3-AD; Hank's do over thread.

[grila jujitsu]

Day 13: (and it's on a friday:twisted

chest and tris.
workout was radical. - why don't we use that word anymore? i'm on a mission to bring the word 'rad' back! lol.
set a personal record on my bench - 245lb x 8reps
- compared to pre-cycle i was pushing 225 x 8

other notable things to mention:
- i love how the gym isn't crowded on friday afternoons.
- there was a weird looking person working out who was either a man trying to look like a woman or it was a woman trying to look like a man. i was almost cruious enough to ask it what sex it was.
- a girl was throwng some 5lb weights around so hard and fast i thought her arms were going to completly fly off!!! i had to turn away because my shoulders started to hurt just watching.

some more 80s terms to describe how i'm feeling on 3-ad:
shiz nits, giddy-up, sick!, b!tchin', stoked, cold lampin', and of course - totally radical!

i'll give a more detailed update with measurements and summary this weekend as it will be my 2weeks mark!

sorry for the late entry, but.... cowa bunga!

thank you teenage mutin ninja turtles!

 

[Hank Vangut]

should have my test results back in a few weeks.
it is just a general health screening checking the following -

MUSCLE & BONE
Magnesium, Calcium, Phosphate, Alkaline
Phosphatase
THYROID
TSH
GOUT
Uric Acid

PANCREAS
Glucose (Diabetes)

HEART FUNCTION
Cholesterol, Triglyceride, HDL, LDL,
Coronary Risk

LIVER & KIDNEY
ALT, AST, GGTP, Bilirubin, BUN, Creatinine,
Albumin, Alkaline Phosphatase

BLOOD
Iron, IBC, Transferrin

PROSTATE
PSA

ELECTROLYTES
Sodium, Potassium, Chloride

 

[t3stxlr4titud]

I should be start my PCT by next week. Hopefully, because my nipples are getting tender.

-TF

 

[Hank Vangut]

you don't need pct.
you just need to stop wearing those nipple clamps w/your bondage friends.

 

[Kevf]

Late response. But that's an awesome result for 3 weeks!

 

[Hank Vangut]

alright.....got the blood work back. blood was drawn a day after completion of a 3 week 3-ad run.

i don't have a perfect comparrison as the last blood test i had done was last year at this time. i was approx 10lbs lighter at that time and was only taking basic supps.



Description (normal range)......resulst from last yr...........results from this yr

Total cholesterol...................101............116
LDL (less than 100).................61.............83
HDL (greater than 40).............38(L).........33(L)
Triglycerides(40-160)..............88.............135
Glucose (65-99).....................69.............71
BUN (7-25)...........................31(H)..........20
Creatine (.7-1.4).................2.2(H).........1.3
Sodium (135-146).................141............139
Potassium (3.5-5.3)...............4.1............3.6
Protien Total(5.9-8.1)............7.7............8.2(H)
Albumin(3.9-4.9)...................4.5............4.5
AST(3.0-37)........................36.0............47(H)
ALT(3-37)..........................28...............57.0(H)
LDH(255-606).....................505..............515
ALK Phos(42-144)................55...............130
Cloride (99-110)..................109..............107
CO2(19-30)........................28...............27
Calcium (8.6-11.2)..............10.0.............11.1
WBC(4.8-10.8)...................5.2...............6.4
RBC(4.7-6.1).....................5.43..............6.29(H)
HGB(14-18).......................16.5.............16.6

Additionally, blood pressure immediatly following the cycle was higher than usual for me immediately following the cycle. Tested at 146/88 when i'm usually at 115/78.
Likely a result of the increased RBC.

my good cholesterol is low. it was low before but even lower now. doc said not to worry since my total and LDS is so low.

Triglycerides and Alkaline Phosphatase increased but still within normal range. Shows that my liver was probably working a little harder on this even though it is unmethylated.

AST & ALT are high but unconcerned since it is common for people who train hard to have higher levels due to muscle damage and repair.

my creatine and BUN registered high last yr but normal this yr. i'd have to atribute this to not taking creatine during this 3-ad run.

protein total was just slightly high but in line with what typically comes with increased testosterone levels.


considering i took blood one day following my cycle i was expecting much more elevated levels in some areas. this is just my interperation of these results. if you have input on this, please share. based on these results, i'd say that 3-ad didn't appear to cause any significant stress.

 

[EasyEJL]

damn your cholesterol is low

 

[Hank Vangut]

damn your cholesterol is low

yeah, it is low. isn't yours around the same level though?

it's surprising to me actually considering i eat 6 eggs/day, red meat, and lots of cheese.
i do take a couple of fish oil caps every day and overall my diet is super-duper healthy.

