New Ergopharm product?

[FitnFirm]

this is a work in progress that is scheduled for release in 2-3 months

it is a 1-test precursor

that is all i am prepared to say for now

found the above. I think he is still banned from here and cannot post.

 

[AtomSmasher]

I heard a rumor that PA is putting this product out at the same time as AX's 3AD to compete with it. Which would make sense cuz he put out 11oxo right when the original 3ad was supposed to come out. Right now thats just speculation though.

 

[poopypants]

found the above. I think he is still banned from here and cannot post.

untrue

PA made his last comment in here regarding 3-AD being used as a stepstool for some guy in customs and we wont be getting it for a while casue its just the right hieght for him and then he laughs and tells bobo to take it easy cause its just a joke....

HAHA i would think it was funny too if I jacked someones idea then called customs on em to prevent competition....

PURE POOPS PROPOGANDA ABOVE..... but what ev

hes not banned and just hasnt posted since the 3-AD fiasco.


MOD EDIT: He got banned for advertising Giant. Thats all. He didn't want to be here anyway.

 

[Dr Packenwood]

You mean the Italian coffee revolution, right? The use of words like Venti to denote cup size was started by Howard Schultz, the business mastermind behind Starbucks. It has nothing to do with hippies.

[/OT]

Ye, but Starbucks has everything to do with hippies.

 

[Aeternitatis]

Ye, but Starbucks has everything to do with hippies.

Wrong. Hippies would want to patronize an independent, non-international, local coffee house. They want shade-grown organic beans. They want hand-packed espresso. They tend to appreciate better coffee.

 

[mattikus]

HAHA i would think it was funny too if I jacked someones idea then called customs on em to prevent competition....

PURE POOPS PROPOGANDA ABOVE..... but what ev

hahaha PA is a funny, eccentric mother$#@&er. He does seem to have quite a hard-on for AX though. If this is the case, then cmon AX, get yer 3ad so we can get our 1ad already.

btw does anybody here really give a crap about hippies and coffee?

 

[MashedPotato]

hahaha PA is a funny, eccentric mother$#@&er. He does seem to have quite a hard-on for AX though. If this is the case, then cmon AX, get yer 3ad so we can get our 1ad already.

Why does he compete with AX so bad though? Im guessing he sees them as a serious competitor to Ergo, or am I missing the point?

I often find my loyalty to AX being pulled towards Ergo, but AX always pulls me straight back with another killer product.

 

[ImJ2x]

I'll use whatever I think will work -- I don't care what company makes it.
If I stack an AX product with an Ergo product, will the universe collapse? Or will it maybe bring world peace? hmm...

 

[mattikus]

Who knows but I have definitely seen a few times where him and Dr. D butt heads over something, usually Superdrol or some other ph..

 

[poopypants]

I honestly dont think there should be any such "loyaties" to either company, use whatever works.

The one thing that really causes the rift for me is when guys release exact same compounds suddenly or test other competitors stuff "at random" and come up with a better cleaner version when they find a tainted batch of the current manufacturers product.... I think that kind of business practice is what steers me away from ergo products, besides the price.... But you can bet if trhis product is a legit new prohormone that gives the same results as the original Ill be all over it, not cause its an ergo product but cause it works.

Same reason why I can say Ill take mass FX and HDX2 over other comps stuff, say Act EXt and Rebound Reloaded, I love DS supps and that is a nice stack but i think that AX's is better... not cause its ax's but cause it works.

Again I dont think there should be loyalties to a company rather to the supplements themselves, if you make some friends with reps then thats totally diff... I dont think that makes one loyal to a comp for defending a friend.

 

[MashedPotato]

I honestly dont think there should be any such "loyaties" to either company, use whatever works.

The one thing that really causes the rift for me is when guys release exact same compounds suddenly or test other competitors stuff "at random" and come up with a better cleaner version when they find a tainted batch of the current manufacturers product.... I think that kind of business practice is what steers me away from ergo products, besides the price.... But you can bet if trhis product is a legit new prohormone that gives the same results as the original Ill be all over it, not cause its an ergo product but cause it works.

Same reason why I can say Ill take mass FX and HDX2 over other comps stuff, say Act EXt and Rebound Reloaded, I love DS supps and that is a nice stack but i think that AX's is better... not cause its ax's but cause it works.

