Would this be insane?

TheTom

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Do you guys think running 1,4dione at 2400mg a day, as a stand alone, for strictly lean mass gains, would be a horrible idea?

I can get an insanely cheap deal on this stuff from a friend who is overstocked, and I thought I'd do some hardcore experimenting :D
 
lol, I thought it was crazy. I'd be getting it for around 1.75-2$ a gram.

So although it's a crazy idea, @4$ a day or so, it wouldn't be hurting me financially.

Also, I forgot to mention it would be taken orally.
 
I know it would be orally, but I still think it is a lot. Your appetite would sure be through the roof though.
 
Damn Tom, thats a good deal on 1,4 andro. I think half that dose (1200mg) would be good as a stand alone. I just finished using 1,4 ad transdermally (400mg a day) along with 1-test and 4ad with good results. Ran it alone the last 2wks of my cycle @ 750mg a day.
 
How was it @750mg a day for 2 weeks? Any noticeable body comp changes?

The only reason I was thinking of such a high dosage was because I got an opportunity to get it cheaper than normal.

But if I can do half the dose, for the same gains, twice as long... we'll, that would probably be smarter.
 
a friend of mine used 1800mg/day along with 1test-cyp and transdermal 4-ad and had some pretty sick results in terms of strength and size. Then his dumb ass started shooting the 1-test cyp every day (300mg) and he complained to me that he was losing a lot of hair. That was after his 1,4 and 4-ad ran out. He's new to bodybuilding and I was giving him advice but i cut him off because he stopped listening to me so I figure I'll let him **** himself.
 
TheTom said:
How was it @750mg a day for 2 weeks? Any noticeable body comp changes?

The only reason I was thinking of such a high dosage was because I got an opportunity to get it cheaper than normal.

But if I can do half the dose, for the same gains, twice as long... we'll, that would probably be smarter.
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The 2wks @ 750mg (trans) was good, but didn't cut me up like some claim. I did get more vascular...in the traps, shoulders, chest and arms.....legs looked a little better also, especially calves, they aren't bigger but do look better. I got an overall leaner/harder look. As for the abdominal area, well I'm just fat (20%) lol! that didn't change a bit. I look thicker all over, I just wish the midsection wouldn't expand. I gain BF easy in that area.....it sux!

I hadn't tried it oral, which might make a difference, since it is very active orally. Also appetite was high through the whole cycle. I ate like a horse.
 
Very cool.

Any differences in mood?

I've heard some people comment on feeling more "alert" or having an increased sense of well being.
 
TheTom said:
Very cool.

Any differences in mood?

I've heard some people comment on feeling more "alert" or having an increased sense of well being.
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No noticeable difference in mood, just an awsome appetite. Although I do remember feeling 'good/positive' through my whole cycle. Looking in the mirror also helped with confidence.
 
EDIT: first wait for Chemo or others to answer!

Sounds interesting.

My last cycle had just a tiny amount of 1,4ad , like 75mg stacked with 750 mg 4AD (both oral). I really didn't notice an appetite increase but my mood was f'ing great! I was just a supercharged, energetic nice guy. Very different from the baseline personality, lol.

Maybe go the safer route and at least start with 500-1000 mgs. If you're feeling comfortable maybe up it incrementally to 2000 or so. If you keel over or turn into a huge green mutant please let us know.

Isn't there some potential estrogenicity with 1,4 ad ione?
 
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