what do you think of this supp for healthy energy and focus?

redman24 said:
you take things out of context. i did not mention the ingredients in this supp in regards to performance. i mentioned which ingredients caused significant performance increases pre-workout, which occured when the ingredients where introduced as whatever aas where a constant and therefore did not provide any out of the ordinary strength gains anymore. you dont keep gaining several reps per workout when you have been on aas for for months or years.

the ingredients i mentioned were lc-fumarate, ubiquinol, shilajit and some others. also you keep talking about alcar, caffeine and b vits but forget the pterostilben which is at least as potent as a nutrient patitioner as c3g which is even underdosed.

all the nootropics and stims you mention have two problems. nootropics might work for one but make another feel ****. some love choline forms and others get brainfog. you cannot predict an effect and you will never know what is going on at which receptor with which neurotransmitter and what results or consequences this may have in the long run. there is great potential for long term-sides. stimulants like j.regia, eria jarensis or ampiberry burn out the cns and are therefore bad for brain function long term. you are comparing acute effects which may be stronger of unhealthy supplements to something that will have countless longterm benefits.

i bench rowed 410lbs. it means lying on a bench with the barbell underrneath and pulling it towards you, like reverse bench press. i also dumbbell rowed 220lbs for reps easily and once did a set with 260 pounds. i did pullups with 140 pounds added weight.
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I take things out of context? I'm choking on the irony. I'm not going to sit here and "debate" with you that pterostilben is going to have a drastic effect on body composition and performance in the context of a pre-workout, and you still haven't explained to me why rhodiola is a "stone age" supplement that doesn't work. Of course not every supplement will work for everyone; hell, some people don't respond well to ALCAR (which also has effects on choline), so there goes that "criticism" of the other nootropics. Frankly, it's not even worth arguing with you if you really think your combination of caffeine/pterostilben, ALCAR, and B-Vitamins is going to provide better cognitive enhancement, short or long term, than some of these other nootropics in healthy young individuals. You mention acute vs chronic effects, and single out choline, but, ironically, research has shown that choline actually is MORE effective with continued use, not less. The same obviously goes for bacopa. Not all of the products I mentioned even have exotic stimulants, so there goes that argument as well. Finally, if you "can't predict an effect and you will never know what is going on," doesn't that also apply to your formula, or are you somehow the ONLY one who can know these things?

Honestly, this thread is getting ridiculous, and you still haven't adequately answered many of my questions, or supported half of your claims, instead telling me that they must work because you're stronger than Ronnie Coleman. Shouldn't you put something in your signature if you're going to be creating threads to promote/shill your products?
 
and not to be rude but i used to do the same but at your stage of training you do not benefit from supplements much. why a preworkout? so you can increase your barbell row from 180 to 185? at that training level you wouldn't know if it was willpower or not. if you have been stuck on 400 pounds for a year and a supp helps you do 410 then thats something unlikely attrributable to placebo.

now you will tell me that i have no idea about your training but you look like 1 year natural, 2 years max. i trained naturally for 5 years and did 90 pound chinups and 130 pound dumbell rows before i started on aas.

since you were only interested in arguing and keep dwelling on a study about the two forms of alcar, while ignoring the complexity of the product on a whole (forget pterostilbene again), i can only come to the conclusion that you are a confrontational pseudointllectual who may have just started university and is no older than 22. i remember that age and so i cant be annoyed at you as you havent reached the point where you realize that while you though you may be smarter than someone older, you were just a kid. looking back at being 20 i was a smart 20 year old. however i was also a little kid.

should you be older then thats not good as you have not yet learned to take your ego less seriously. you witing here is not improving anyones day or life so why not leave it? you think the supp is nothing special so you don't need to waste your time conveying that repeatedly.
 
redman24 said:
btw slinmax is so obviously copied off of recompagen. na-r-ala and agmatine in one supp was never done before recompagen. weeks later there it is...
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Were you the first company to utilise na-r-ala in a supplement for this purpose? Or agmatine?

