How to stop gangs like MS13?

[Iron Warrior]

How about a wall with machine guns that automatically guns down illegals ? That would keep me away if I were trying to cross ilegally. Put some barbed wire and tasers along the wall and now we're talking business.

 

[Chad]

the only way you could even hope to stop ms13 or the bloods or crips or anyother little b!tch ass gang would to get the Mafia back up to full power. they are more professinal gangsters than these 15 year old gang bangers.
get Gotti to start a clean up and this world will be a better place.

 

[AM07]

I just don't see the logic behind people that support illegal immigration. One, it's an economic issue, costs taxpayers billions of dollars a year. Two, it's a security issue. Three, it's not fair to all of the people that have immigrated here legally for the last four CENTURIES. You lose any sense of national identity due to all of the illegal Mexicans. Not hating on the chicanos, but the majority of the illegals come from Mexico.

Look at England. They are having a MASS influx of immigrants coming into the country, costs are rising for everything there due to the immigrants that can't pay for jack ****, and a national identity doesn't even exist there anymore.

If Israel can build a wall to keep Palestinians from entering Israel (a whole 'nother crazy topic we can discuss for years but not get anywhere), we should easily be able to build a wall.

 

[Bionic]

Yeah but the gov. would probably hire illegal Mexicans to build it! HAHAHA! Yeah, I plagiarized that joke. But I stole it from a guy that steals other people's jokes (Ned Holness aka Carlos Mencia.)

 

[Red Dog]

Yeah but the gov. would probably hire illegal Mexicans to build it! HAHAHA! Yeah, I plagiarized that joke. But I stole it from a guy that steals other people's jokes (Ned Holness aka Carlos Mencia.)

That's cool as long as they finish the final bricks on the Mexican side

 

[Chad]

That's cool as long as they finish the final bricks on the Mexican side

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[Chad]

How about a wall with machine guns that automatically guns down illegals ? That would keep me away if I were trying to cross ilegally. Put some barbed wire and tasers along the wall and now we're talking business.

YEAH!!!! and land mines!!!!! and quick sand!!!!!! and a pack of wild timber wolfs jacked up on Tren and Cocain!!!!!

:twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted:

let the bodies hit the floor!!!!!

 

[Red Dog]

Now if we could just get congress to stop being so short-sided...

 

[VolcomX311]

YEAH!!!! and land mines!!!!! and quick sand!!!!!! and a pack of wild timber wolfs jacked up on Tren and Cocain!!!!!

:twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted:

let the bodies hit the floor!!!!!

and American Gladiators pushing those 100lbs bags around

 

[Bionic]

YEAH!!!! and land mines!!!!! and quick sand!!!!!! and a pack of wild timber wolfs jacked up on Tren and Cocain!!!!!

:twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted:

let the bodies hit the floor!!!!!

...and a laser-guided bee cannon!

 

[Ripped1]

the only way you could even hope to stop ms13 or the bloods or crips or anyother little b!tch ass gang would to get the Mafia back up to full power. they are more professinal gangsters than these 15 year old gang bangers.
get Gotti to start a clean up and this world will be a better place.

now thats a smart idea

Try walking thru Southy at night if your not right

 

[Soopaman]

YEAH!!!! and land mines!!!!! and quick sand!!!!!! and a pack of wild timber wolfs jacked up on Tren and Cocain!!!!!

:twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted:

let the bodies hit the floor!!!!!

And a moat, filled with sharks with lasers on their heads!

 

[VolcomX311]

And piles of Fizogen's STRAP so the chi from the STRAP will make like an invisible force field wall, and we'll all feel stupid for not buying the Fizogen STRAPS cause it saved the day. You know, with the chi and everything, and Randy Couture will feel better about himself.

 

[Iron Warrior]

YEAH!!!! and land mines!!!!! and quick sand!!!!!! and a pack of wild timber wolfs jacked up on Tren and Cocain!!!!!

:twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted:

let the bodies hit the floor!!!!!

