Ostarine stack

[Docmattic]

Hey guys,

Ive decided i want to try an ostarine cycle but have a few questions i would like some advice on. Im going to be using it to lean bulk. Ive never taken AAS or Sarms before. I started a cycle of Andormass but injured myself a week in.

Firstly, im thinking about running 25mg/day for 4-6 weeks. Do any issues/side effects start to emerge with a six week cycle? id like to do 6 but if its best i'll just keep it short and sweet?

Secondly, ive toyed with the idea of stacking it with PES Anabeta for increased gains. Will this provide me with any benefits or is there no point? Ive also got 3 weeks of Andromass v2 i could work in with it.

Also, since osta raises estrogen, should i use an AI (erase or triazole) during the cycle or wait until after?


Much Appreciated.

Doc.

 

[Celorza]

Hey guys,

Ive decided i want to try an ostarine cycle but have a few questions i would like some advice on. Im going to be using it to lean bulk. Ive never taken AAS or Sarms before. I started a cycle of Andormass but injured myself a week in.

Firstly, im thinking about running 25mg/day for 4-6 weeks. Do any issues/side effects start to emerge with a six week cycle? id like to do 6 but if its best i'll just keep it short and sweet?

Secondly, ive toyed with the idea of stacking it with PES Anabeta for increased gains. Will this provide me with any benefits or is there no point? Ive also got 3 weeks of Andromass v2 i could work in with it.

Also, since osta raises estrogen, should i use an AI (erase or triazole) during the cycle or wait until after?


Much Appreciated.

Doc.

First: Don't stack ABE or AB , save it for PCT , 25mg a day ED is good for 6-8 weeks , if its a research chem (cheaper and without hyped fillers) better. Now , for pct , you will need Erase+DAA 4-6 weeks , and throw in AB or ABE in PCT to keep gains and help with test and cortisol ratios , in the lean bulk department Osta has shown to yield around 6-9lbs of lean mass and lean you out a bit , but it takes around 2 weeks to kick in for many. Take it stand alone , don't stack it with anything and you should be good to go.

 

[Jahcuree]

Hey guys,

Ive decided i want to try an ostarine cycle but have a few questions i would like some advice on. Im going to be using it to lean bulk. Ive never taken AAS or Sarms before. I started a cycle of Andormass but injured myself a week in.

Firstly, im thinking about running 25mg/day for 4-6 weeks. Do any issues/side effects start to emerge with a six week cycle? id like to do 6 but if its best i'll just keep it short and sweet?

Secondly, ive toyed with the idea of stacking it with PES Anabeta for increased gains. Will this provide me with any benefits or is there no point? Ive also got 3 weeks of Andromass v2 i could work in with it.

Also, since osta raises estrogen, should i use an AI (erase or triazole) during the cycle or wait until after?

Much Appreciated.

Doc.

Hope you've got a serm for pct.

 

[Celorza]

No SERM needed for osta at 25mg ED for 8 weeks , but recommended to have one on hand just in case you DO get shut down , pretty cheap anyway.

 

[WARBIRDWS6]

I'm using forma stanzol ED (7 pumps) with 20/13mg osta for 5 weeks, intimidate also. Totally not gonna use any SERM or PCT for that. but yeah, I incorporated an anti-estrogen, and forma is a pretty good stacker in general as well, so it should work well. Also using Reduce XT for cortisol for 4 of the weeks. I just used triazole for the 4 weeks of PCT (should have some runover into the osta cycle matter of fact) and that was good stuff as well, but better to switch it up in my case since I was on it for a month already.....

 

[TattooYou]

Enobosarm (ostarine) is fairly new and side effects have been negligible and well tolerated though no data beyond 16 weeks is available yet. Great drug for reducing lipodystrophy and inhibition of catabolic muscle wasting. I've seen great effects in cancer patients (current indication for enobosarm) to reduce cachexia. I'm interested to hear how well it works for you.

