Your Melanotan II experience

Hi

I was thinking about running melanotan cycle and I was wondering if anyone has tried and got good results. any long term sides ?

I'm gonna run 1mg till I like my color and then I'll do 2mg a week, is that good ?
 
started off like this

.25/.50/.50/.75/.75/1/1/1/1/0/1/0/1/0 (day by day)

Lets just say im naturally really white (Irish/Greek/German) And by the end of those 2 weeks i swear everywhere i went people were commenting me on how tan i was and people were asking me if i was spanish or puerto rican lmao.

At 1mg a day you get get the side effects pretty bad. Nausea, Heat flashes, etc.
 
hm, I don't want sides so should I just do .50 everyday and 1mg a week when Im happy with the color ?

my parents are from spain and I'm already tan, type 3 skin...
 
quote from melanotanhq:

In order to tan and best avoid Melanotan 2 side effects:
Dose MT-II at 100mcg escalating the dose gradually... 100mcg, 150mcg, 200mcg, 250mcg daily injections decrease sides while maintaining efficacy
 
It lasted me about 2 months, then started to fade gradually.

The point of the melanotan is to get you to the tan level you want, then you just use a once a week injection to keep the color and prevent fading. Trust me, this stuff will get you like black dark. i was a type 1 skin, easily went to a type 4.

The thing is though, the peptide doesnt last very long..i think its like a month of so, if that. so you have to use it quick and constantly reorder, hence why my tan faded. Also, store it in the fridge and make sure your super careful with the vial, shaking it around can break the peptides and it wont work.
 
The thing is though, the peptide doesnt last very long..i think its like a month of so, if that. so you have to use it quick and constantly reorder, hence why my tan faded. Also, store it in the fridge and make sure your super careful with the vial, shaking it around can break the peptides and it wont work.

Disagree with above. Melanotan peptides are very durable, even after reconstitution. Absolutely do not need care beyond common sense/handling.
 
Disagree with above. Melanotan peptides are very durable, even after reconstitution. Absolutely do not need care beyond common sense/handling.

I was always told that after reconstitution it becomes really fragile?
 
This really interests me as I work night-shift.

I'm unsure of my skin type.. I'm pretty fair, but I tan quite easily without burning.. my mum is fair, my father is arab dark... I have an Italian background.. my tan also holds months once I have it .... so I must be a type 3-4 naturally, but as I wake up at 4pm.. It's difficult to get sun!

Anyways, im just concerned with safety? Long term effects? It seems like an interesting compound and as Im natural.. I dont like the thought of pinning much.. and im unsure if the nasel system even works!!!

Anyone seen anymore info on how safe it is?
 
This really interests me as I work night-shift.

I'm unsure of my skin type.. I'm pretty fair, but I tan quite easily without burning.. my mum is fair, my father is arab dark... I have an Italian background.. my tan also holds months once I have it .... so I must be a type 3-4 naturally, but as I wake up at 4pm.. It's difficult to get sun!

Anyways, im just concerned with safety? Long term effects? It seems like an interesting compound and as Im natural.. I dont like the thought of pinning much.. and im unsure if the nasel system even works!!!

Anyone seen anymore info on how safe it is?
Melanotan 2 is likely too potent (or more than you will need/want). MT-1 (Melanotan one) may compliment your skin tone/type. Nasal system does not work, but injects are safe. MT-1 and MT-2 have very different profiles...
Since you tan easy you are likely not the best candidate, I wouldnt hassle with it.
 
Melanotan 2 is likely too potent (or more than you will need/want). MT-1 (Melanotan one) may compliment your skin tone/type. Nasal system does not work, but injects are safe. MT-1 and MT-2 have very different profiles...
Since you tan easy you are likely not the best candidate, I wouldnt hassle with it.

I tan easy too, why is he not the best candidate ? I just don't wanna go to tanning salon, I live in london rite now and the weather is rainy most the time
 
You were misinformed unfortunately. Melanotan II keeps 2-3 months in bacteriostatic water no worries :cool:

can you point me to this information? My personal experience is I did not get the sides I expected after a dose after say the two weekish mark, then start a new vial and get the full blown sides again.

of course this is my own experience and a friends. Peptides are notoriously fragile in bac. So any real research you can point me to would be appreciated.
 
can you point me to this information? My personal experience is I did not get the sides I expected after a dose after say the two weekish mark, then start a new vial and get the full blown sides again.

of course this is my own experience and a friends. Peptides are notoriously fragile in bac. So any real research you can point me to would be appreciated.

from PMID: 20034526
"...stability of the MTII at 37 degrees C for at least 28 days has been documented in literature [11]."

