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MuscleGen Research: Hexadrone, DMZ, Alpha, Msten, Mithras....

2kvette

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Anybody heard of these guys? Looks like they just came out with some good stuff. Apparently their other products, protein etc, are already in gnc. So to me it's a good sign their legit.
 
I dunno man, any company that claims a 1 tablespoon serving size of their protein is a true 30 grams protein (not stated "equivalent" like PF3 or HumaPro) yet is magically just under 100 calories as well..... seems like they could be kinda shady! :) But I digress....
 
Alan1 said:
I dunno man, any company that claims a 1 tablespoon serving size of their protein is a true 30 grams protein (not stated "equivalent" like PF3 or HumaPro) yet is magically just under 100 calories as well..... seems like they could be kinda shady! :) But I digress....
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their protein is so good that it defies thermodynamics!!
 
That_TRT_Guy said:
their protein is so good that it defies thermodynamics!!
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Ha! In looking a few other places, I saw that the facts panel lists 30g protein (appears as 30g**), and below that does admittedly say **equivalent. Still could be a tad deceptive for those that don't pay attention.

Anyhoo, sorry for the hijack, OP! Now back to those designer steroids of theirs.......
 
Alan1 said:
I dunno man, any company that claims a 1 tablespoon serving size of their protein is a true 30 grams protein (not stated "equivalent" like PF3 or HumaPro) yet is magically just under 100 calories as well..... seems like they could be kinda shady! :) But I digress....
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Is this what you're talking about? Invalid Link Removed

I downloaded the label, but I couldn't make out the fine print, so I searched around to see what it said with the asterisks beside it.

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According to Lucky Vitamin it says:

**Instantized Peptide Whey, Hydrolyzed Whey & Genetic Hexapeptide Protein
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So, wtf is Hexapeptide Protein I thought to myself?

Pediatr Res. 1994 Aug;36(2):169-74.

Growth hormone-releasing hexapeptide is a potent stimulator of growth hormone gene expression and release in the growth hormone-releasing hormone-deprived infant rat.
Locatelli V1, Grilli R, Torsello A, Cella SG, Wehrenberg WB, Müller EE.

Author information

Abstract

The growth hormone-releasing hexapeptide (GHRP-6) specifically stimulates growth hormone (GH) secretion in several animal species and humans. The mechanism of action of GHRP-6 is largely unknown, although experimental evidence indicates that it may modulate growth hormone-releasing hormone (GHRH) and somatostatin actions at the pituitary or hypothalamic level. To gain more insight into the mechanism(s) of action of GHRP-6, we studied the infant rat, an animal model highly responsive to GH-releasing stimuli. In 14-d-old rats GHRP-6 (32-600 micrograms/kg, s.c.) induced a marked and dose-dependent rise in plasma GH concentrations, maximal stimulation occurring with the dose of 300 micrograms/kg. Neither GHRH nor somatostatin antiserum prevented or modified the GH release elicited by GHRP-6. In pups passively immunized with GHRH antibodies, a 5-d treatment with GHRP-6 (80 micrograms/kg, s.c., twice daily) completely counteracted the inhibitory effect of GHRH deprivation on GH mRNA expression. In vitro GHRP-6 (10(-7) and 10(-6) M) induced a small and transient stimulation of GH release from cultured pituitary cells. These results indicate the following: 1) GHRP-6 is a potent stimulator of GH release in rat pups; 2) it stimulates GH gene expression in the GHRH-deprived pup; 3) during the neonatal period its action is not mediated by GHRH or somatostatin; and 4) its actions are not directed at the somatotrophs.
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So, are they literally putting GHRP-6 in their protein formula?!Invalid Link Removed

And, ofc, there is no way a tablespoon of this stuff could give you 30g of protein. They do appear to have some other protein formulas that have regular scoop sized powders with realistic measurements.

They also have an interesting looking PH I'd never heard of called Invalid Link Removed and the active ingredient is something called Dimethandrostenol (2,17α-dimethyl-17β-hydroxy-5α-androst-2-ene). I couldn't find much on this stuff, but here is an M&M article on it Invalid Link Removed and another comparing it to Pheraplex Invalid Link Removed

They also seem to be selling DMZ Invalid Link Removed and Hexadrone aka 6-chloro-androst-4-ene-3-one-17b-ol Invalid Link Removed

They also have some more fake/sketchy products:
A fake Epistane product they've named "EPISTATIN" which is nothing but Epicatechin
An HMB product they've called "HYDROMETH" because B-hydroxy-B-methylbutyrate Invalid Link Removed

EDIT: BTW, I missed the title of the post. What is Alpha, Msten, Mithras? I'm sort of familiar with msten, but there are a lot of rumors going around that everyone is faking it and it's been banned.
 
pogue said:
Is this what you're talking about?