Again I dont think there should be loyalties to a company rather to the supplements themselves, if you make some friends with reps then thats totally diff... I dont think that makes one loyal to a comp for defending a friend.

Well said poopy. However by loyalties I mean, my prior experiences. All of my experiences with AX products have been great, and im more likely to try a new AX product than say a product from Company Y, because of my prior experience. Because their products work, i consider myself loyal to them, however i have also found Ergo to product great products, yet i dont have as much experience with them.

Now if AX and Ergo come out with a product at exactly the same time, with exactly the same amazing results, im more likely to be loyal to AX ( dr. d, sinner etc are great guys and i respect a company not only for its product but also for its attitude towards its constomers).

Either way I know I'll end up buying from Ergo if it really is the shiznit.

Then again ill also buy from AX as 3AD looks amazing....

Damnit.

 

[mattikus]

Either way I know I'll end up buying from Ergo if it really is the shiznit.

Then again ill also buy from AX as 3AD looks amazing....

Damnit.

LOL. That would probably be a decent little stack...

 

[GuitarHero]

Ye, but Starbucks has everything to do with hippies.

Starbucks has evolved into more of a Yuppie thing; the creepy, self absorbed, bizzaro-hippie-type creature.

 

[ImJ2x]

Starbucks has evolved into more of a Yuppie thing; the creepy, self absorbed, bizzaro-hippie-type creature.

And soccer moms.

 

[slow-mun]

Starbucks has evolved into more of a Yuppie thing; the creepy, self absorbed, bizzaro-hippie-type creature.

I honestly have trouble telling the differences, b/c they have become one in the same. They both listen to Widespread Panic, Gov't Mule, Phish, etc. They both have skewed perceptions of the real world. The truth is that most of these hipsters have merely finally graduated from college and are now part of the class that they attempted to rebel against. These muppets are even less credible now than they were before. Okay, now back on topic. I have better things to do than think about stinky feet, stinky coffee breath, bad dreadlocks, and ragged $100 clothing that was purchased worn.

 

[ReaperX]

I can't remember when the last time I decent product was released on the market. Probably BSN's Endorush.

Should be exciting. I'll wait on the feedback for this though.

There was some guy who said that he is permanently on HRT because he did too many bottles of the old 1-AD and even PCT properly afterwards. :head:

It might be the extremely suppressive nature of 1-T.

 

[slow-mun]

Well if this is true.. I am definately interested in finding out wtf he is up to...If this is true Pat is either the stupidest guy in the world or the one with the biggest nut sack lol

:wave:Your avatar is hypnotising.

 

[MashedPotato]

I can't remember when the last time I decent product was released on the market. Probably BSN's Endorush.



There was some guy who said that he is permanently on HRT because he did too many bottles of the old 1-AD and even post cycle therapy properly afterwards. :head:

It might be the extremely suppressive nature of 1-T.

Must have done ALOT of bottles non-stop.

I was on corticosteroids (mega gram doses (20 gram doses for any docs who know how high that is) for 2 years, and my adrenal glands are back and working fine....

The endocrine system is a robust monster, kind of like the bad guy at the end of Gear of War (t-rex)....it just wont die.*

.... that permanently on HRT boggles my mind, really it does, how do you get into that state in the first place....?



*yes, i am stuck killing the t-rex.

 

[ReaperX]

Must have done ALOT of bottles non-stop.

I was on corticosteroids (mega gram doses (20 gram doses for any docs who know how high that is) for 2 years, and my adrenal glands are back and working fine....

The endocrine system is a robust monster, kind of like the bad guy at the end of Gear of War (t-rex)....it just wont die.*

.... that permanently on HRT boggles my mind, really it does, how do you get into that state in the first place....?



*yes, i am stuck killing the t-rex.

I don't know how he used them, or to what frequency, he just mentioned that he used several bottles, and has had low test now for 2.5 years.


The way that this happened also too boggles me. When a outside hormone that is suppressive takes over the natural endocrine system, it just goes on 'standby'. Then once it is all over, it is like 'waking up' your natural reproduction of testosterone.

A good example of this is women and birth control. Just b/c a woman takes birth control for a long period of time does not mean that she is permanently fertile.


I'm not exactly sure why that happened or if he is telling the truth. Either way, I'll just chill and watch.

 

[MashedPotato]

Your avatar never fails to amuse me reaper.

 

[GuitarHero]

*yes, i am stuck killing the t-rex.