Study highlighted reconstituted MT-II that remained stable at 98 degrees F

I have used 6 month old Melanotan II (and PT-141)...many have without issue - although it is not advisable. All peptides aren't created equal and we all are different.

Markusrulezzz said:
I tan easy too, why is he not the best candidate ? I just don't wanna go to tanning salon, I live in london rite now and the weather is rainy most the time
I think there is greater chance for the peptide to accelerate your pigmentation to where it could look foolish, in particular any sun damage. Dark freckles/moles can complicate things unnecessarily. I may have been a little strong in my caution...however I have been seeing a lot of really dark before/after pics - must learn from others who have made mistakes! A lot of us learn the hard way with MT-2
The folks who cannot tan naturally also see greater efficacy (although msh is so cheap it really isnt a factor outside of dosing/tanning). Melanotan II is a commitment and greater value to those with fair skin. Those who can tan in the sun are taking more of a gamble imho.
 
from PMID: 20034526
"...stability of the MTII at 37 degrees C for at least 28 days has been documented in literature [11]."

Study highlighted reconstituted MT-II that remained stable at 98 degrees F

I have used 6 month old Melanotan II (and PT-141)...many have without issue - although it is not advisable. All peptides aren't created equal and we all are different.


I think there is greater chance for the peptide to accelerate your pigmentation to where it could look foolish, in particular any sun damage. Dark freckles/moles can complicate things unnecessarily. I may have been a little strong in my caution...however I have been seeing a lot of really dark before/after pics - must learn from others who have made mistakes! A lot of us learn the hard way with MT-2
The folks who cannot tan naturally also see greater efficacy (although msh is so cheap it really isnt a factor outside of dosing/tanning). Melanotan II is a commitment and greater value to those with fair skin. Those who can tan in the sun are taking more of a gamble imho.

I searched that exact phrase and it is a verbatim copy and paste on every last forum without the actual reference to the source material. Do you have the full study by chance with the references? Just wondering what reference 11 is so i can read what they had to say. I don't have access to that full study.
 
courtesy dat

Do you have the full study by chance with the references? Just wondering what reference 11 is so i can read what they had to say. I don't have access to that full study.

Intermittent MTII application evokes repeated anorexia and robust fat and weight loss, Yi Zhang, Peptides xxx (2010)

Abstract

Central melanocortins (MC) evoke potent but transient anorectic responses with tachyphylaxis developing within days. We hypothesized that intermittent therapy using the MC analog, melanotan II (MTII), would minimize the tachyphylaxis and enhance the long-term efficacy of MTII treatment. F344/ BN rats were infused with MTII or vehicle into the lateral ventricle by mini pump for 14 days. Half the MTII-infused rats were then given vehicle (MTII-On/Off), while the remaining received fresh MTII (MTIIOn) for 10 days. Finally, pumps in both groups were replaced with ones containing fresh MTII for an additional 6 days. The first MTII application induced a 30% food reduction that attenuated within 5 days. Reapplication of MTII in MTII-On/Off rats, after the off period, invoked a new and equally robust anorectic response while continuation of MTII supplement in the MTII-On group did not change food intake from the control level. Body weights decreased similarly in both MTII groups at termination (day 30). Hypothalamic MC3 receptor, AgRP, and POMC expressions were unchanged, but MC4 receptor expression was diminished by 25%, and adiposity reduced by 80% in both MTII groups. Acetyl-CoA carboxylase 1 phosphorylation was elevated in perirenal fat by over 10 fold with either MTII treatment. In conclusion, intermittent MTII treatment preserves anorectic responses but does not prevent tachyphylaxis, whereas constant MTII application blunts further food response after the initial tachyphylaxis. Either form of MTII administration results in significant weight and adiposity reductions, involving perhaps fatty acid oxidation within specific adipose tissues.