 

[Jahcuree]

No SERM needed for osta at 25mg ED for 8 weeks , but recommended to have one on hand just in case you DO get shut down , pretty cheap anyway.

Don't agree with this. I've seen countless peoples bloods being shut down after around 8 weeks at 20-25mgs

Which is why I have had a bottle sitting on my shelf for about 4 months that I will probably never use.

 

[jbryand101b]

Don't agree with this. I've seen countless peoples bloods being shut down after around 8 weeks at 20-25mgs

Which is why I have had a bottle sitting on my shelf for about 4 months that I will probably never use.

If it binds with the androgen receptor and interacts with it, it will affect hpta function.

 

[Jahcuree]

If it binds with the androgen receptor and interacts with it, it will affect hpta function.

Exactly why I don't understand people using this in PCT at all.

 

[jbryand101b]

Because they are stupid

 

[WARBIRDWS6]

People are not necessarily using it IN PCT.....but AFTER PCT or any random time with other stuff that is non-suppressive and/or natural test boosting. at 13-20 mgs for 4-6 weeks, along with AI and solid test booster....no F-in way you are gonna be suppressed to any great degree. that is just not logical....perhaps to a very minor degree....

 

[Jahcuree]

People are not necessarily using it IN PCT.....but AFTER PCT or any random time with other stuff that is non-suppressive and/or natural test boosting. at 13-20 mgs for 4-6 weeks, along with AI and solid test booster....no F-in way you are gonna be suppressed to any great degree. that is just not logical....perhaps to a very minor degree....

Wasn't necessarily referring to you,but there ARE others on this board using it in PCT.

 

[WARBIRDWS6]

Wasn't necessarily referring to you,but there ARE others on this board using it in PCT.

As I said yesterday, I had contemplated using the lower dose osta in PCT myself.....but thought the better of it since you don't want to fuq up your PCT....better off not to chance it. maybe 3-6mg might be fine in PCT? but hard to know at this point....I won't bash anybody who does low dose osta in PCT, but then again I decided it was a bad idea in my estimations.

 

[Husker89]

imma run it 6mgs in pct

As I said yesterday, I had contemplated using the lower dose osta in PCT myself.....but thought the better of it since you don't want to fuq up your PCT....better off not to chance it. maybe 3-6mg might be fine in PCT? but hard to know at this point....I won't bash anybody who does low dose osta in PCT, but then again I decided it was a bad idea in my estimations.

 

[WARBIRDWS6]

imma run it 6mgs in pct

I figure you'd be alright.....but I'm no blood test lol

 

[Jahcuree]

I figure you'd be alright.....but I'm no blood test lol

I hope that you will be alright

 

[grega60438]

I am concerned that some of the above comments may cause incorrect assumptions about Ostarine.
The very first day Ostarine was released, I ran Ostarine multiple times at different doses, and different time durations and ran blood tests. My experience is as follows:

25 mg, for extended time, like 2-3 months, does cause minor shutdown, of which one week of PCT can bring you back to normal. That has been my experience.

I have also ran during PCT as a taper. I ran serm and DAA the entire time.
Wk 1=25
Wk 2=12.5
Wk 3=6.25
Wk 4=6.25
Wk5=Continued Serm and DAA
Wk6=Continued Serm and DAA
The results are a 20% increase in maintaining gains. That has been my experience.

 

[Celorza]

Don't agree with this. I've seen countless peoples bloods being shut down after around 8 weeks at 20-25mgs

Which is why I have had a bottle sitting on my shelf for about 4 months that I will probably never use.

Lol no idea why , I followed 4 logs of 4 different people , running 25mg ED (some did a bit higher for some days to test but came back to 25mg) for 8 weeks and none of them had shutdown after cycle and OTC pct was done...should you present some evidence that I am wrong I would gladly discuss that with you.