 

[EasyEJL]

yeah, last time I checked mine was in the 120s. i'm due for my annuals, just seem to not quite have made it in for em still

 

[joeymutz]

what are your test levels, estrogen, thyroid levels, fsh, lsh, etc....all of that good stuff?

 

[Hank Vangut]

what are your test levels, estrogen, thyroid levels, fsh, lsh, etc....all of that good stuff?

i only got a basic health screening that covered blood count, metabolic pannel, lipid profile, and enzymes.
so i don't have any of the hormonal measures.

 

[crader]

Looks like you survived the 3AD:rofl:

 

[Hank Vangut]

Looks like you survived the 3AD:rofl:

yeah, still alive and kicking. lol.

i probably should give an update on how pct went.
overall it was a total breeze.
my libidio is weaker but seems to be picking back up a little recently.
FOG was explaining how we may experience some withdrawl symptoms once we stopped 3-ad due to the Picamilon (GABA bonded to a Niacin molecule) in it. i did feel a little down for the first 3 days following my cycle but then it faded.
felt great the remainder of pct.
lost only 1lb so my current weight stands at 185lbs. still up +5lbs from the start.
and amazingly my measurements have continued to improve. arms are now 16.5" and waist has dropped to 31.5"!!!
my muscle definition is even improved since i finished the cycle. i believe there was some water weight that left. but i haven't dropped calories....still eating a lot of clean food.

 

[OCCFan023]

Whats on tap for the future? Going completely natural while you have your down period or are you going to try out any natty products? Also have any idea what you may want to do in the future regarding stacks and such (doesn't necessarily have to include 3-ad, just curious what ya were thinking)?

 

[Hank Vangut]

Whats on tap for the future? Going completely natural while you have your down period or are you going to try out any natty products? Also have any idea what you may want to do in the future regarding stacks and such (doesn't necessarily have to include 3-ad, just curious what ya were thinking)?

i probably won't run another cycle until next winter.
just going to stick w/the basics. plus i have a box full of supps that i need to try and get through.

going to try and hold my current weight for the next month.
i'm currently using Applied IGF-2, USP p-slin and ap.

following that i'm thinking of a slow and gradual cut. maybe dropping 5-10lbs over 4 months.
i've got some leviathan around for that.
i love looking ripped more than anything.
there are plenty of huge guys around but ripped guys are rare!

 

[SilentBob187]

How are you dosing p-slin and AP?

 

[OCCFan023]

i probably won't run another cycle until next winter.
just going to stick w/the basics. plus i have a box full of supps that i need to try and get through.

going to try and hold my current weight for the next month.
i'm currently using Applied IGF-2, USP p-slin and ap.

following that i'm thinking of a slow and gradual cut. maybe dropping 5-10lbs over 4 months.
i've got some leviathan around for that.
i love looking ripped more than anything.
there are plenty of huge guys around but ripped guys are rare!

I hear that man. I am in the same boat as far as wanting the ripped with size look (as opposed to just general mass). All I need now is more mass lol (only time 6'4 becomes a biatch). I assume you dropping that weight would be relatively efficent though as you have probably experimented enough to know what will give you the results (ie what diet/training split to use). I only recently found my ultimate sweet spot so I am pretty pumped.

I also hear you on the supp box having to be used (got a nasty USP stack planned in another month). I use a shoe box though :lol:. This your first time with AP/Slin or you familiar with them?

 

[Hank Vangut]

How are you dosing p-slin and AP?

i'm a pslin/ap newb.
i don't really have a real solid dosing schedule.
so far i've only been taking them on carb loading days or meals. so it's kind of sporadic.
do you guys think i would be better off to take daily?

All I need now is more mass lol (only time 6'4 becomes a biatch). I assume you dropping that weight would be relatively efficent though as you have probably experimented enough to know what will give you the results (ie what diet/training split to use). I only recently found my ultimate sweet spot so I am pretty pumped.

i'm sure 6'4 does take some serious mass to fill out.

even though i've had success in the past with certain diets and supps, i still like to try a slightly different approach each time.
i find it fun to experiment and try different things to see if results are better.

 

[SilentBob187]

i'm a pslin/ap newb.
i don't really have a real solid dosing schedule.
so far i've only been taking them on carb loading days or meals. so it's kind of sporadic.
do you guys think i would be better off to take daily?

Well I'd say take AP with any meal where you know you'll be getting more than 50 carbs.

I haven't used p-slin myself, but I've heard that it works great preworkout with 60-100g carbs.

I forget who it was, but they were saying p-slin pre and AP post.