I KNOW! I eventually said Fvck it and played Co-op with some random dude on X-Box Live and beat that guy... it lets you do that still on your same campaign, so it works... but then you don't have the same satisfaction I suppose.

 

[RAVEN]

why thank u... I was really gonna freak some people out and wear that at our booth last weekend

:wave:Your avatar is hypnotising.

 

[mattikus]

PA himself has said in threads that 1ad and 4ad needed a very specific post cycle therapy, but never did say what that actually was. Sounds like it was real suppressive and an insufficient/sloppy PCT. HRT for life? That would suck.

 

[ReaperX]

PA himself has said in threads that 1ad and 4ad needed a very specific post cycle therapy, but never did say what that actually was. Sounds like it was real suppressive and an insufficient/sloppy post cycle therapy. HRT for life? That would suck.

Yup, HRT is expensive and would suck if it was indeed true.


It is always best to let someone else try something out first to see if there are any immediate problems (i.e. Superdrol, Lipokinetix, etc.)

 

[EasyEJL]

Yup, HRT is expensive and bad if it was indeed true.


It is always best to let someone else try something out first to see if there are any immediate problems (i.e. Superdrol, Lipokinetix, etc.)

On the right health insurance its not too expensive. $10 copay for testosterone enanthate for me.

 

[ReaperX]

PA himself has said in threads that 1ad and 4ad needed a very specific post cycle therapy, but never did say what that actually was. Sounds like it was real suppressive and an insufficient/sloppy post cycle therapy. HRT for life? That would suck.

Well, that would take out the fun if you knew what exactly you needed.

 

[mattikus]

On the right health insurance its not too expensive. $10 copay for testosterone enanthate for me.

Damn Easy. You got it easy.

Well, that would take out the fun if you knew what exactly you needed.

Ha, very true.

 

[EasyEJL]

well, i still need a prescription for it, but thats all i'll pay for it. same for pregnyl (hcg)

 

[Big BAMA]

On the right health insurance its not too expensive. $10 copay for testosterone enanthate for me.

Have I told you lately I hate you.

 

[EasyEJL]

don't hate me till I get the prescription. then feel free to hate me

 

[RBKing]

Love him or hate him, PA is probably the most knowledgeable guy in the world on PH/PS. He definitely sees AX as his main competitor and they should be flattered. He is probably still smarting from the fact that he went to jail for giving Conte relatively small batches of PH/PS when everybody else has sold similar stuff openly without any consequences.

 

[FitnFirm]

The real question is can you use the same trademarked name 1-AD for the new product as well as the original when they are not the same ??

 

[Viperspit]

I'm confused. I know that PH's convert to a steroidal compound through the liver, so how does one get a PH compound to convert to anotherr PH compound to convert to a steroidal compound?

e.g. ? > 1AD > 1-Test

 

[EasyEJL]

since he owns the trademark, i'd say yes

 

[Viperspit]

The real question is can you use the same trademarked name 1-AD for the new product as well as the original when they are not the same ??

A trademark for a name is simply that. Legal Ownership of a name. PA can name his house 1-AD if he wants. Get it?

 

[ReaperX]

I'm confused. I know that PH's convert to a steroidal compound through the liver, so how does one get a PH compound to convert to anotherr PH compound to convert to a steroidal compound?

e.g. ? > 1AD > 1-Test

real prohormones:

You may notice that the prohormones have either the addition dione or diol behind them. First of all this signifies the way by which they convert. The dione versions use the enzyme 17-beta-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase and the diol versions use the 3-beta enzyme. In real world terms however we can see that the diol converts at a much higher rate than the dione (15.76% as opposed to 5.61%) and is therefore more anabolic and has less chance of aromatisation. Estrogen formation of the diol directly is impossible, which is not so for the diones. The target hormone can always aromatize of course, but there is no risk of estrogen formation directly off a diol prohormone, which keep the estrogen balance in check and decreases the risk of estrogen-related side-effects. It simply cannot aromatize because its structure doesn't allow it.

 

[poopypants]

I'm confused. I know that PH's convert to a steroidal compound through the liver, so how does one get a PH compound to convert to anotherr PH compound to convert to a steroidal compound?

e.g. ? > 1AD > 1-Test

this is eactly how DHEA works... it converts twice to get to test, the thing is in between it allows it to change to other things and the end conversion rate isnt usually very high.

