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[CroLifter]

Wow! That's really extreme! I've never gotten anything like that. Even at 6iu HGH and 25mg MK before bed for a few days (I stopped the MK because of anxiety issues) I didn't get unmanageable hypo. I always pin after my workout though, not before. I'm thinking of I pinned before, the hypo would be worse. Maybe try taking the MK at the end of your workout?

I guess it messes with my insulin sensitivity a lot. So when i down a pwo shake with dextrose body pumps out tons of insulin and i crash. Like i said a colleague of mine who pins slin had sinilar experiences when he took to much.

Like i said i am a great responder to mk. I get benefits from it that most of you ascribe to taking 3-4 iu of gh daily. Hence i am not really looking to use gh to get "more" gains as i am already pretty content with mk results. I am getting all the fullness, pumps and even fat loss that people say it takes 4 iu to see! And just look at what a fraction of the cost compared to gh i get those results.

But the price i pay are the prolactin sides, mainly completely absent libido and numb penis, which i can mostly cope with as i am single currently, but it sucks when opportunity presents itself lol and you are like nah i would rather watch some youtube videos and go to sleep rather than visit that chick lol.

And its weird. Your conscious mind "wants to", but you "cant", if you know what i am saying,
So I simply want to see if i can have those benefits without prolactin sides that mk brings to me and then decide if its worth it or not.


So in other words @Jinsun i am eagerly awaiting your igf 1 bloods

 

[Mathb33]

I guess it messes with my insulin sensitivity a lot. So when i down a pwo shake with dextrose body pumps out tons of insulin and i crash. Like i said a colleague of mine who pins slin had sinilar experiences when he took to much.

Like i said i am a great responder to mk. I get benefits from it that most of you ascribe to taking 3-4 iu of gh daily. Hence i am not really looking to use gh to get "more" gains as i am already pretty content with mk results.

I simply want to see if i can have those benefits without prolactin sides that mk brings to me and then decide if its worth it or not.

So in other words @Jinsun i am eagerly awaiting your igf 1 bloods

Idk if you can hope that you were such a great responders that your mk was = of 3-4 iu a day that’s almost impossible. Unless you have igf and gh bloods but again I doubt it’s possible. High side effects / response doesn’t necessarily = big responder in a good way imo

 

[CroLifter]

Idk if you can hope that you were such a great responders that your mk was = of 3-4 iu a day that’s almost impossible. Unless you have igf and gh bloods but again I doubt it’s possible. High side effects / response doesn’t necessarily = big responder in a good way imo

I need to take bloods to see and settle that once and for all. It woukd be very interesting to see and i may do it but i need to force myself as i am a cheap fuk.

I know what i am seeing. By day 3 i am much fuller and pumps are like they were at 16 yo.

Keep in mind its not unusual for a teen to have 500 igf 1 level. And i believe it takes good 4-5 ius to hit that.

I would be surprised if i was not hitting 350-400 igf from mk.

 

[Jinsun]

Idk if you can hope that you were such a great responders that your mk was = of 3-4 iu a day that’s almost impossible. Unless you have igf and gh bloods but again I doubt it’s possible. High side effects / response doesn’t necessarily = big responder in a good way imo

His IGF1 baseline is around 250. Mk elevates IGF 45 - 50%. So thats around 400. My baseline is 170 and Mk elevated it to 240. Cro is young. Early twenties. We are old.

 

[Mathb33]

His IGF1 baseline is around 250. Mk elevates IGF 45 - 50%. So thats around 400. My baseline is 170 and Mk elevated it to 240. Cro is young. Early twenties. We are old.

On paper yesz The fact remains 4iu should bring you around 500+++Good hgh at least. Something that mk wil never do even if you’re young. If I’m wrong I’d love to see the bloods and be proven wrong

 

[CroLifter]

His IGF1 baseline is around 250. Mk elevates IGF 45 - 50%. So thats around 400. My baseline is 170 and Mk elevated it to 240. Cro is young. Early twenties. We are old.

I think i read In a study that it can boost even up to 70-80% but yes probably majority gets like 50% boost.

Keep in mind my mk is of high quality, @Alchemist11 used it too from the same source, and also spoke highly of it. I remember him saying he went to vacation didnt work out and came back and people were like wtf have you been working out lol

 

[CroLifter]

On paper yesz The fact remains 4iu should bring you around 500+++Good hgh at least. Something that mk wil never do even if you’re young. If I’m wrong I’d love to see the bloods and be proven wrong

Take a look at those igf levels, 500 avg, natty, taking nothing, and as you can see AI lowers them as expected.
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Those are levels of young people in their teens, levels i most likely had when i was 16 yo and the pumps i was getting at the time were on another level which i can nowadays recreate only with gear or mk (or a combo). Mk brings back those pumps even without gear (but i have to keep in mind that higher test levels at that age also contributed to my then much better pumps, as test itself without gh/igf axis produces stupid pumps dose dependently, like most other aas).