 

[WARBIRDWS6]

I am concerned that some of the above comments may cause incorrect assumptions about Ostarine.
The very first day Ostarine was released, I ran Ostarine multiple times at different doses, and different time durations and ran blood tests. My experience is as follows:

25 mg, for extended time, like 2-3 months, does cause minor shutdown, of which one week of PCT can bring you back to normal. That has been my experience.

I have also ran during PCT as a taper. I ran serm and DAA the entire time.
Wk 1=25
Wk 2=12.5
Wk 3=6.25
Wk 4=6.25
Wk5=Continued Serm and DAA
Wk6=Continued Serm and DAA
The results are a 20% increase in maintaining gains. That has been my experience.

Well there you go....can't argue with actual test results.

 

[willib]

at 100.00 a bottle osta is not cheap. i would like to know if it realy shuts test down and if daa will help pick it back up.let the experts decide and would love real world imput

 

[Celorza]

at 100.00 a bottle osta is not cheap. i would like to know if it realy shuts test down and if daa will help pick it back up.let the experts decide and would love real world imput

Osta is quite cheap and for 8 weeks if you know where to buy it (at 25mg a day ED)...without hyped fillers and high pricing for brand name.

 

[willib]

where and thanks

 

[Docmattic]

I am concerned that some of the above comments may cause incorrect assumptions about Ostarine.
The very first day Ostarine was released, I ran Ostarine multiple times at different doses, and different time durations and ran blood tests. My experience is as follows:

25 mg, for extended time, like 2-3 months, does cause minor shutdown, of which one week of PCT can bring you back to normal. That has been my experience.

I have also ran during PCT as a taper. I ran serm and DAA the entire time.
Wk 1=25
Wk 2=12.5
Wk 3=6.25
Wk 4=6.25
Wk5=Continued Serm and DAA
Wk6=Continued Serm and DAA
The results are a 20% increase in maintaining gains. That has been my experience.

Thanks,

So it sounds like a four to six week run should be fine without any issues. Is this correct? The only issues ive seen from blood work was slightly elevated e2. So if i use triazole during the last two weeks of the cycle and first two weeks after, along with Daa, I figure i shuuld have any elevated e2 lowered and any slight test drops will increase.

 

[Celorza]

Thanks,

So it sounds like a four to six week run should be fine without any issues. Is this correct? The only issues ive seen from blood work was slightly elevated e2. So if i use triazole during the last two weeks of the cycle and first two weeks after, along with Daa, I figure i shuuld have any elevated e2 lowered and any slight test drops will increase.

You really didn't get it did yah? Osta doesnt raise Estrogen...and he used in PCT!!! you are not in pct , you can use it 8 weeks as standalone AAS without any problem and just use erase and daa as pct...God...

 

[csa2179]

You really didn't get it did yah? Osta doesnt raise Estrogen...and he used in PCT!!! you are not in pct , you can use it 8 weeks as standalone AAS without any problem and just use erase and daa as pct...God...

hahahahahahahaha ive been waiting for you to crack.

 

[Celorza]

hahahahahahahaha ive been waiting for you to crack.

Some people just should stay away from chemicals and anabolics until they pass Chem 1 or something...or at least listen to reason...jesus haha

 

[Docmattic]

You really didn't get it did yah? Osta doesnt raise Estrogen...and he used in PCT!!! you are not in pct , you can use it 8 weeks as standalone AAS without any problem and just use erase and daa as pct...God...

i'm going to refrain from throwing back any nasty comments because it looks like you are trying to help...
Ostarine actually does and can raise estrogen is some people... do some research and read some bloodwork from straight osta cycles and see...GOD.

Really, its a little hard when i try do some reaserch and i have people not reading the initial question, jumping in and telling me to take a serm (WTF). It makes it a little confusing so i just like to reiterate. YES i understand he used it PCT, hes also had plenty of other experience with it. Thats why i referred my question to him because he seemed like the most informed person in the thread, having used osta multiple times.


And i dont know why you crack at me ive posted twice in this section...

Thankyou.