:toofunny: how did I not include Tren in my plan to stop illegal immigration ! ? You need to have a talk with John McCain ASAP 'cuz he wants to have 15-20 million of illegals in the US of A.

 

[Chad]

:toofunny: how did I not include Tren in my plan to stop illegal immigration ! ? You need to have a talk with John McCain ASAP 'cuz he wants to have 15-20 million of illegals in the US of A.

fcuk that!!!! i live in texas ( not by choice ) and if those many mexicans roll up in here im going to put a wall around my house!
:numbered:

 

[Iron Warrior]

fcuk that!!!! i live in texas ( not by choice ) and if those many mexicans roll up in here im going to put a wall around my house!
:numbered:

I thought California was that bad. You know it's bad when even most of my US born Hispanic friends/acquaintances WANT an end to illegal immigration. They basically said that their parents got away from Mexico (or other South American countries) because it sucks economically. I didn't know Texas was that bad. We have a big issue with that in the Bay Area and it's even worse in So Cal.

 

[Bionic]

Mexico is in North America.

 

[Zombie]

i think i need to add more pics to this old thread a made a few months back
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/general-chat/81976-border-pics.html

 

[Ripped1]

I remember when I got out of the service the Boarder Patrol was hiring. Sounded good until I figured Iwould last a week. Hm lets see the scenario

Miami. I would have ended putting my foot on some Cubans head that was swiming ashore and drowned him.

Mexico America I wold have shot someone

California hell who knows it is such a sespool

So I declined to say the least. Screw that job. How many do you think are on the take on teh Mexico boarder

 

[Bionic]

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Og-lqgRasLw"]YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.[/nomedia]

 

[AM07]

Is that video real or fake?

 

[Bionic]

Dunno. It looks pretty real. Doesn't have that same effect that green screen can create. But where is the Secret Service or other security? When it starts to happen, you can see two guys between the 2 vehicles there. I think it may be real.

 

[Zombie]

that must be fake, cause i been to several borders and the fences are tall as hell

 

[AM07]

Zombie, the fences in the pictures you posted aren't that tall though.

The ones in that video looked to be about 10-12 feet. I think it may be real, because you see those two cops between the cars, and the second one looks over at the illegals jumping over.

 

[Zombie]

they have 2 kind of fences the nice ones for turist to see and the rusted metal ones. im going to see if i can get closer to the metal rusted fence were there are houses next to it both in this side and mexican side

 

[machine528]

the only way you could even hope to stop ms13 or the bloods or crips or anyother little b!tch ass gang would to get the Mafia back up to full power. they are more professinal gangsters than these 15 year old gang bangers.
get Gotti to start a clean up and this world will be a better place.

I never thought of this, for years the FBI targeted the mafia and pretty much eliminated them. Now you have all these little annoying gangs trying to prove how bad they are. Maybe having the old school mafia back would be such a bad thing lol. Let them police the mess because law enforcements hands are pretty much tied.

 

[Naseem]

like behind any major threat to ppl, it always got ties with the gov! ms 13, al qaida, cocain cartels, dictators...ect they are made by gov services or been used by them. always a master of puppets behind that.

 

[Nightwanderer]

I remember when I got out of the service the Boarder Patrol was hiring. Sounded good until I figured Iwould last a week. Hm lets see the scenario

Miami. I would have ended putting my foot on some Cubans head that was swiming ashore and drowned him.

Read up on the bay of pigs, then say that.