Introduction

The central melanocortin (MC) system is a therapeutic target for treating obesity [4,14,17–19,28]. The principle central melanocortin, alpha-melanocyte simulating hormone (a-MSH), is among a family of bioactive peptides cleaved from a common precursor, pro-opiomelanocortin (POMC) [7]. a-MSH binds to and activates the melanocortin-3 and melanocortin-4 receptors (MC3R and MC4R), the two major central MC receptors involved in homeostatic regulation of food intake and energy expenditure [7].MC3R and MC4R lie downstream of leptin receptor activation [7,25], and central administration of a-MSH or its synthetic analog, melanotan II (MTII), evokes leptin-like anorectic responses that mediate body fat and weight loss in various rodent models of obesity associated with leptin resistance [8,10,18,23,28]. Although, activation of the MC system is able to bypass leptin resistance, following either a-MSH or MTII treatment, there is a rapid attenuation of the suppression in food intake occurring within days, a phenomenon generally described as tachyphylaxis [5,8,11,18,23,28]. This tachyphylaxis probably involves down-regulation of MC3Rs and MC4Rs as well as other compensatory mechanisms that could potentially limit the effectiveness ofmelanocortin agonists in treating chronic obesity [18]. We hypothesize that intermittent central MTII application will minimize this tachyphylaxis and thus, be more effective in reducing weight and adiposity than continuous central MTII infusion. To test this postulate,we infusedMTII into the left lateral ventricle in the brain either continuously or intermittently in lean F344xBN male rats over a 30-day period, and compared selected physiological and biochemical parameters in these animals to those in the vehicle-treated rats.

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Discussion

Central melanocortin a-MSH is one endogenous regulator of energy balance, and its synthetic analog MTII produces robust reductions in food consumption and body weight in lean and obese animals [10,18,23,28]. Typically, tachyphylaxis develops within a week following MTII administration with regards to both the anorectic and energy expenditure responses, potentially limiting the long-term efficacy of MTII as therapeutic modality for reversing obesity [5,11,18,28].

This study was conducted to test our postulate that intermittent MTII therapy would minimize the tachyphylaxis and increase the efficacy of the treatment over that of continuous MTII infusion. After the initial tachyphylaxis to the anorexic response developed within a week following the first application of MTII, the intermittent approach evoked equally strong anorectic response during the second round of MTII application following a withdrawal period. This finding suggests a pliable central melanocortin system capable of rapid desensitization to melanocortin activation and resensitization after the withdrawal of the active compound. The continuous MTII supplement, however, failed to sustain the anorectic effect after the initial tachyphylaxis, which indicates a continued desensitization at least with respect to the anorexic response to constant MC activation.

Despite the obvious difference in energy intake responses between the intermittent and continuous MTII treatments, both regimens produced parallel reductions in body fat and weight in the end. One explanation for this observation could be that the multiple peripheral pump replacements (minor surgeries) and MTII administration prompted an interaction between surgery related stress and MTII. The neuroendocrine milieu induced by the surgical manipulation may render the rats more sensitive to MTII or the continuous MTII presence may subject the animals to unusual vulnerability to the surgical manipulation. The impressive weight loss in the MTII-On rats during the pump 3 phase in the absence of a significant anorectic response seems to concur with these speculations. New experimentation with less surgical complication by using a gentler anesthesia procedure for example, will be required to further evaluate if the intermittent and continuous MTII administrations ultimately produce similar or different physiological and metabolic outcomes. It is unlikely the renewed body weight response in the MTII-On rats upon the third pump change is due to replacement of stale drug with fresh compound (the MTII was residing in pump 2 for 14 days). In fact, the stability of the MTII at 37 degrees C for at least 28 days has been documented in literature [11].

