CHEAP TEST BASE FOR LGD 4033

[YoungThor]

I’m gonna start running 11 mg of lgd in a cut. I’ve already been on 20 mg of mk677 for the last month and will stay on it for several more. I know these compounds are usually stacked in a bulk, but I’m sure my diet (intermittent fasting) and cardio regimen will make them beneficial in a cut. I wanna lose as much fat as possible while retaining all my muscle and I also need to recover from atrophy in my right arm (I’m rehabbing a dislocated shoulder). Those are my goals.

My question is, what’s the cheapest test base I can use? oral or topical only. Thank you for suggestions.

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

low dose of PRE 7a in TD. u can thank me later!~

 

[YoungThor]

That looks like code to me and I’m not seeing much for search results.

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

PRE is a board sponsor. premier research essentials.
7a is a product they offer.

 

[YoungThor]

Oh shyt.....so that’s trest? Definitely gonna have to do a lot of research before I buy that stuff. My test base will end up being way stronger then the lgd haha.

 

[RickyBlobby]

low dose of PRE 7a in TD. u can thank me later!~

This x 100. like 15mg's a day would do the trick. And you can increase absorbancy with topical dmso gel. Oh and it will even add to your gains.

 

[RickyBlobby]

Oh shyt.....so that’s trest? Definitely gonna have to do a lot of research before I buy that stuff. My test base will end up being way stronger then the lgd haha.

NOT if you run it LOW.

Tren is a strong ass drug but if you run it at 15mg a week it wont do ****..... Just run enough trest to serve as a base. Don't run it like you're tryoing to get swole off it.

 

[YoungThor]

Sweet. I think I’m sold. I know that injectables usually have very low to no hepatoxicity, orals are often moderately to extremely harsh on the liver, but what about topical creams? How do they effect the liver?

 

[RickyBlobby]

I've read conflicting articles about the hepatoxicity of trest. Two things you have going for you are

A) low dose- not likely to be very toxic at a low dose
B) Transdermal- Most will agree that transdermal application of a steroid is less hepatoxic than taking orally, same as injecting

 

[RickyBlobby]

low dose of PRE 7a in TD. u can thank me later!~

You think 15mg a day would be enough? Even if only 10mg gets absorbed, that's 70mg a week which is probably equal to at least 150mg+ of testosterone a week. Which would be a sufficient base IMO

 

[Teach6]

You think 15mg a day would be enough? Even if only 10mg gets absorbed, that's 70mg a week which is probably equal to at least 150mg+ of testosterone a week. Which would be a sufficient base IMO

Can someone direct me to this sponsor? Thanks

 

[RickyBlobby]

premier research essentials. Go to the creams section, it is called 7- alpha ace

 

[Tiko1991]

PRE still a sponsor I can’t find them ? I also want to look into their 7a

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

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[Tiko1991]

Awesome thanks!

 

[Teach6]

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Is this applied topically or orally?

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

either

 

[Teach6]

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[YoungThor]

Some studies have shown this stuff to be 10x more potent then test. So I don’t know how to dose it. It’s crazy strong, way more androgenic then test. I was thinking 15mg a day would be good but now I think that’s way to strong for a trt dose. Supposedly there was a study that showed 3.5 mg a week of trestolone to be as strong as 200 mg a week of testosterone.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r8HuwGMPlJM

That’s the dude who made the 3.5 mg claim. I’ve watched him before and I’m pretty sure he knows his shyt.

 

[RickyBlobby]

no way 3.5mg a week is equal to 200mg test. Maybe 3.5mg a day and I think that's stretching it.

You can run it at 10. You wont absorb it all though you may end up with like 6 or 7 in your bloodstream. I've ran it at 75 before with a mild AI and had no gyno problems. And I am prone to gyno. I recommend 15mg a day and adjust from there.

 

[Renew1]

Some studies have shown this stuff to be 10x more potent then test. So I don’t know how to dose it. It’s crazy strong, way more androgenic then test. I was thinking 15mg a day would be good but now I think that’s way to strong for a trt dose. Supposedly there was a study that showed 3.5 mg a week of trestolone to be as strong as 200 mg a week of testosterone.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r8HuwGMPlJM

That’s the dude who made the 3.5 mg claim. I’ve watched him before and I’m pretty sure he knows his shyt.

Yeah....I didn't watch the video, so I don't even know who the guy is....but if he is knowledgeable usually, he made an error on this one.

