High carb diet??
- 01-27-2019, 12:48 AM
High carb diet??
So I got those Kai Greene E-books while they were on sale figuring eh, maybe some of it would help with my cut. Well he does high carb, moderately high protein and low fat. Havenít been on this for too long but havenít tracked any weight loss with it just yet. Mainly just curious as to what a high carb diet within a deficit would do to the physique. Youíd think that surplus of carbs would make it harder to lose fat. Please correct me here if Iím wrong.
- 01-27-2019, 09:15 AM
That sounds more like a bulk diet to me but if Kai Greene said it, it's worth a try. haha I would think low carb, high protein and moderate fat would be a good lean/cut diet.Official Strong Supplement Shop Board Rep
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01-27-2019, 10:55 AM
Itís not a surplus of carbs if you are in a deficit.
If truly in a caloric deficit then the distribution of remaining calories once protein levels are accounted for isnít going to make a huge difference in the quality of the weight loss (although factors of how enjoyable the diet is, how sustainable, how it effects training, etc may still apply).
I cut on a higher proportion of carbs to fat than Iíd say most do (it helps fuel my training better) and I have zero issues losing fat.
01-27-2019, 01:20 PM
01-28-2019, 09:11 AM
As long as your are in a deficit you will be able to lose fat. I prefer to keep protein around 1g - 1.2g per pound while cutting, lower fat and higher carb while maintaining a calorie deficit.
From what I've seen, eating more carbs help a lot with strength and energy in the gym. Make sure your fats don't drop too low, but I've never seen any benefits to a low carb/higher fat diet during a cut. The key is to make sure you're eating in a deficit
01-28-2019, 04:26 PM
I've done this diet, at a deficit, and carb-backloaded (had most of the carbs in the evening) and it works fine for losing weight. Most of my macros came from carbs first, then protein.
01-28-2019, 09:42 PM
01-28-2019, 09:42 PM
Kai Greene is also on insulin, growth hormone and aas.
Keeping protein at say 60% is the most effective way, not the most fun and definitely not the easiest.
01-30-2019, 10:28 AM
This entirely depends on how your body responds to carbohydrates. Higher carbohydrates does assist in having sufficient glycogen stores for lifting. Assuming you are getting all of your essential fatty acids, you should be fine with low fat diet. The higher carb method will lead to higher fluid retention however will also lead to fuller muscles (increased glycogen stores and the associated water).
If you end up feeling uncomfortable with the current plan you can go on a carb cycling diet, go on a zone diet, or if you really want to a keto diet.
I have never been a fan of keto I just don't feel comfortable on it and looking flat most the time drives me crazy.
02-01-2019, 01:52 AM
Well carbs spike insulin which I believe makes it easier to gain fat and harder to lose it. Your body will resort to burning off those carbs before it taps into the fat. That’s my take on it. So I think low carb high fat is the way to go. It’s also much much easier to overeat carbs because it makes you crave more of them. I find fat to be more filling and when you’ve had enough you’ve had enough. For some reason it’s easier to control appetite with a high fat low carb diet, at least it is for me. Maybe that’s the result of not experiencing insulin crashes, which spike hunger. Ultimately, being in a calorie deficit should be enough to lose fat but high carb is probably not optimal.
02-01-2019, 08:10 AM
Insulin is considered the master anabolic hormone, it also plays a key role in protein synthesis (the reason why bodybuilders take it).
Assuming you are not constantly spiking insulin, you can consume high glycemic index foods around your workouts it can increase your muscular gains substantially by shuttling nutrients to your muscles.
As for appetite control, fibrous carbs help and make you poop better. Another helpful tip is don't eat like its a job eat like its a hobby take your time, chew more. If you can consume a pound of broccoli and be hungry with the 200 calories you just consumed I am very impressed.
02-01-2019, 11:59 AM
And I agree that increasing your glycogen stores by eating carbs before a workout could make your workout more productive. You’re essentially fueling your muscles so that makes sense. But the OP is trying to lose fat so I think it’s best if his glycogen stores are low during the workout so he’ll be able to burn his own fat instead.
I know you said your basically useless when you go keto and many others claim their workouts suffer, but then there’s people like me who can eat nothing but meat and eggs for a few days and still have pretty solid workouts. I don’t think the OP needs to be that extreme and go carnivore but I think lowering his carbs could help.
02-01-2019, 12:13 PM
Also a majority of the calories burned throughout the day are through your BMR and EPOC. The actual calories burned through exercise is fairly low assuming you are not doing insane durations.
Basically as shown on countless occasions you can either go low carb, low fat or something more inline with a zone diet and lose weight/ body fat (assuming calories are low enough). I prefer the addition of carbs to allow my workouts to be the most productive which helps me preserve muscle.
02-01-2019, 01:39 PM
02-01-2019, 01:39 PM
High carb diet??
I donít want to get to in depth here (but this is a common misconception or half truth I guess I commonly see similar to why people think training fasted is inherently better) but the body isnít that simple. It will up regulate and down regulate other processes over the course of the day to level that out more. The amount of fat you are going to burn based on directly ďusing fat versus carbsĒ during training isnít going to suddenly make it a more effective way to lose fat in a weight loss plan. That would be without even taking into account usually when talking about it that way it comes from people who have higher fat intakes, which is just fueling that substrate to be burned more anyways versus stored body fat.
Iíd much farther a more balanced approach with some carbs to allow better workout intensity for some more productive workouts (and better recovery). Carbs donít magically just stop you from burning fat because they cause and insulin spike thatís just way too simplistic of a look at that process.
Again you can lose weight both ways. If someone wants to do it low carb more power (or less power sense theyíll probably have lower power outputs in their training ) to them, but it isnít more advantageous than a more moderate or even a higher carbohydrate approach given adequate caloric deficit is achieved.
02-01-2019, 01:44 PM
Also Iíd point out that I donít really buy the argument itís much easier to over consume carbs. Usually this is because highly palatable foods are a combination of carbs and fats that make them easy to consume in larger quantities.
Eating a ton of potatoes without all the extras is pretty tough and filling.
But again I donít want people to think Iím saying you have to have carbs. I know people who like and do better on plans with fewer and people need to do what feels best and is sustainable as long as they get results.
Just feel I have to go to bat for carbs at times to make sure that some people out there know they arenít failing on their diets if they want to keep carbohydrates in their diet when aiming for weight loss.
02-12-2019, 11:20 PM
It's calories. A traditional hard core vegan diet is 80carbs. 10protien. 10 fat. Japan is the thinnest country in the world with a 70% carb diet.
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