Elevation in both hypothalamic NPY and AgRP expression levels was reported following 8-day peripheral MTII administration in lean or diet-induced obese mice [2]. In our case, the food consumption in all animals was recovering either from the surgical impact or MTII effect by day 30. This may explain the similar neuropeptide POMC and AgRP expression levels observed in the hypothalamus of all three groups. A more quantitative technique such as real-time PCR rather than the relative-quantitative PCR method used in this study could help to evaluate these neuropeptides more accurately. Alternatively, we found a significant reduction in the hypothalamic MC4R expression but not MC3R with both continuous and intermittent MTII treatments. This evidence is consistent with a ligand-induced receptor downregulation, and confirms our previous findings [18]. Whether or not the reduction in MC4R expression specifically mediates the MTII-induced tachyphylaxis requires further investigation. The remarkable adiposity loss at termination with either MTII treatment regimen cannot be fully explained by only a transient reduction in energy intake. Besides suppressing food intake, central administration of a-MSH or MTII is also known to increase energy expenditure by stimulating CNS sympathetic outflow [20,24,27]. The mRNA expression of MC4R, upon which a-MSH or MTII acts, has been identified in many brain regions implicated in lipid mobilization/metabolism, including the hypothalamic paraventricular nucleus, arcuate nucleus and dorsomedial nuclei [13,26]. Conceivably, the melanocortins can stimulate fat oxidation via a direct central modulation of the sympathetic outflow to white adipose tissue through the MC4R. In the current study, we examined phosphorylation of acetyl-CoA carboxylase 1 at Ser-79 in perirenal fat depot. Enriched in liver, adipose and lactating mammary tissues, the activity of ACC1 is finely regulated by hormone-dependent phosphorylation and dephosphorylation [3,12] and is the rate-limiting step for intracellular fatty acid synthesis [3,12]. An increase in P-ACC1 suppresses ACC1 activity, leading to decreased fatty acid synthesis. We found P-ACC1 was highly elevated in both the PWAT and RTWAT for the two MTIIinfused groups compared to that in the control rats. These data are indicative of a suppression of lipid synthesis in certain white adipose tissues and provide one potential mechanism underlying the MTII-mediated dramatic fat reduction. Other information in literature suggests that the central melanocortin system could enhance insulin sensitivity independent of energy intake at the level of white adipose tissue, liver and possibly muscle in rodents [1,9,21]. Therefore, MTII may decrease adiposity via broad periphery insulin action separate from any MTII-related impact on energy balance, even though this possibility was not examined in our experiment. Previous reports note that MTII administration in rodents elevates brown fat thermogenesis assessed as an increase in BAT UCP1 expression [6,18,27]. We did not detect an enhancement in UCP1 protein levels in BAT in either of the MTII groups. This result may be related to the long-term nature of this study.

In conclusion, we demonstrate that intermittent MTII application successfully preserves MTII’s anorectic effect, but fails to reduce or avoid tachyphylaxis during periods when MTII is present. The continuous MTII treatment, as expected, induces an initial tachyphylaxis that persists throughout the treatment period. Both MTII application paradigms result in a remarkable and sustained weight and fat loss. The potent fat dissolution in response to MTII seems to at least involve enhanced lipid metabolism in specific fat depots.
 
This is a study on the anorexia attributes of MTII and references another study for it's stance on durability. Those are not listed below. It is reference 11 if you have the references, if not, oh well. Just wanted to see the steps they took to evaluate the stability.

Intermittent MTII application evokes repeated anorexia and robust fat and weight loss, Yi Zhang, Peptides xxx (2010)

Abstract

Central melanocortins (MC) evoke potent but transient anorectic responses with tachyphylaxis developing within days. We hypothesized that intermittent therapy using the MC analog, melanotan II (MTII), would minimize the tachyphylaxis and enhance the long-term efficacy of MTII treatment. F344/ BN rats were infused with MTII or vehicle into the lateral ventricle by mini pump for 14 days. Half the MTII-infused rats were then given vehicle (MTII-On/Off), while the remaining received fresh MTII (MTIIOn) for 10 days. Finally, pumps in both groups were replaced with ones containing fresh MTII for an additional 6 days. The first MTII application induced a 30% food reduction that attenuated within 5 days. Reapplication of MTII in MTII-On/Off rats, after the off period, invoked a new and equally robust anorectic response while continuation of MTII supplement in the MTII-On group did not change food intake from the control level. Body weights decreased similarly in both MTII groups at termination (day 30). Hypothalamic MC3 receptor, AgRP, and POMC expressions were unchanged, but MC4 receptor expression was diminished by 25%, and adiposity reduced by 80% in both MTII groups. Acetyl-CoA carboxylase 1 phosphorylation was elevated in perirenal fat by over 10 fold with either MTII treatment. In conclusion, intermittent MTII treatment preserves anorectic responses but does not prevent tachyphylaxis, whereas constant MTII application blunts further food response after the initial tachyphylaxis. Either form of MTII administration results in significant weight and adiposity reductions, involving perhaps fatty acid oxidation within specific adipose tissues.