 

[Bering C]

A gang problem is starting to develop in Anchorage it has yet to make it to any small outlying towns and with the amount of firepower say just in my neigborhood I don't think they would make much headway also the demographic around here is pretty lillywhite so they would certainly stand out a bit. We'd just feed em to the bears. ( Treadwell style)

 

[mr j]

wow i cant believe what u guys say.

ms13 might be big. but just cause ur big dont me ur actually down. take example 18th street biggest gang but also ment more pussys!

china might have a big military but that dont mean their stronger and better right?

u guys forgetting how this country was found for? if u think of it wasent it illegals who decided to write the constitution? someone please prove me wrong



im·mi·grant =
1. A person who leaves one country to settle permanently in another.

building a fence? hah wow u guys forget about them underground tunnels?

http://nothingtoxic.com/media/1204777336/Underground_Smuggling_Tunnel_from_Mexico_to_the_US

and maybe we wouldent have such a big of a problem with gangs if the US wasent out at other countries terrorizing them rather than them being here addressing the problem?

dunno we bomb iraq kill some kids parents and guess who that little kid is gonna grow hate against?

talk about controlling terrorist when all u got to do is bomb a country and create them.

my 2cents

 

[Naseem]

i am not a us citizen juss saw some documentaries bout ms13! really without disrespectin salvadorians but those ms13 acts as rats , i mean it seems they no respect to anything! by the way ms 13 only gang in my knowledge that doin satanic signs ,anyone can enlight that i mean their dogma! do they worship SATAN!

also u cant compare ms 13 to iraqui ppl case its whole different story!
but sure it s creatin hate even more hate than ever towards usaas teh black water case..ect
but we should make a diffrence between american ppl and the gov whose ruling the whole stuff !

by the way to be honnest the whole story of how america was created is illegitimate , i mean exterminating ingenious population and replace it by European immigrants!

 

[Nightwanderer]

no, but since your typical gang banger isn't a metal head, they thought the devil horn sign would come off as original. It's lame... I could flip you off, palm side down and say it has special meaning because I'm hung well. Either way I'm still giving you the finger.

 

[Naseem]

no, but since your typical gang banger isn't a metal head, they thought the devil horn sign would come off as original. It's lame... I could flip you off, palm side down and say it has special meaning because I'm hung well. Either way I'm still giving you the finger.

i know i use to listen alot to tupac! so i know tehy not metal head! but its really trick i dunno no other gangs usin that sign or any rapper at least real og s! when i saw interviews with ms 13 member they do they and they it s devil horn , so they know they gettin lot evil tatoos too i men thats crazy! by the way any gangs member all that stuff is in satan way eitehr they know it ir no!
juss question to americans here!did any of you saw or met with ms 13! is it that bad?

 

[One and Only]

How long do you think it will be that 75perecnt of the country speaks spanish seriously?

 

[Naseem]

north american union is on its way ! on teh same scheme of teh eurpean union! the ans is on the 1$ dolla bill nuvos ordos seculorum aka new world order! teh great seal pyramid and whole sein eye aka anti christ eye! pagan symbol evey where ! juss check obelisks wich is pagan phallic symbol aka osiris sex! crazy even in chuches and even in vatican its all corrupted! but facts teh signs are here ppl need wake up befor teh antichrist rule!

 

[mr j]

blah here i come to shed some knowledge again.

ms = salvadorian militia back in the days

ms 13 is diffrent the 13 means mafia which is involved with the mexican mafia. its wide spread to many countrys. including spain.

any gang with a 13 next to it is associated with the mafia

13 <--- flip ur head to the right the 3 should be an M with an underline as a 1

 

[dlew308]

Label them terrorists which they really are and ship em to the gua. bay.

 

[The Paper Route]

Illegals = scum trash

 

[Nightwanderer]

teh great seal pyramid and whole sein eye aka anti christ eye! pagan symbol evey where ! juss check obelisks wich is pagan phallic symbol aka osiris sex! crazy even in chuches and even in vatican its all corrupted! but facts teh signs are here ppl need wake up befor teh antichrist rule!

Um. Pagan imagery in churches is typically a result of the rapid and forceful cultural changes caused from converting indigenous peoples to Christianity at sword point. So, any 'corruptions' of christian imagery and culture are really just the resurfacing of older ways of seeing things. Can you show me any information source independent of any religious agenda that claims the Eye of Providence has any Satanic background whatsoever? Ties to
Ra, Freemasonry, and even a Christian rendering of it representing 'the all seeing eye of god' you can find easily. Haven't seen any Satanic claims on it yet though. Obelisks can represent any number of things, which do include both the deity Osiris and the idea of masculine sexuality, but for some reason
'pagan sex' is the best explanation most modern people can come up with very quickly. All in all, an international group of
anti-government militants floating around latin america and the U.S. doesn't really mean that the devil's coming to get us. People thought the same thing about those guys with crosses on their armor about 1200 years ago.