If not, recompagen so obviously copied those companies and included them.

Cmon man.

I absolutely hate when people sell B vitamins as energy providing. They absolutely, 100% do not provide energy. Berrocca and other brands get away with it because they help release energy from foods - but most diets are not deficient in B vitamins, with the exception of those that exclude meat and do not supplement with b-12
 
redman24 said:
and not to be rude but i used to do the same but at your stage of training you do not benefit from supplements much. why a preworkout? so you can increase your barbell row from 180 to 185? at that training level you wouldn't know if it was willpower or not. if you have been stuck on 400 pounds for a year and a supp helps you do 410 then thats something unlikely attrributable to placebo.

now you will tell me that i have no idea about your training but you look like 1 year natural, 2 years max. i trained naturally for 5 years and did 90 pound chinups and 130 pound dumbell rows before i started on aas.

since you were only interested in arguing and keep dwelling on a study about the two forms of alcar, while ignoring the complexity of the product on a whole (forget pterostilbene again), i can only come to the conclusion that you are a confrontational pseudointllectual who may have just started university and is no older than 22. i remember that age and so i cant be annoyed at you as you havent reached the point where you realize that while you though you may be smarter than someone older, you were just a kid. looking back at being 20 i was a smart 20 year old. however i was also a little kid.

should you be older then thats not good as you have not yet learned to take your ego less seriously. you witing here is not improving anyones day or life so why not leave it? you think the supp is nothing special so you don't need to waste your time conveying that repeatedly.
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I'm the "psuedointellectual," but you're the one using the phrase psuedointellectual, and the one who was kind enough to give me an online diagnosis of high dopamine. You're managing to use almost every type of fallacious logic, so I'm actually pretty impressed. Congratulations on your lifts and strength, but I've also done chinups with 90lbs on a weight belt and I've never touched AAS, so, once again, congratulations my friend. Do you want a cookie or a pat on the back? I'm not sure what how much we lift has to do with this though. If I bring in the world's strongest man and he says something about ingredient X, will you automatically believe him because he's stronger than you? I wasn't only harping on ALCAR, I asked you about your nonsensical claims about "stone age" ingredients like rhodiola, your claims about B-Vitamins and the populations that they'll have benefits for, and likely a few other things I'm forgetting in this mess of a thread. The "complexity" of the product? It's a novel form of caffeine (great, we get it), ALCAR, and B-Vitamins. It's not rocket science, and your criticism of other nootropics should also apply to yours as well. Let us not forget the plethora of logical fallacies and name calling on your part as well.
 
now you start with selective perception and using arguments based on something i supposedly said but never did. i said exogenous choline sources and generally exogenous increases or reuptake inhibitions of neurotransmitters are completely different than the donation of an acetyl group to naturally form acetylcholine.
also you really think most people here are healthy? almost everyone these days, including or especially athletes are incredibly unhealthy and people have chronic illnesses now starting in their youth. i am sure there are a lot of people here who have significant health issues.

anyway, im out. you are not someone who has positive intentions towards others in general and it has nothing to do with me but with your unconscious problems. and yes, its called unconscious, subconscious is not a real word.
 
redman24 said:
now you start with selective perception and using arguments based on something i supposedly said but never did. i said exogenous choline sources and generally exogenous increases or reuptake inhibitions of neurotransmitters are completely different than the donation of an acetyl group to naturally form acetylcholine.
also you really think most people here are healthy? almost everyone these days, including or especially athletes are incredibly unhealthy and people have chronic illnesses now starting in their youth. i am sure there are a lot of people here who have significant health issues.

anyway, im out. you are not someone who has positive intentions towards others in general and it has nothing to do with me but with your unconscious problems. and yes, its called unconscious, subconscious is not a real word.
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Really, you apparently don't even know what "healthy" means in the context in which I'm using it.