Either way I'm not sure what to tell you man. You're talking about carb loading days/meals so no point in wasting the products on days you're not eating carbs.

 

[OCCFan023]

From what I understand AP does have some cumulative effects over time but its not all that detrimental to utilize it with carb ups/on a semi-regular basis.

Hank I suggest you try Mullet and J's recommendation for a cool pre/intra dosing scheme with AP and P-Slin (from what I hear its insane for recovery during and pumps are great ~ I will be giving it a try in a little bit.)

Essentially what you do is dose AP before your pre workout meal (and just make it what ever you typically like to do as long as it suites AP which I am sure you do anyway.) Then when you are driving to the gym or about 15 minutes before you begin lifting take a dose of P-Slin. Then when you start lifting sip on a "cocktail" of dex (I'm going to use powdered Gatorade, but you could get some nutra or even use WMS or something but dex is solid), mono, leucine, and anything else you would see fit/like to use intra workout. It is suppose to be very effective and a cool way to toy with dosing schemes.

 

[TripDog]

damn your cholesterol is low

He eats nothing but sticks and leaves. :ntome:

 

[Hank Vangut]

He eats nothing but sticks and leaves. :ntome:

i figured eating sticks and leaves is better than eating twigs and berries.

 

[SilentBob187]

i figured eating sticks and leaves is better than eating twigs and berries.

 

[metroba]

I hear that man. I am in the same boat as far as wanting the ripped with size look (as opposed to just general mass). All I need now is more mass lol (only time 6'4 becomes a biatch). I assume you dropping that weight would be relatively efficent though as you have probably experimented enough to know what will give you the results (ie what diet/training split to use). I only recently found my ultimate sweet spot so I am pretty pumped.

I also hear you on the supp box having to be used (got a nasty USP stack planned in another month). I use a shoe box though :lol:. This your first time with AP/Slin or you familiar with them?

I use a storage facility to store my "not used yet" supps.

Hank, thanks for the updates!

 

[Zombie]

Hi Mr Hanky

 

[Kevf]

What would be a good 'pct-program' (including the dosages) to add?

 

[Hank Vangut]

Hi Mr Hanky

hi mr zombie. :wave:

 

[Hank Vangut]

What would be a good 'pct-program' (including the dosages) to add?

kevf, i'd recemmend searching through the pct secion of this forum: Post Cycle Therapy

there is lots of good info in there!

also, check out sinner's thread: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/post-cycle-therapy/66113-no-excuses-no.html

then if you still have specific questions that you are unable to find answers to i suggest you open your own thread in the pct section. there a lot of very smart and helpful people around to help.

 

[Kevf]

kevf, i'd recemmend searching through the pct secion of this forum: Post Cycle Therapy

there is lots of good info in there!

also, check out sinner's thread: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/post-cycle-therapy/66113-no-excuses-no.html

then if you still have specific questions that you are unable to find answers to i suggest you open your own thread in the pct section. there a lot of very smart and helpful people around to help.

tnx for the reply. Suppose I was a bit lazy. Srry

 

[Hank Vangut]

tnx for the reply. Suppose I was a bit lazy. Srry

no worries.
pct is really a personal preference kind of thing, so i wouldn't feel right about just recommending things.
you should really get familiar with all the different products and understand how they work and sides they bring.
then choose the pct that you personally are most comfortable with.

 

[SilentBob187]

So when are you gonna start a new log Hank?

"Hank's Anabolic Pumps have never (p)Slin so good"?

Or is the party just gonna keep on keeping on in here?

 

[Hank Vangut]

So when are you gonna start a new log Hank?

"Hank's Anabolic Pumps have never (p)Slin so good"?

Or is the party just gonna keep on keeping on in here?

no new logs planned at the moment.
going to take a break for a bit and focus my time on terrorizing other loggers.
that reminds me.....i need to pay a visit to the "SilentBob's *insert witty, topical, punny remark here* Workout Log"

 

[Hank Vangut]

feedback on the blood test results from the 3-ad formulator himself!

I think its very good. The protein could be high because you are consuming more protein, breaking down more protein, lifting higher weights in the gym etc. That could increase the levels of ASt and ALT, which is why GGT is always good to get as well. It shows less effects of daily workouts and protein intake. Cholesterol change would be common with any similar supplement, your levels didnt change dramatically so it wouldnt be a huge concern and another reason why we recommend cycles to be 4 weeks. (Ive seen peoples cholesterol go into single digits on M1T).

RBCs make complete sense. Guys are reporting some of the best pumps they have ever had in their lives. It had to come from this because the product doesnt aromatize.

Im really happy with the blood panel. Im hoping to get my blood done again on the next cycle, so we can compile a mini database of it. Day 1 after the cycle is very comparitive to being on the cycle. Great info, very much appreciated.