 

[Vtaper]

I can answer this in 3 simple words, MORE FEDERAL PROGRAMS!

Instead of funding an illegal war, we need to invest in these youths so they will have more opportunties than gangs. We need to seriously re-evaluate our priorities and ask why there arent more job programs, counselors, and community centers where these kids can go and play basketball or shoot pool, and have peer mediated discussion groups about the unfair society we live in.

And, what is a "gang" anyway? What you people call a gang, these kids call a FAMILY. Maybe its the corrupt policies of the Bush administration, which make it impossible for these kids (who are all good at heart)to ever make it in this country.

So instead of just saying crazy things like "put them in prison when they kill people", lets have an open and honest discussion to better understand why they act this way, and find out who the real victims are.


















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Sorry Yall, I couldnt resist.

 

[Nightwanderer]

I can answer this in 3 simple words, MORE FEDERAL PROGRAMS!

Instead of funding an illegal war, we need to invest in these youths so they will have more opportunties than gangs. We need to seriously re-evaluate our priorities and ask why there arent more job programs, counselors, and community centers where these kids can go and play basketball or shoot pool, and have peer mediated discussion groups about the unfair society we live in.

So instead of just saying crazy things like "put them in prison when they kill people", lets have an open and honest discussion to better understand why they act this way, and find out who the real victims are.

Tell me how hoops & pool are going to counteract gang recruitment. Have you been to a youth center any time in the last ten years? You'll see plenty of tatted up gang bangers sporting their colors while getting in some time on the courts. the last one I was at was a few years ago. It was in down town oakland, CA. It basically amounted to a spot where kids could load up on chips and sandwiches and get some free internet access and BET while taking a break from the streets until dusk. There was plenty of talk about how unfair society is,
because black panther propaganda pamphlets were stacked everywhere, even though the center (and it's food/tv/internet) was run by an irish catholic priest who would probably not
agree that free education and health care should be provided
just for black people.

I guess places where kids, some of who only have it tough because they choose to be on the streets in the first place can come abuse
services for the poor and freeload some cheap food need to get more funding. It's better than the crazy idea of putting violent crime offenders in jail as you say. Sarcasm aside, the whole world
ought to be reevaluating its priorities when it comes to things like this. So where do you want to start exactly?

Trust me. I spent years roaming the streets as a kid, and for every kid who was unfortunately no worse off roaming the streets, there were two more who were just having some sort of
identity crisis and were trying to fit in and thought street life was the only way to 'be hard core' or 'keep it real'. I'd be up for more centers and program fundings, but there'd have to be resources put into the existing ones into keeping the freeloaders out of the existing ones first.

 

[Vtaper]

Tell me how hoops & pool are going to counteract gang recruitment. Have you been to a youth center any time in the last ten years? You'll see plenty of tatted up gang bangers sporting their colors while getting in some time on the courts. the last one I was at was a few years ago. It was in down town oakland, CA. It basically amounted to a spot where kids could load up on chips and sandwiches and get some free internet access and BET while taking a break from the streets until dusk. There was plenty of talk about how unfair society is,
because black panther propaganda pamphlets were stacked everywhere, even though the center (and it's food/tv/internet) was run by an irish catholic priest who would probably not
agree that free education and health care should be provided
just for black people.

I guess places where kids, some of who only have it tough because they choose to be on the streets in the first place can come abuse
services for the poor and freeload some cheap food need to get more funding. It's better than the crazy idea of putting violent crime offenders in jail as you say. Sarcasm aside, the whole world
ought to be reevaluating its priorities when it comes to things like this. So where do you want to start exactly?