I don't have positive intentions towards others in general? I've been posting here, helping others, answering questions, etc well before I worked for any company, and continue to help others, even regarding issues that have nothing to do with supplements associated with the company I work for. Again, way to judge people. Your closing comment is saying that subconscious isn't a real word, while simultaneously being an unsolicited e-therapist, but I'm the psuedointellectual? Wow. I think we're done here.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Really, you apparently don't even know what "healthy" means in the context in which I'm using it.

I don't have positive intentions towards others in general? I've been posting here, helping others, answering questions, etc well before I worked for any company, and continue to help others, even regarding issues that have nothing to do with supplements associated with the company I work for. Again, way to judge people. Your closing comment is saying that subconscious isn't a real word, while simultaneously being an unsolicited e-therapist, but I'm the psuedointellectual? Wow. I think we're done here.
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Do you even intellect bro?
 
Woody said:
Do you even intellect bro?
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Nope, I'm just a "1 year natural, confrontational pseudointllectual who may have just started university who has not yet learned to take my ego less seriously and doesn't have positive intentions towards others in general due to problems in my unconscious mind."

Oh, and I also apparently have high dopamine. I learned so much from e-doctor/therapist Ronnie today!
 
redman24 said:
before you ask for studies. i used these substances while cutting to 6%bf, training full body twice daily and incresing my strength by 1-2 reps on every exercise every workout. i wont mention numbers because you wont believe me when i tell you i moved more wight than ronnie coleman on back exercises while weighiing 190 lbs. only matt kroc was slightly stronger.
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Who are you?? Janae Kroc (as Matt), totaled 2552 at 220...if you are anywhere near that strong, you would rewrite the record books. There's one 181 who has totaled above 2400, and no 165s anywhere even remotely close to that (and while 190 -> 165 is a horrible cut, it's also a possible one and I would think well worth it to destroy record books that way). And even if you're a raw guy, Pollack took the US Open with 1885 @ 181...I would think that as Matt, Kroc would have been able to lift more than that...you could have taken home $40,000. I truly hope you compete, and if you don't, please start because anyone only slightly weaker than Kroc who walks around at 190 would be some interesting stuff to see.
 
VO2Maxima said:
Who are you?? Janae Kroc (as Matt), totaled 2552 at 220...if you are anywhere near that strong, you would rewrite the record books. There's one 181 who has totaled above 2400, and no 165s anywhere even remotely close to that (and while 190 -> 165 is a horrible cut, it's also a possible one and I would think well worth it to destroy record books that way). And even if you're a raw guy, Pollack took the US Open with 1885 @ 181...I would think that as Matt, Kroc would have been able to lift more than that...you could have taken home $40,000. I truly hope you compete, and if you don't, please start because anyone only slightly weaker than Kroc who walks around at 190 would be some interesting stuff to see.
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How dare you question his claims! Be careful, he'll diagnosis you if you disagree with him.
 
redman24 said:
Also, are you saying that citrulline, nitrates, PeakO2, rhodiola, etc, don't actually increase performance? How can you say that and still claim to care about science? Please, show me studies where pterostilbene or B-Vitamins improve exercise performance more than citrulline, nitrates, rhodiola, etc. You say that ALL supplements on the market are flawed, but you've created the perfect formula that is beyond reproach? Ok...

those substances are stone age man. they are herbs, supps...its time fo nutraceuticals o call them whatever, products occuring in nature with pharmacological action but no or insignificant sides. better than supps and medicine.
rhodiola? if herbal extracts then ashwaghanda, preferably ksm-66, aurora blue, bsm-95 curcumin, pomegranate extract.
well, lc-fumarate increases performance drastically, citrulline honestly is the useles part of CM. malic acid improves performance much more than citrulline. ubiquinol and shilajit, pyruvate (only when bound to a specific molecule) enhance performance and pureneregy in high doses is a stimulant which will not damage the cns yet give plenty of energy pwo. core knows purenergy is great, they are a good company. but using 400mg makes the product costly, thats why they combine it with normal caffeine.
before you ask for studies. i used these substances while cutting to 6%bf, training full body twice daily and incresing my strength by 1-2 reps on every exercise every workout. i wont mention numbers because you wont believe me when i tell you i moved more wight than ronnie coleman on back exercises while weighiing 190 lbs. only matt kroc was slightly stronger.
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LOL WHUT.
 