DHEA > 4-AD > Test

guessing this follows a similar path but still ends up with 70-85% of the original end product was it? that must be a very high amount of enzymes in whoever tested this for him to get that good of numbers after so many conversions.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

I'm confused.

What else is new..

 

[Viperspit]

this is eactly how DHEA works... it converts twice to get to test, the thing is in between it allows it to change to other things and the end conversion rate isnt usually very high.

DHEA > 4-AD > Test

guessing this follows a similar path but still ends up with 70-85% of the original end product was it? that must be a very high amount of enzymes in whoever tested this for him to get that good of numbers after so many conversions.

okay that helps, but what compound today would convert to 1-AD then?

 

[poopypants]

okay that helps, but what compound today would convert to 1-AD then?

that, my friend, is the mystery..... the only thing i can think of would be a 1-DHEA but someone shot that idea down saying PA said it wouldnt be very good conversion wise....

maybe he has some way to methylate it where the methylation breaks off upon first conversion so we end up with 1-test and not methyl 1-test.... dunno....

until he comes out and tell us we are all in the dark and stupified (enter disturbed song)

 

[grila jujitsu]

slow-mun

"I honestly have trouble telling the differences, b/c they have become one in the same. They both listen to Widespread Panic, Gov't Mule, Phish, etc. They both have skewed perceptions of the real world. The truth is that most of these hipsters have merely finally graduated from college and are now part of the class that they attempted to rebel against. These muppets are even less credible now than they were before. Okay, now back on topic. I have better things to do than think about stinky feet, stinky coffee breath, bad dreadlocks, and ragged $100 clothing that was purchased worn."


such broad generalizations. wow

 

[Viperspit]

that, my friend, is the mystery..... the only thing i can think of would be a 1-DHEA but someone shot that idea down saying PA said it wouldnt be very good conversion wise....

maybe he has some way to methylate it where the methylation breaks off upon first conversion so we end up with 1-test and not methyl 1-test.... dunno....

until he comes out and tell us we are all in the dark and stupified (enter disturbed song)

Gotcha. Good enough for me right now. Let's not start talking carbon rings or my head will explode. thanks for the help. oh and Stupified rocks! :cheers:

 

[Viperspit]

"I honestly have trouble telling the differences, b/c they have become one in the same. They both listen to Widespread Panic, Gov't Mule, Phish, etc. They both have skewed perceptions of the real world. The truth is that most of these hipsters have merely finally graduated from college and are now part of the class that they attempted to rebel against. These muppets are even less credible now than they were before. Okay, now back on topic. I have better things to do than think about stinky feet, stinky coffee breath, bad dreadlocks, and ragged $100 clothing that was purchased worn."


such broad generalizations. wow

WTF? U lost?

 

[dsade]

Gotcha. Good enough for me right now. Let's not start talking carbon rings or my head will explode. thanks for the help. oh and Stupified rocks! :cheers:

Try having PA AND Carcinogen (Matt) discuss not only structure but synthesis of the new compound...all after getting jacked up on AMP2 washed down with mass quantities of ClearShot.

 

[grila jujitsu]

WTF? U lost?

sorry, this was in page 5 by slow-mun. the quote button was ot working so i did it my self.

anyways back to the real reason this thread was started. I hope PA's compound in legit!

 

[Viperspit]

Try having PA AND Carcinogen (Matt) discuss not only structure but synthesis of the new compound...all after getting jacked up on AMP2 washed down with mass quantities of ClearShot.

lol, I'm sure it would be similar to my Japanese classes. I'd sit their with a blank look on my face and a headache. :run:

 

[dsade]

lol, I'm sure it would be similar to my Japanese classes. I'd sit their with a blank look on my face and a headache. :run:

Worst part is I understood just enough to feel like I am on the edge of understanding, only to have it slip away at the last minute....NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...damn, gone.

 

[bioman]

Worst part is I understood just enough to feel like I am on the edge of understanding, only to have it slip away at the last minute....NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...damn, gone.

I feel that way a lot.:wave:

 

[pata320]

Well, EST old product Methyl XT is Methyl 1-Etiocholenolol-Epletiocholanolone which they say is M1A converted into Methyl 1-AD. Maybe PA has a way of creating... 1-A??? which could go to 1-AD?? :think:

 

[Dr Packenwood]

If I name my baby 1-AD do I have to pay PA? Would it be a one time deal, or is it a licensing issue where I'd have to pay him everytime I said my kids name?