And, ofc, there is no way a tablespoon of this stuff could give you 30g of protein. They do appear to have some other protein formulas that have regular scoop sized powders with realistic measurements.
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Yeah that's the stuff. Found a mildly entertaining thread from BB dot com where the so-called "doctor" that developed this stuff talks about a process they use called electrophoresis "Thus giving us the ability to get 30grams of protein in a 1TBS serving size. This process also changes the caloritic count as well to 3.2 calories per gram of protein."

EDIT: BTW, I missed the title of the post. What is Alpha, Msten, Mithras? I'm sort of familiar with msten, but there are a lot of rumors going around that everyone is faking it and it's been banned.
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Mithras is/was Iron Legion's name for their Dimethandrostenol product (the steroid you mentioned above). Msten = Methylstenbolone, and I'm guessing Alpha is Musclegen's "Alphadrolone" product,which is Alpha1/M1A (Methyl-1-Etiocholenolol-Epietiocholanolone).
 
It's not illegal, I talked to a lawyer who handles pharmaceutical law. It's what would be called an NCE (new chemical entity). But realistically, it's an unapproved new drug, i think.
 
Alan1 said:
Yeah that's the stuff. Found a mildly entertaining thread from BB dot com where the so-called "doctor" that developed this stuff talks about a process they use called electrophoresis "Thus giving us the ability to get 30grams of protein in a 1TBS serving size. This process also changes the caloritic count as well to 3.2 calories per gram of protein."
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Can you link me to the thread? Or PM me if it's against the rules?



Alan1 said:
Mithras is/was Iron Legion's name for their Dimethandrostenol product (the steroid you mentioned above). Msten = Methylstenbolone, and I'm guessing Alpha is Musclegen's "Alphadrolone" product,which is Alpha1/M1A (Methyl-1-Etiocholenolol-Epietiocholanolone).
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Which product is their Msten product?

2kvette said:
It's not illegal, I talked to a lawyer who handles pharmaceutical law. It's what would be called an NCE (new chemical entity). But realistically, it's an unapproved new drug, i think.
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Which compound are you referring to?
 
Alan1 said:
Yeah that's the stuff. Found a mildly entertaining thread from BB dot com where the so-called "doctor" that developed this stuff talks about a process they use called electrophoresis "Thus giving us the ability to get 30grams of protein in a 1TBS serving size. This process also changes the caloritic count as well to 3.2 calories per gram of protein."
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The process they're referring to is called SDS-PAGE (Sodium Dodecyl Sulfate-Polyacrylamide Gel Electrophoresis). Proteins have two sides, an N-terminus and a C-terminus, each carrying different charges. The proteins are put into a gel with wells, they then have an electrical current run through them. This allows the proteins to be separated by their electrical charge. It would very very very easily allow you to purify a protein down to a near 100% pure concentration; allowing you to increase it's density. I still don't know how they're coming up with that calorie count though. But, I've done this process many times myself in the laboratory and I can attest that it is probably the best method to isolate proteins. Size exclusion chromatography may be better, but that is a discussion for a latter date.
 
It's simple. 30g protein = 120calories.

Even with their bull shiit special calories it'd be over 90 cals.

It only has 56 calories per serving. It is full of shiit.

And those cals are assuming it's 100% proteins, but it isn't.
Unless I'm missing something

On the gnc website the genepro medical grade protein looks the same but list calories at 98.

If we go by the calories on the gnc label it only has 24.5g of actual protein an the remaining 5.5g is amino's.

If we go by tablespoons it only has 15g of protein giving it 48 calories based off the 3.2 g per serving or 60cals based off normal 4cal/g

They're saying the made the protein molecule smaller to fit more into a serving.
If it weighs 30g it weighs 30g. so I'm confused.


After looking at the ingredients I've figured out how they have they calorie content low and protein content at one tablespoon.

They list bcaa's as well, so they're protein spiking by counting the amino's as protein.

Either way it looks shady.

Fcuk my head hurts now.
 
brofessorx said:
Peeps doing all this discussion on the protein.

It's simple. 30g protein = 120calories.

Even with their bull shiit special calories it'd be over 90 cals.

It only has 56 calories per serving. It is full of shiit.