 

[Hank Vangut]

also, unsure what Matt is saying when he states "which is why GGT is always good to get as well."

if any of you know what GGT is please let me know. i'm really hoping it doesn't mean 'good gay time'.

 

[OCCFan023]

GGT is an enzyme in the blood (gamma-glutamyltransferase) thta I think has something to do with liver function (trying to recall what I saw from Ad. Nutrition and Metabolism). I think he meant that a test for GGT is a good thing to incorporate into blood tests (I can't recall if yours had it and am way to lazy write now to click back one page) aha

 

[Hank Vangut]

GGT is an enzyme in the blood (gamma-glutamyltransferase). I think he meant that a test for GGT is a good thing to incorporate into blood tests (I can't recall if yours had it and am way to lazy write now to click back one page) aha

ahh...thank you occ!

 

[rcaz01]

Link to info on GGT test numbers and such...

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003458.htm


Normal Results:
The normal range is 0 to 51 IU/L.
Note: IU/L = international units per liter
What Abnormal Results Mean Return to top

Greater-than-normal levels of GGT may indicate:
Congestive heart failure
Cholestasis (congestion of the bile ducts)
Cirrhosis
Hepatitis
Liver ischemia (blood flow deficiency)
Liver necrosis
Liver tumor
Use of hepatotoxic drugs (drugs toxic to liver)

 

[rcaz01]

I just looked at the results of the blood work and was surprised how good your results came back, that is "radical".

My HDL was a little out of whack towards the end of last year, after taking cycle support it ended up being in great shape a month later.

Thanks for posting results, very encouraging info!

 

[OCCFan023]

Intense new avi Hank lol.

I am tempted to get a blood panel down just for the hell of it. I'll be getting some inoculations for school soon so I think I may do it then (however do you know how much it costs for all the good stuff?) I am also a little worried about the doctor thinking I'm juicing or something for wanting such an abstract request. Thoughts on waste of money or interesting experiment?

 

[rcaz01]

Always a good idea to have a baseline for your blood work. I would not worry too much about what the Doc thinks there are dozens of reasons to monitor bloodwork based on family history type of scenarios alone. Cirrhosis might be a good one to pick since it means you will need a liver funtion test and youwould not have to ask for it directly.

Or you could just tell him you are a hypochondriach and all of your science classes just make things worse.

 

[metroba]

:toofunny:You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Hank Vangut again.

I almost pooed a little from the face in your avi!

 

[Hank Vangut]

come on now...i'm not that hidious.
there is only a few of us on this forum that are even brave enough to even include a mug shot.

 

[ReaperX]

Did I miss the bloodwork results from 3-AD ? I've been waiting to check those out.

 

[metroba]

ats on the back: shoulders are lookin massive!

 

[Hank Vangut]

Did I miss the bloodwork results from 3-AD ? I've been waiting to check those out.

posted it up on pg 16: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/89580-3-ad-hank-16.html

 

[ReaperX]

Your total cholesterol is very low. I thought mine was low at 166 in Feb '07 when I had bloodwork done.

I got another bloodwork panel done again this past March '08 and my total cholesterol was 132.

Your HDL is slightly low, but then again your LDL is too.

I wouldn't even worry about the liver values.


Seems like a pretty healthy overall bloodwork report.


101 last year and 116 this year for cholesterol. hm.


Have you ever gotten a hormone panel (test, free test, etc) done before ?

 

[Hank Vangut]

Your total cholesterol is very low. I thought mine was low at 166 in Feb '07 when I had bloodwork done.

I got another bloodwork panel done again this past March '08 and my total cholesterol was 132.

Your HDL is slightly low, but then again your LDL is too.

I wouldn't even worry about the liver values.


Seems like a pretty healthy overall bloodwork report.


101 last year and 116 this year for cholesterol. hm.


Have you ever gotten a hormone panel (test, free test, etc) done before ?

yeah, my cholesterol is extremly low.
but my doc said that according to the american heart association there is no such thing as too low of cholesterol.
however, you are right. cholesterol is critical for natural testerone production.
i think i'll get a hormone pannel done.

 

[Hank Vangut]

actually, just looked into what it costs to get a full hormone panel done. i didn't realize it is so expensive!
this is going to have to wait.
just hope my body is efficient in producint testesterone from the low cholesterol i have.
i don't really have any symptoms that would make me think my levels might be low.

 

[SilentBob187]

Just throw a couple whole eggs in the ole diet man. I think there's abt 300mg cholesterol per egg yolk

 

[OCCFan023]

how much was the hormonal panel?