Introduction

The central melanocortin (MC) system is a therapeutic target for treating obesity [4,14,17–19,28]. The principle central melanocortin, alpha-melanocyte simulating hormone (a-MSH), is among a family of bioactive peptides cleaved from a common precursor, pro-opiomelanocortin (POMC) [7]. a-MSH binds to and activates the melanocortin-3 and melanocortin-4 receptors (MC3R and MC4R), the two major central MC receptors involved in homeostatic regulation of food intake and energy expenditure [7].MC3R and MC4R lie downstream of leptin receptor activation [7,25], and central administration of a-MSH or its synthetic analog, melanotan II (MTII), evokes leptin-like anorectic responses that mediate body fat and weight loss in various rodent models of obesity associated with leptin resistance [8,10,18,23,28]. Although, activation of the MC system is able to bypass leptin resistance, following either a-MSH or MTII treatment, there is a rapid attenuation of the suppression in food intake occurring within days, a phenomenon generally described as tachyphylaxis [5,8,11,18,23,28]. This tachyphylaxis probably involves down-regulation of MC3Rs and MC4Rs as well as other compensatory mechanisms that could potentially limit the effectiveness ofmelanocortin agonists in treating chronic obesity [18]. We hypothesize that intermittent central MTII application will minimize this tachyphylaxis and thus, be more effective in reducing weight and adiposity than continuous central MTII infusion. To test this postulate,we infusedMTII into the left lateral ventricle in the brain either continuously or intermittently in lean F344xBN male rats over a 30-day period, and compared selected physiological and biochemical parameters in these animals to those in the vehicle-treated rats.

...
...

Discussion

Central melanocortin a-MSH is one endogenous regulator of energy balance, and its synthetic analog MTII produces robust reductions in food consumption and body weight in lean and obese animals [10,18,23,28]. Typically, tachyphylaxis develops within a week following MTII administration with regards to both the anorectic and energy expenditure responses, potentially limiting the long-term efficacy of MTII as therapeutic modality for reversing obesity [5,11,18,28].

This study was conducted to test our postulate that intermittent MTII therapy would minimize the tachyphylaxis and increase the efficacy of the treatment over that of continuous MTII infusion. After the initial tachyphylaxis to the anorexic response developed within a week following the first application of MTII, the intermittent approach evoked equally strong anorectic response during the second round of MTII application following a withdrawal period. This finding suggests a pliable central melanocortin system capable of rapid desensitization to melanocortin activation and resensitization after the withdrawal of the active compound. The continuous MTII supplement, however, failed to sustain the anorectic effect after the initial tachyphylaxis, which indicates a continued desensitization at least with respect to the anorexic response to constant MC activation.

Despite the obvious difference in energy intake responses between the intermittent and continuous MTII treatments, both regimens produced parallel reductions in body fat and weight in the end. One explanation for this observation could be that the multiple peripheral pump replacements (minor surgeries) and MTII administration prompted an interaction between surgery related stress and MTII. The neuroendocrine milieu induced by the surgical manipulation may render the rats more sensitive to MTII or the continuous MTII presence may subject the animals to unusual vulnerability to the surgical manipulation. The impressive weight loss in the MTII-On rats during the pump 3 phase in the absence of a significant anorectic response seems to concur with these speculations. New experimentation with less surgical complication by using a gentler anesthesia procedure for example, will be required to further evaluate if the intermittent and continuous MTII administrations ultimately produce similar or different physiological and metabolic outcomes. It is unlikely the renewed body weight response in the MTII-On rats upon the third pump change is due to replacement of stale drug with fresh compound (the MTII was residing in pump 2 for 14 days). In fact, the stability of the MTII at 37 degrees C for at least 28 days has been documented in literature [11].