And those cals are assuming it's 100% proteins, but it isn't.
Unless I'm missing something
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Yes screw the protein, I get side tracked too easy. I got plenty of protein, that's why God gave us animals. Now, some body buck up and run their msten already and let me know how it goes. :)
 
2kvette said:
msten, alpha, dimethandro... none are scheduled last I looked, which was like a week ago.
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Just because a compound isn't scheduled, doesn't mean it can't technically be illegal. First, it has to fall under the DSHEA, which mandates the substance has to be found in a natural source. Like Vitamin C for example, it's found in fruits and vegetables and would be allowed under the DSHEA because it's found in nature, even though it may be sourced from a synthetic Vitamin C. The compounds you just listed are not found in nature in any form I'm aware. It's not found in any plant or animal or anything like that and therefore would be considered an 'adultered' chemical by the FDA's definition. Once a compound is declared adulterated, the compound has to be recalled and pulled from the market or the supplement company has to mount an expensive legal challenge against the FDA and the government to prove otherwise in a court of law. A good example of this is DMAA (aka 1,3-dimethylamylamine or Methylhexanamine). Invalid Link Removed has a good overview of how all this went down and a history of what happened. But, to summarize, the FDA declared DMAA an adulterated supplement, even though USPLabs had studies claiming it was found in the geranium plant, but other labs and published studies said they couldn't find any traces of it in geranium.

HiTech Pharm sued the FDA and actually won and was allowed to start reselling DMAA again. But, in probably like 99% of the cases, when a supplement is declared adulterated, it's pulled from the market, never to be seen or heard from again (except on the black market maybe).

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Then, in 2014 a new law was passed called DASCA (Designer Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 2014) to try and fix the loopholes supplement companies were using to sell AAS OTC. It banned a bunch of new prohormones and designer steroids and also classified anything that was metabolite of any of the primary male sex hormones from being sold.

Analogues of Listed Steroids Also Illegal.
DASCA criminalizes very close relatives of explicitly listed steroids. It says that “a drug or hormonal substance (other than estrogens, progestins, corticosteroids, and dehydroepiandrosterone) that is not listed … and is derived from, or has a chemical structure substantially similar to, 1 or more [listed] anabolic steroids [is considered an anabolic steroid] if … [it] has been created or manufactured with the intent of [promoting muscle growth or having pharmacological effects like testosterone or] has been, or is intended to be, marketed or otherwise promoted [to suggest it will promote muscle growth or have pharmacological effects like testosterone].” In other words, derivatives and slight variations on compounds which are on the list can violate the law if they are made or if they are marketed, or intended to be marketed, to build muscle or have effects like testosterone.

Mislabeling Provision.
DASCA introduces a whole new theory by which to prosecute steroid cases by making it a crime to import, export, manufacture, distribute, dispense, sell, offer to sell, or possess with intent to manufacture or sell any anabolic steroid, or any product containing an anabolic steroid, unless it bears a label clearly identifying the anabolic steroid by accepted (IUPAC) nomenclature. This provision would apply to manufacturers who use deceptive or “creative” ingredient labeling to conceal that the product is an anabolic steroid. It would also apply to distributors and retailers who know, intend, or have reasonable cause to believe that the product contains an anabolic steroid.

Shortcut to Adding New Compounds.
The Attorney General will be able to add new “designer” compounds to the list of anabolic steroids with greater ease and speed (with only 30 days’ notice for temporary scheduling).

Increased Penalties
Criminal penalties can be up to 10 years imprisonment and massive fines (up to $2.5 million on corporations). Civil penalties can be up to $500,000 per product violation for importers, exporters, manufacturers and distributors. Even retailers can be hit with a $25,000 penalty per product violation (and each package size, form, or differently labeled item is a separate product).
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So, this law puts anything that promotes muscle growth and is an androgen automatically illegal. This puts the DHEA analogues like 1DHEA (1-Andro), 1,4DHEA, 19-nor-DHEA in a weird position because it's derived from DHEA and should be technically allowed under DASCA, but it's not found in nature (AFAIK) making it illegal under DSHEA.

AFAIK, no one has been prosecuted under DASCA yet, so enforcement by the FDA/DEA/DOJ seems to be very lax. Even though many companies are selling these products on the open market, nothing has been done about it yet, other than the supplement companies getting very nervous about being prosecuted and voluntarily pulling their products from the market. That's why it's a good idea, if you like a certain compound to buy it now and stock up on it. If you keep it in your fridge, it can last for years beyond the expiration date. Some compounds were so popular, they'll eventually make their way to the black market where those who have the courage to buy and use them to buy them and use them. I've seen stuff like Superdrol, 1-testosterone, and methyl-1-testosterone on the black market in the past, proving there is enough demand for these drugs to still be sold.

So, in summary, even though these products are being openly sold on the market, doesn't mean they're legal in any way, shape or form.
 
Tmi
 
Illegal to sell
 
Yes I’ve tried both!!! The strength from the Musclegens/Med-Fit RX’s M-sten was ****kng incredible. All there products are strong. Protien could mix better tho
 
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