 

[YoungThor]

He must’ve made a mistake. I’ll run 15 mg a day.

My plan is to run lgd for 10 weeks. I’ll introduce the trest after week two and run it till the end. I figure it’ll take two weeks to start getting suppressed anyway and I don’t wanna go over 8 weeks with the trest. Mk677 also throughout, and then I’ll just continue that for another couple months. Four week pct (clomid). Clomid will also have to serve as my AI. I could get some aromasin during cycle if I really need it but I doubt I will at such a low dose. I’ll post a progress report sometime during the cycle.

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

clomid is not an AI and will not work as one.
im not so sure u are ready for trest my friend.
perhaps you would do fine with some dermacrine or something like that.

 

[YoungThor]

Jeez, I thought it had some minor AI function.

 

[YoungThor]

After hanging around this forum for a few months I still carry some misinformation. Lots to learn. I’ll keep researching the proper way to run an estrogenic compound before I jump on board. It’s not like trest is essential to running lgd but the idea is nice.

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

TBH the idea of running a SARM is to avoid the pitfalls of steroid use. I don't really see the point of adding a test base to a SARM cycle but that's my opinion.
Now if we were adding a SARM to a well thought out steroid cycle, that might make more sense to me.

 

[Toren]

Based upon your comments here, you should stick with Dermacrine as your base. It's very mild and effective when used properly. LGD and Dermacrine is one of my favourite combinations.

As far as "Trest" goes. It is not suitable as a base for everyone. When switching from Dermacrine to Trest as a "base" during a cycle, I noticed a drastic and quick DECREASE in libido. Many other people have reported similar effects with Trest - a decrease in libido. The gains can be great but so too can the suppression. It certainly added to my aggression, though! Some people love it as a base. I would never choose to use it again in that capacity.

If you choose to run LGD/Trest for 2+ months, without prior experience with those compounds, without an AI, and without a SERM that is effective against gyno, you may regret it in the end. I'd suggest you re-think your on-cycle compounds and/or ancillaries.

 

[Cgkone]

Trest from PRE is cool.
Its not CRAZY strong.
You could use as needed for sex and energy

 

[Sam stack]

Yk-11 trest and Lgd sounds like a great stack. Yk-11 is a decent test base

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

Based upon your comments here, you should stick with Dermacrine as your base. It's very mild and effective when used properly. LGD and Dermacrine is one of my favourite combinations.

As far as "Trest" goes. It is not suitable as a base for everyone. When switching from Dermacrine to Trest as a "base" during a cycle, I noticed a drastic and quick DECREASE in libido. Many other people have reported similar effects with Trest - a decrease in libido. The gains can be great but so too can the suppression. It certainly added to my aggression, though! Some people love it as a base. I would never choose to use it again in that capacity.

If you choose to run LGD/Trest for 2+ months, without prior experience with those compounds, without an AI, and without a SERM that is effective against gyno, you may regret it in the end. I'd suggest you re-think your on-cycle compounds and/or ancillaries.

your like only the second guy ive ever come across whom trest didn't make them hornier than a 16 yr old looking at porn for the first time...what was your brand of choice if you don't mind me asking?

 

[Toren]

your like only the second guy ive ever come across whom trest didn't make them hornier than a 16 yr old looking at porn for the first time...what was your brand of choice if you don't mind me asking?

I was using OLUK. Dermatr3st daily and oral Tr3st PWO at times. Everything still functioned fine but there was a noticeable drop in libido. There was also a "disconnected" type of feeling. I've felt it before on other suppressive cycles as well but not nearly to the same degree as with Trest. Ostarine gives me a similar drop in libido and sensation of disconnect between me and my friend. Testosterone gives me a much better sense of well-being, energy, libido, equipment functionality as well. Test also doesn't eat my hair like Trest does. The gains on Trest were awesome though, and came on very quickly.

 

[YoungThor]

I was using OLUK. Dermatr3st daily and oral Tr3st PWO at times. Everything still functioned fine but there was a noticeable drop in libido. There was also a "disconnected" type of feeling. I've felt it before on other suppressive cycles as well but not nearly to the same degree as with Trest. Ostarine gives me a similar drop in libido and sensation of disconnect between me and my friend. Testosterone gives me a much better sense of well-being, energy, libido, equipment functionality as well. Test also doesn't eat my hair like Trest does. The gains on Trest were awesome though, and came on very quickly.