 

[Celorza]

i'm going to refrain from throwing back any nasty comments because it looks like you are trying to help...
Ostarine actually does and can raise estrogen is some people... do some research and read some bloodwork from straight osta cycles and see...GOD.

Really, its a little hard when i try do some reaserch and i have people not reading the initial question, jumping in and telling me to take a serm (WTF). It makes it a little confusing so i just like to reiterate. YES i understand he used it PCT, hes also had plenty of other experience with it. Thats why i referred my question to him because he seemed like the most informed person in the thread, having used osta multiple times.


And i dont know why you crack at me ive posted twice in this section...

Thankyou.

Not cracking because of you , cracking due to many people here chiming in with some nonesense like SERMs for Ostarine. Ok so you did research , lets move this on to PM if you wish , I have at least 10 different logs from people that Osta from around 6 to 14 weeks (different times for everyone) and they come with bloods (most of them) I found no worrying Estriadol concern , indeed it will raise estrogen AFTER you are off from it , but from the test converting to estrogen , not due to receptor messing and overproduction of it...Thats why I recommended the AI and T-booster in PCT , its really all you need , other than MAYBE some OTC painkillers seeing how many people have reported migranes off from it , but they were already prone to them.

Point being , taking an OTC AI WHILE on Osta would not yield much benefit or point , most effective would be to take it in PCT, hop in this thread:
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/201911-androgenic-anabolic-hormones.html

Not only me but Dr.Str8ed (he is one of the most experienced guys with AAS here...) and JB and many more are in there answering questions day and night, ask them in there , Dr himself told me this is correct...and he has more bloods and evidence than I do...Please jump in there or we can move this to PM if you wanna compare data.

 

[WARBIRDWS6]

This board is SERM fuqin crazy.....SERM for everyfuqinthing....7-spray? better SERM.....low dose osta? SERM IT!..... androseries? SERM!!!

 

[Docmattic]

Not cracking because of you , cracking due to many people here chiming in with some nonesense like SERMs for Ostarine. Ok so you did research , lets move this on to PM if you wish , I have at least 10 different logs from people that Osta from around 6 to 14 weeks (different times for everyone) and they come with bloods (most of them) I found no worrying Estriadol concern , indeed it will raise estrogen AFTER you are off from it , but from the test converting to estrogen , not due to receptor messing and overproduction of it...Thats why I recommended the AI and T-booster in PCT , its really all you need , other than MAYBE some OTC painkillers seeing how many people have reported migranes off from it , but they were already prone to them.

Point being , taking an OTC AI WHILE on Osta would not yield much benefit or point , most effective would be to take it in PCT, hop in this thread:
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/201911-androgenic-anabolic-hormones.html

Not only me but Dr.Str8ed (he is one of the most experienced guys with AAS here...) and JB and many more are in there answering questions day and night, ask them in there , Dr himself told me this is correct...and he has more bloods and evidence than I do...Please jump in there or we can move this to PM if you wanna compare data.

Thanks for the info about migranes and explaining the estrogen thing a little more. yeh, the bloodwork ive seen has shown higher estrogen, but it wasn't sky high. So i think we're on the same page in that regard. If you want to pm me some links to blood work id me more than happy to read them. Ive found about 4-5 so where the results havn't been tainted by the user using anabolics with the osta. However I havnt been able to find any where the person has done any prebloods.

It would be interesting to read more about the migranes though as i am prone to them and I haven't seen anyone compaining of constant migraines while on the osta cycle. i did read about the off headache in a few logs, but I just put this down to getting a headache. i didnt pick up on anyone having multiple migraines. I understand this will be different for each user though.


Cheers for the other link. I'll give it a read a little later its 12pm on sunday here so i gotta go do some shopping for the week.

 

[Celorza]

This board is SERM fuqin crazy.....SERM for everyfuqinthing....7-spray? better SERM.....low dose osta? SERM IT!..... androseries? SERM!!!

