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[TobyTwo]

I'm sick of seeing this bull about. "No test no cycle". At his body fat deca would be perfect for 14 weeks. I'm chugging along just fine at 300mg e5d of JUST DECA. Pounded the hell out of my girl the last few nights in a row too so don't drop the deca prick mumbojumbo.

Since deca aromatizes at 20% the rate of test and body fat doesn't cause more e2 to aromatize it's literally perfect. If the anabolic bible and dr llewellyn suggest it or lay it out in their books I say one would be fine to follow it.

However op your better off hiring a nutrition coach and hitting up some ECA or ECY. A coach will get you lean quick. Look at bossbody.net they always do good work. There's a few other guys around here that may help you as well. The results from proper nutrition are far greater than the results from gear.

Thank you superbeast668,

The common denominator in this thread revolves nutrition and the sense that the result will not come easily. My macros are on point and have been for 8 months now and the amount of exercise (5 days cardio 2 hitt 3 steady) should in my opinion be adequate. But my patience is getting the best of me. Frustration is setting in and the light at the end of the tunnel is seems farther away than I expected. I will be taking most of these guys advice with a intent to learn as much as possible. Thank you for all your help.

 

[Mystere3]

If I were in your situation I would run GW 501156 at 20 mg in two divided doses and S4 at 50-75 mg a day in one preworkout dose. IMO that'd be better for cutting than running deca at that bf %. Along with ECG you'd take fat off ridiculously fast. If you wanted, you could add osta and clen/t3 if your bp would allow that.

 

[infraredline]

Thank you infraredline,

Is their a test u would recommend?
And what do you mean by just a trt dosage?

I would say cypionate, approach it like you were on TRT so injections either once per week or Monday Thursday injections. The point is literally just to maintain regular test levels in the mid to upper range of the spectrum. What people don't realize is a lot of sides will come from not having all that much regular testosterone during cycle, regular testosterone is very important in a lot of bodily processes.