Interesting. I read trest doesn’t convert to DHT. I assumed that would mean it’s friendly on the hairline.

 

[YoungThor]

Yk-11 trest and Lgd sounds like a great stack. Yk-11 is a decent test base

Yk11 as a test base? That sounds strange. I’ll have to do some research to see if there’s any legitimacy there.

 

[YoungThor]

Based upon your comments here, you should stick with Dermacrine as your base. It's very mild and effective when used properly. LGD and Dermacrine is one of my favourite combinations.

As far as "Trest" goes. It is not suitable as a base for everyone. When switching from Dermacrine to Trest as a "base" during a cycle, I noticed a drastic and quick DECREASE in libido. Many other people have reported similar effects with Trest - a decrease in libido. The gains can be great but so too can the suppression. It certainly added to my aggression, though! Some people love it as a base. I would never choose to use it again in that capacity.

If you choose to run LGD/Trest for 2+ months, without prior experience with those compounds, without an AI, and without a SERM that is effective against gyno, you may regret it in the end. I'd suggest you re-think your on-cycle compounds and/or ancillaries.

I knew adding trest would be a stretch for me. Honestly I’ll probably just run the lgd without a base. I don’t think it’s necessary with SARMS. People rarely feel symptoms of suppression while on them. And an AI is also probably unnecessary. I’ve heard a tiny fraction of SARMS users get estrogen related sides, but really I don’t know how that’s possible.

 

[christ83189]

I knew adding trest would be a stretch for me. Honestly I’ll probably just run the lgd without a base. I don’t think it’s necessary with SARMS. People rarely feel symptoms of suppression while on them. And an AI is also probably unnecessary. I’ve heard a tiny fraction of SARMS users get estrogen related sides, but really I don’t know how that’s possible.

Yeah i was gonna say with trest you always gotta make sure you got an AI and either nolva or ralox on hand. You never know how that sh1ts gonna treat ya. It didnt give me problems but id say more than half the people ive seen run it get bad estro sides

 

[RickyBlobby]

Based upon your comments here, you should stick with Dermacrine as your base. It's very mild and effective when used properly. LGD and Dermacrine is one of my favourite combinations.

As far as "Trest" goes. It is not suitable as a base for everyone. When switching from Dermacrine to Trest as a "base" during a cycle, I noticed a drastic and quick DECREASE in libido. Many other people have reported similar effects with Trest - a decrease in libido. The gains can be great but so too can the suppression. It certainly added to my aggression, though! Some people love it as a base. I would never choose to use it again in that capacity.

If you choose to run LGD/Trest for 2+ months, without prior experience with those compounds, without an AI, and without a SERM that is effective against gyno, you may regret it in the end. I'd suggest you re-think your on-cycle compounds and/or ancillaries.

You are literally the first person I have heard that said trest is bad for libido. I was like a porn star on it.

 

[RickyBlobby]

Yeah i was gonna say with trest you always gotta make sure you got an AI and either nolva or ralox on hand. You never know how that sh1ts gonna treat ya. It didnt give me problems but id say more than half the people ive seen run it get bad estro sides

They run it high though. 10-15mg a day should be an acceptable base.

 

[Toren]

Interesting. I read trest doesn’t convert to DHT. I assumed that would mean it’s friendly on the hairline.

It doesn't convert to DHT but it is still highly androgenic. DHT is not the only androgen that binds to the AR in the scalp. If you were to use large doses of Testosterone, and at the same time take a potent 5aR inhibitor like Dutasteride, even though you are eliminating a lot of the 5aR enzyme in your body, and thus DHT, you still have high doses of Test floating around. It too will bind to the AR and activate cellular transcription. The binding affinity of Test is just less than DHT in the scalp and prostate, and the type of specific gene transcription will also differ depending on the hormone and which receptor/gene is being activated. CLIFFS NOTES: androgens other than DHT can negatively impact your hairline depending on the environment created by your cycle.

You'll likely be fine with a low dose. Some people, like me, are just highly susceptible to androgen-induced MPB.

I knew adding trest would be a stretch for me. Honestly I’ll probably just run the lgd without a base. I don’t think it’s necessary with SARMS. People rarely feel symptoms of suppression while on them.