Trust me. I spent years roaming the streets as a kid, and for every kid who was unfortunately no worse off roaming the streets, there were two more who were just having some sort of
identity crisis and were trying to fit in and thought street life was the only way to 'be hard core' or 'keep it real'. I'd be up for more centers and program fundings, but there'd have to be resources put into the existing ones into keeping the freeloaders out of the existing ones first.

Uhh...dude, did you see the smiley faces at the END of my post? I was being sarcastic, but it was fun reading your response thinking I was serious. For the record, I say hang um'.

 

[dadream]

Saying just hang'em shoot'em, build a huge wall or fence is obviously not the answer, even though we may like it to be. Border control & Illegal immigration is a huge problem with no clear cut answer. It is virtually impossible to keep track of the thousands of miles of our borders. With that said there needs to be a way to document these people, illegal or not, so that we can keep track of these people coming, in the event of crime for example. Gangs are a tough problem as well. It would be a safe assumption that there is a correlation between illegals and gangs/violence, thus documentation may prevent some of this violence since they know we know who they are now, and we will come after them.This may just be wishful thinking and I'm in no way saying this is a perfect, end all answer, but it could offer some ideas to a better one.

 

[Nightwanderer]

Uhh...dude, did you see the smiley faces at the END of my post? I was being sarcastic, but it was fun reading your response thinking I was serious. For the record, I say hang um'.

lol no, I was all in a serious mood, damn it.

 

[Vtaper]

lol no, I was all in a serious mood, damn it.

Well, for your trouble of writing that long response(#91), I gave you some "rep points"(I think), thats the first time ive ever used that function in the almost 3 years ive been on this site!

 

[Nightwanderer]

Well, for your trouble of writing that long response(#91), I gave you some "rep points"(I think), thats the first time ive ever used that function in the almost 3 years ive been on this site!

awesome, nice to know I can earn respect even when coming off like a complete fool, lol.

 

[Naseem]

Um. Pagan imagery in churches is typically a result of the rapid and forceful cultural changes caused from converting indigenous peoples to Christianity at sword point. So, any 'corruptions' of christian imagery and culture are really just the resurfacing of older ways of seeing things. Can you show me any information source independent of any religious agenda that claims the Eye of Providence has any Satanic background whatsoever? Ties to
Ra, Freemasonry, and even a Christian rendering of it representing 'the all seeing eye of god' you can find easily. Haven't seen any Satanic claims on it yet though. Obelisks can represent any number of things, which do include both the deity Osiris and the idea of masculine sexuality, but for some reason
'pagan sex' is the best explanation most modern people can come up with very quickly. All in all, an international group of
anti-government militants floating around latin america and the U.S. doesn't really mean that the devil's coming to get us. People thought the same thing about those guys with crosses on their armor about 1200 years ago.

any egyptolog will tell u that horus = satan ! all freemason of highest degree 20 and plus worship teh devil use stanic rituals pentagrams ..ect they worshipinn babylonian sdeitis like molech ..ect chek albert pike letter ! he was stanist fiounder oif teh kkk!

also also ppl can call anything they worshipp god we have get back teh teh deity definition! if u tell me teh whole seein eye of god i ll tell u yes ! but its teh illuminati god LUCIFER! teh gret seal is bavarian illuminaty seal created by adam wishaupt and he was devil worshiper! dont tell me he was christian!

teh churches are currpted the old viwes are wrong u think jesus came with pagan gods he did fight those pagn rituals! his msg was to worship exlusivly god teh only deity that has the right to be worshipped is god! in any meaning of worshiping or praising aka ask, prayin ;intention befor any acts!

prophecies tells us that antichrist ll have only one eye!

to get back to ms 13 , u should kill their idea their dogma befor u can stop them!