WTF did I just read?
 
redman24 said:
now you start with selective perception and using arguments based on something i supposedly said but never did. i said exogenous choline sources and generally exogenous increases or reuptake inhibitions of neurotransmitters are completely different than the donation of an acetyl group to naturally form acetylcholine.
also you really think most people here are healthy? almost everyone these days, including or especially athletes are incredibly unhealthy and people have chronic illnesses now starting in their youth. i am sure there are a lot of people here who have significant health issues.

anyway, im out. you are not someone who has positive intentions towards others in general and it has nothing to do with me but with your unconscious problems. and yes, its called unconscious, subconscious is not a real word.
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Subconcious is a real word. Hence it being in the dictionary.

subconscious
sʌbˈkɒn(t)ʃəs/
adjective
1.
of or concerning the part of the mind of which one is not fully aware but which influences one's actions and feelings.
"my subconscious fear"
synonyms: unconscious, latent, suppressed, repressed, subliminal, unfulfilled, dormant, hidden, concealed, underlying, innermost, deep, intuitive, instinctive, innate, involuntary; informalbottled up
"dreams reflect a person's subconscious desires"
noun
1.
the subconscious part of the mind (not in technical use in psychoanalysis, where unconscious is preferred).
"uncertainties were lurking around the edge of her subconscious"
synonyms: unconscious mind, mind, imagination, inner self, innermost self, self, inner man/woman, psyche, ego, superego, id, true being, essential nature
"the creative powers of the subconscious"
 
Jiigzz said:
Subconcious is a real word. Hence it being in the dictionary.

subconscious
sʌbˈkɒn(t)ʃəs/
adjective
1.
of or concerning the part of the mind of which one is not fully aware but which influences one's actions and feelings.
"my subconscious fear"
synonyms:unconscious, latent, suppressed, repressed, subliminal, unfulfilled, dormant, hidden, concealed, underlying, innermost, deep, intuitive, instinctive, innate, involuntary; informalbottled up
"dreams reflect a person's subconscious desires"
noun
1.
the subconscious part of the mind (not in technical use in psychoanalysis, where unconscious is preferred).
"uncertainties were lurking around the edge of her subconscious"
synonyms:unconscious mind, mind, imagination, inner self, innermost self, self, inner man/woman, psyche, ego, superego, id, true being, essential nature
"the creative powers of the subconscious"
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You just have high dopamine and like to argue. ;)
 
I don't understand why this guy constantly does this stuff to himself. Thinking of poop formulas and getting mad when people want a reasonable explanation behind the thought process that got him to it. This time, he put it one step further and claimed he is stronger than Ronnie Coleman at 100 lbs less. Priceless! lol
 
Jiigzz said:
Subconcious is a real word. Hence it being in the dictionary.

subconscious
sʌbˈkɒn(t)ʃəs/
adjective
1.
of or concerning the part of the mind of which one is not fully aware but which influences one's actions and feelings.
"my subconscious fear"
synonyms:unconscious, latent, suppressed, repressed, subliminal, unfulfilled, dormant, hidden, concealed, underlying, innermost, deep, intuitive, instinctive, innate, involuntary; informalbottled up
"dreams reflect a person's subconscious desires"
noun
1.
the subconscious part of the mind (not in technical use in psychoanalysis, where unconscious is preferred).
"uncertainties were lurking around the edge of her subconscious"
synonyms:unconscious mind, mind, imagination, inner self, innermost self, self, inner man/woman, psyche, ego, superego, id, true being, essential nature
"the creative powers of the subconscious"
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Bro, the dictionary isn't real.
 
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