You might regret not having something mild on hand to help with energy on cycle. There are plenty of threads on this forum with people having horrible lethargy on LGD, and feeling VERY suppressed on a number of different SARMs from LGD to Ostarine and beyond; We all respond differently. If you have no prior experience with LGD, and I'm assuming here, you'd be smart to prepare for all of the possibilities, or atleast have funds available to add something like Dermacrine into the mix should the need arise. I don't have any lethargy issues with LGD without a base but I do feel better with a mild base compound.

And an AI is also probably unnecessary. I’ve heard a tiny fraction of SARMS users get estrogen related sides, but really I don’t know how that’s possible.

Probably unnecessary to use.....but not unnecessary to have on hand. If you are cycling, you should always have an AI on hand just in case. Better to be have and not need then to need and not have.

Food for thought. I've dealt with a lump on cycle twice now. Both times on LGD. In a situation like that, mild use of both a SERM and an AI is your best line of defense. If you've been cycling long enough, nothing will surprise you....

It's possible because of SHBG, bound versus unbound hormones, hormone imbalances, changes in binding affinity from altered hormonal profiles, changes in receptor regulation, and for many other reasons. Less likely to occur does not mean will not occur.

You are literally the first person I have heard that said trest is bad for libido. I was like a porn star on it.

If you read back in old Trest threads over the last 2+ years you will see that there are a few guys that have had similar experiences to mine. Certainly not the norm, but possible nonetheless. Trest was great in all other areas, though.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6371845

 

[LGTWHIT]

A cheap test base?? Why cheap? Did you run out of money buying LGD?

 

[YoungThor]

Toren you made some good points. I’ll make sure I’ll have everything I may need on hand. With a low dose of trest as a test base and an AI on hand, I’d probably be fine. But I’m leaning toward dermacrine since it poses less of a risk.
LGTWHIT your a tool. Who straight up asks why someone can’t spend more money? I’m injured and preparing this cycle for when I heal and can return to the gym, and more importantly, my line of employment.

I found some dermacrine by iconic formulations. It’s being sold on strongsupplementshop.com. Are they trustworthy?

 

[christ83189]

Toren you made some good points. I’ll make sure I’ll have everything I may need on hand. With a low dose of trest as a test base and an AI on hand, I’d probably be fine. But I’m leaning toward dermacrine since it poses less of a risk.
LGTWHIT your a tool. Who straight up asks why someone can’t spend more money? I’m injured and preparing this cycle for when I heal and can return to the gym, and more importantly, my line of employment.

I found some dermacrine by iconic formulations. It’s being sold on strongsupplementshop.com. Are they trustworthy?

From what i understand they should be g2g.

 

[Renew1]

Toren you made some good points. I’ll make sure I’ll have everything I may need on hand. With a low dose of trest as a test base and an AI on hand, I’d probably be fine. But I’m leaning toward dermacrine since it poses less of a risk.
LGTWHIT your a tool. Who straight up asks why someone can’t spend more money? I’m injured and preparing this cycle for when I heal and can return to the gym, and more importantly, my line of employment.

I found some dermacrine by iconic formulations. It’s being sold on strongsupplementshop.com. Are they trustworthy?

It's a good product, bro.

 

[Rad83]

Hey m my fellow Thor (I’m also a Thor lol) Curious how this is going and what you went with?

 

[AntSoldier]

Any updates on this? Looking at a similar cycle myself wondering if the Dermacrine was a good base and how the dosage of LGD worked out

 

[Sam stack]

Demacrine would be good for lgd. A lot of people don’t even use a test base and get great results

 

[RickyBlobby]

I think torem @ 30mg/day would give a sufficient base while minimizing suppression and making PCT much easier.

 

[Karlrobert]

low dose of PRE 7a in TD. u can thank me later!~

This^^^. I've done this a couple times running it just for a base dosage and it works for me. I just let the PHs or sarms do the work and PCT so much easier this way. Next time I'm gonna try rickyblobbys dmso idea and see how it goes.

 

[1990HOSS]

low dose of PRE 7a in TD. u can thank me later!~

Would that be good for S23 also? How do you apply it?

 

[Borashi]

Why not run epiandro as the test base? LGD suppression varies on what compounds you stack with it. YK11 as a test base doesn't make sense, it's technically a steroid with 4 methylated groups in its backbone. I recently stacked LGD, MK, YK11, and epiandro, maintained all my strength, cut down by 10lbs by eating mainly fish n chicken, instead of steak, cheese, etc.