Regular and effective dose osta is 25mg a day , and needs no SERM , the androseries , if used by themselves with their own stacking ways , only needs the TRS which is like toco-8 , sustain alpha , trf and something else I can't remember...which is good enough...SERMs are for big boy toys , Gears , Methylated or Unmethylated HARD PH/DS , Gear...you know...the "real stuff" not the mild stuff like sarms and PP...

 

[Celorza]

Thanks for the info about migranes and explaining the estrogen thing a little more. yeh, the bloodwork ive seen has shown higher estrogen, but it wasn't sky high. So i think we're on the same page in that regard. If you want to pm me some links to blood work id me more than happy to read them. Ive found about 4-5 so where the results havn't been tainted by the user using anabolics with the osta. However I havnt been able to find any where the person has done any prebloods.

It would be interesting to read more about the migranes though as i am prone to them and hadn't seen anyone compaining of constant migraines while on the osta cycle. Really, i just want to see if its just the off headache or its going to be multiple migraines. I understand this will be different for each user though.

Cheers for the other link. I'll give it a read a little later its 12pm on sunday here so i gotta go do some shopping for the week.

Its ok just hop in and ask , I can send you my rats results hehe doubt you would like to see how they did on Osta and S4 (quite good results actually but I don't think people like to extrapolate rats to humans as far as results) now as far as bloods , let me look em up i should have them in my bookmarks and if they are still up (since they are in other forums) I'll copy the images of the bloods and try to send them to yah.

 

[WARBIRDWS6]

Regular and effective dose osta is 25mg a day , and needs no SERM , the androseries , if used by themselves with their own stacking ways , only needs the TRS which is like toco-8 , sustain alpha , trf and something else I can't remember...which is good enough...SERMs are for big boy toys , Gears , Methylated or Unmethylated HARD PH/DS , Gear...you know...the "real stuff" not the mild stuff like sarms and PP...

yes I know...that is why I listed them, I was being sarcastic.....

 

[Jahcuree]

Some people just should stay away from chemicals and anabolics until they pass Chem 1 or something...or at least listen to reason...jesus haha

Damn, I guess your right...Patrick Arnold doesn't know **** about chemistry or human physiology.

 

[jbryand101b]

Not cracking because of you , cracking due to many people here chiming in with some nonesense like SERMs for Ostarine. Ok so you did research , lets move this on to PM if you wish , I have at least 10 different logs from people that Osta from around 6 to 14 weeks (different times for everyone) and they come with bloods (most of them) I found no worrying Estriadol concern , indeed it will raise estrogen AFTER you are off from it , but from the test converting to estrogen , not due to receptor messing and overproduction of it...Thats why I recommended the AI and T-booster in PCT , its really all you need , other than MAYBE some OTC painkillers seeing how many people have reported migranes off from it , but they were already prone to them.

Point being , taking an OTC AI WHILE on Osta would not yield much benefit or point , most effective would be to take it in PCT, hop in this thread:
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/201911-androgenic-anabolic-hormones.html

Not only me but Dr.Str8ed (he is one of the most experienced guys with AAS here...) and JB and many more are in there answering questions day and night, ask them in there , Dr himself told me this is correct...and he has more bloods and evidence than I do...Please jump in there or we can move this to PM if you wanna compare data.

I deleted thread, too much off topic stuff.

 

[Celorza]

Damn, I guess your right...Patrick Arnold doesn't know **** about chemistry or human physiology.

Lol when did I say something bad about PA?

 

[Celorza]

I deleted thread, too much off topic stuff.

:'( sad...

 

[Jahcuree]

Lol when did I say something bad about PA?

Damn that neg really hurt big man.

 

[Celorza]

Damn that neg really hurt big man.

That was my training partner lol he was here with me earlier and did that >>!! I'll spread some rep and bump you back up later...usually I don't neg people...unless they are 16y.o. talking PH/DS haha xD , but yeah sorry about that...