Elevation in both hypothalamic NPY and AgRP expression levels was reported following 8-day peripheral MTII administration in lean or diet-induced obese mice [2]. In our case, the food consumption in all animals was recovering either from the surgical impact or MTII effect by day 30. This may explain the similar neuropeptide POMC and AgRP expression levels observed in the hypothalamus of all three groups. A more quantitative technique such as real-time PCR rather than the relative-quantitative PCR method used in this study could help to evaluate these neuropeptides more accurately. Alternatively, we found a significant reduction in the hypothalamic MC4R expression but not MC3R with both continuous and intermittent MTII treatments. This evidence is consistent with a ligand-induced receptor downregulation, and confirms our previous findings [18]. Whether or not the reduction in MC4R expression specifically mediates the MTII-induced tachyphylaxis requires further investigation. The remarkable adiposity loss at termination with either MTII treatment regimen cannot be fully explained by only a transient reduction in energy intake. Besides suppressing food intake, central administration of a-MSH or MTII is also known to increase energy expenditure by stimulating CNS sympathetic outflow [20,24,27]. The mRNA expression of MC4R, upon which a-MSH or MTII acts, has been identified in many brain regions implicated in lipid mobilization/metabolism, including the hypothalamic paraventricular nucleus, arcuate nucleus and dorsomedial nuclei [13,26]. Conceivably, the melanocortins can stimulate fat oxidation via a direct central modulation of the sympathetic outflow to white adipose tissue through the MC4R. In the current study, we examined phosphorylation of acetyl-CoA carboxylase 1 at Ser-79 in perirenal fat depot. Enriched in liver, adipose and lactating mammary tissues, the activity of ACC1 is finely regulated by hormone-dependent phosphorylation and dephosphorylation [3,12] and is the rate-limiting step for intracellular fatty acid synthesis [3,12]. An increase in P-ACC1 suppresses ACC1 activity, leading to decreased fatty acid synthesis. We found P-ACC1 was highly elevated in both the PWAT and RTWAT for the two MTIIinfused groups compared to that in the control rats. These data are indicative of a suppression of lipid synthesis in certain white adipose tissues and provide one potential mechanism underlying the MTII-mediated dramatic fat reduction. Other information in literature suggests that the central melanocortin system could enhance insulin sensitivity independent of energy intake at the level of white adipose tissue, liver and possibly muscle in rodents [1,9,21]. Therefore, MTII may decrease adiposity via broad periphery insulin action separate from any MTII-related impact on energy balance, even though this possibility was not examined in our experiment. Previous reports note that MTII administration in rodents elevates brown fat thermogenesis assessed as an increase in BAT UCP1 expression [6,18,27]. We did not detect an enhancement in UCP1 protein levels in BAT in either of the MTII groups. This result may be related to the long-term nature of this study.

In conclusion, we demonstrate that intermittent MTII application successfully preserves MTII’s anorectic effect, but fails to reduce or avoid tachyphylaxis during periods when MTII is present. The continuous MTII treatment, as expected, induces an initial tachyphylaxis that persists throughout the treatment period. Both MTII application paradigms result in a remarkable and sustained weight and fat loss. The potent fat dissolution in response to MTII seems to at least involve enhanced lipid metabolism in specific fat depots.
 
Here are some recent studies. All of these should be on EBCSOhost or another academic journal database of similar volume...

Use of Melanotan I and II on general populations

Evans-Brown M, Dawson RT, Chandler M, McVeigh J, BMJ (Clinical Research Ed.) [BMJ], ISSN: 1468-5833, 2009 Feb 17; Vol. 338, pp. b566; PMID: 19224885

And for ED/Viagra type stuff...

Kimura Y, Naitou Y, Wanibuchi F, Yamaguchi T, European Journal Of Pharmacology [Eur J Pharmacol], ISSN: 0014-2999, 2008 Jul 28; Vol. 589 (1-3), pp. 157-62; PMID: 18582863

Giuliano, F.; Clément, P.; Droupy, S.; Alexandre, L.; Bernabé, J.. Neuroscience, May2006, Vol. 138 Issue 1, p293-301, 9p; DOI: 10.1016/j.neuroscience.2005.11.008

MTII as a Female Viagra study...
Anne-Sophie; Pfaus, James G.; Kia, Hossein Kami; Bernabé, Jacques; Alexandre, Laurent; Giuliano, François. Pharmacology, Biochemistry & Behavior, Nov2006, Vol. 85 Issue 3, p514-521, 8p; DOI: 10.1016/j.pbb.2006.09.023

The only thing Ive seen on MT or MTII stability aside form some of the issues discussed in these was in a 1995 study.. way too old to be considered IMO.
 
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