in general, then start searching down the list of specific chemicals for more specific information.

Im not trying to be argumentative here, but....this is a real world cycle that was used by a Ky State winner...EQ/Winny/Proviron....I also trained an ex UFC guy from Colorado that loved to run tren/primo....

holy

 

[cmp007]

Trying the test for 12 weeks if I eat right will it help me lose a good % of BF also with bulking? I have like 2-3% in my midsection I cant get rid of and id like to cut that off if I do a cycle also while I bulk up some

 

[tnick7]

Trying the test for 12 weeks if I eat right will it help me lose a good % of BF also with bulking? I have like 2-3% in my midsection I cant get rid of and id like to cut that off if I do a cycle also while I bulk up some

TBH, if its a worry fot you I would advise you cut down first. You want your first Test cycle do definitely be on a bulk. Also if you dont have an AI on cycle there is a chance of bloat

 

[cmp007]

Yea I was going to have an AI also to prevent that. My buddy that has been on deca for a while now has not been eating much and he has got super lean. So I was shooting for that if I could while on cycle. Hes also bulked up a good bit.

 

[Indiana Jones]

IMO:

Test Enanthate around 500mg/week (pin 250mg on Monday and Thursday). If your less than say 200lbs I would start even lower on test (250-500mg/week range).

Run that for 10-12 weeks alone. That is plenty, simple, and will provide great gains. You could look into having a low dow AI on cycle to reduce the bloat, and off course a SERM for PCT and your set.

I heard that bodyweight has nothing to do with dosage. Naturally though some 260lbs monster is going to need more than some 175lbs newb because the monster has been using for a much longer time

 

[Nightwanderer]

IMO:

Test Enanthate around 500mg/week (pin 250mg on Monday and Thursday). If your less than say 200lbs I would start even lower on test (250-500mg/week range).

Run that for 10-12 weeks alone. That is plenty, simple, and will provide great gains.

I can personally testify to this, in my last week of a 10 week test enan cycle at 420mg/wk and I'm very happy with what i've gained,
and i'm glad I went under 500mg/wk and didn't bother adding in other AAS's that at this point seems unnecessary. I will say having an AI on hand for bloat would be a very wise decision, as I chose to do without and water retention was outright horrible for me, I'm honestly glad to be coming off this week because of it.