 

[dsade]

any egyptolog will tell u that horus = satan ! all freemason of highest degree 20 and plus worship teh devil use stanic rituals pentagrams ..ect they worshipinn babylonian sdeitis like molech ..ect chek albert pike letter ! he was stanist fiounder oif teh kkk!

also also ppl can call anything they worshipp god we have get back teh teh deity definition! if u tell me teh whole seein eye of god i ll tell u yes ! but its teh illuminati god LUCIFER! teh gret seal is bavarian illuminaty seal created by adam wishaupt and he was devil worshiper! dont tell me he was christian!

teh churches are currpted the old viwes are wrong u think jesus came with pagan gods he did fight those pagn rituals! his msg was to worship exlusivly god teh only deity that has the right to be worshipped is god! in any meaning of worshiping or praising aka ask, prayin ;intention befor any acts!

prophecies tells us that antichrist ll have only one eye!

to get back to ms 13 , u should kill their idea their dogma befor u can stop them!

I wish more people these days worshipped "The Book of Webster"...maybe then they could come across as having a brain and possibly getting a job.

 

[Naseem]

I wish more people these days worshipped "The Book of Webster"...maybe then they could come across as having a brain and possibly getting a job.

u really funny dsade! book of webster lol! it s hard to change ppls way of thinkin, but it s only long term solution in teh mena time still have to fight it the hard way!

 

[Nightwanderer]

any egyptolog will tell u that horus = satan!

I spent most of my life in San Jose, CA, within walking distance to the Rosicrucian museum. Most of what i've read and been told from people studying Egyptology is that Set would actually be the closest thing to an Egyptian version of Satan. Horus actually has a lot of things in common with Jesus as far as certain claims made. It's not anyone's personal opinion, just look at text references.

all freemason of highest degree 20 and plus worship teh devil use stanic rituals pentagrams ..ect they worshipinn babylonian sdeitis like molech ..ect

'How came you by the Tyler's sword' to claim that as a fact,
much less have any real knowledge or experience in regard to Freemasonry? (pardon the cryptic phrase folks, please take my word for it that there was a very specific reason for using it)

chek albert pike letter ! he was stanist fiounder oif teh kkk!

Albert Pike was a Freemason. The masons dispute that he was ever involved with the KKK.
http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/kkk.html

I have no knowledge of the KKK or any other groups with racially based agendas, so I had to google them. I can't find any directly affiliated klan sites claiming albert pike was a member either, but here is a list of founders and some other factual info from a peaceful source outside of both the KKK and the masons.

http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/kkk/default.asp?LEARN_Cat=Extremism&LEARN_SubCat=Extremism_in_America&xpicked=4&item=kkk

also also ppl can call anything they worshipp god we have get back teh teh deity definition!

couldn't agree with you more here.

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f u tell me teh whole seein eye of god i ll tell u yes ! but its teh illuminati god LUCIFER!

Wait, so... Yes, it represents the eye of god to you, but at the same time, it's Lucifer's eye? Again, where's your source info on the illuminati coming from? I'm not well studied on them, but I have a feeling your info is very poorly founded.

teh gret seal is bavarian illuminaty seal created by adam wishaupt and he was devil worshiper! dont tell me he was christian!

You mean Adam Weishaupt? Ok, I can see where his ideas might make some misinformed people believe he was a satanist, but I don't believe that's the case, and I'm no longer well versed in his writings, so, I won't get into this here.

u think jesus came with pagan gods...

No, which is why I find posts like these claiming anything with a history that predates Jesus, or with pagan roots as 'Satanic' somehow as a bit ridiculous.

prophecies tells us that antichrist ll have only one eye!

Please remind people then that most rock stars, pagan deities (even Odin had 2 at one point), secret society members, latin american militants, gang bangers....ok, fine...AN YTHING other than a cyclops and perhaps a few pirates, are NOT the anti christ then! to finally get back on point with the thread, MS13 got their horns from hitting up a few rock concerts. That doesn't make anyone the Devil, or imply MS13 honors Satan as a directive of the group.

to get back to ms 13 , u should kill their idea their dogma befor u can stop them!

Your right, but on the subjects of dogma, prayer, gods, etc. I'm praying as hard as I can that you're not one of the people looking into their organization, or else we'll never get anywhere...