So if a 16-18yo can have those levels, its not that far fetched to think a 23 yo could have those levels while using mk


But...bloods would be the only way to tell.

 

[Jinsun]

On paper yesz The fact remains 4iu should bring you around 500+++Good hgh at least. Something that mk wil never do even if you’re young. If I’m wrong I’d love to see the bloods and be proven wrong

No, nothing special about it. Mk raises IGF by 40 - 50% and if your baseline is high, then it will be even higher after Mk. If a 16 yo with a baseline of 500 would take it, his final result would probably be 750 ... : )

Doesn't GH equate usually to 1 IU = 100 IGF?

 

[Jinsun]

I bumped up to 2.5 IU now. Although I slept only app 5h today, the tiredness I'm feeling is unusual, stronger then it should be. Feel like laying down and going to sleep.

 

[Whisky]

But the price i pay are the prolactin sides, mainly completely absent libido and numb penis, which i can mostly cope with as i am single currently, but it sucks when opportunity presents itself lol and you are like nah i would rather watch some youtube videos and go to sleep rather than visit that chick lol.

**** bro, that is quite the price ‘absent libido and numb penis’

for me that would be too high a price by far, it’s like winning the lottery but the money being put in a bank and you can’t spend it.

I guess I come from the viewpoint of being somewhat a sex addict though. Deca will occasionally make it harder for me to cum but I get into a warrior mindset and always get there in the end. Not being able to use my cock at all though......**** dat

 

[CroLifter]

**** bro, that is quite the price ‘absent libido and numb penis’

for me that would be too high a price by far, it’s like winning the lottery but the money being put in a bank and you can’t spend it.

I guess I come from the viewpoint of being somewhat a sex addict though. Deca will occasionally make it harder for me to cum but I get into a warrior mindset and always get there in the end. Not being able to use my cock at all though......**** dat

Yeah man but the low cost of it is alluring and since i have a memory of a goldfish i just keep going back to it lol

Another problem i have with ugl gh is quality storage or handling. Its delicate sensitive to both temp and mechanical movement.

If its anything like ugl hcg its an issue. Ugl hcg in my opinion was never as high of a quality like the one i acquired from the pharmacy. It always seemed to be less potent which i believe is due to poor storage.
And acquiring hcg from the pharmacy is already a huge hassle. I can only have so much female cousins who are trying to get pregnant, are out of town currently and asked me to buy it for them because they need it right away (and there are only so many pharmacies around here )
damn smart a$$ pharmacists! Just give me what i want i pay with cash anyway!

If its the same with gh its going to be a big issue.

 

[Alchemist11]

I think i read In a study that it can boost even up to 70-80% but yes probably majority gets like 50% boost.

Keep in mind my mk is of high quality, @Alchemist11 used it too from the same source, and also spoke highly of it. I remember him saying he went to vacation didnt work out and came back and people were like wtf have you been working out lol

Yup, it was good stuff. 14 days, not one rep of anything, just walking, eating and enjoying. Hell, I didn't even swim much lol
I, myself was in aw also when I came back to the gym. Good Mk or Ghrp can be really beneficial in situations like that

 

[Whisky]

Yeah man but the low cost of it is alluring and since i have a memory of a goldfish i just keep going back to it lol

Another problem i have with ugl gh is quality storage or handling. Its delicate sensitive to both temp and mechanical movement.

If its anything like ugl hcg its an issue. Ugl hcg in my opinion was never as high of a quality like the one i acquired from the pharmacy. It always seemed to be less potent which i believe is due to poor storage.
And acquiring hcg from the pharmacy is already a huge hassle. I can only have so much female cousins who are trying to get pregnant, are out of town currently and asked me to buy it for them because they need it right away (and there are only so many pharmacies around here )
damn smart a$$ pharmacists! Just give me what i want i pay with cash anyway!

If its the same with gh its going to be a big issue.

fortunately my ugl sells pharma hcg....I do prefer anything like that or my ai to be pharma (and my friendly oversees pharmacy is decent for most things).

 

[Mathb33]

Guys stop this madness that mk677 is going to double or more your igf1 levels if you’re young and they’re already high. You’re not going to end up with 750 igf levels when 10iu or growth barely brings you there or not even lol. If a young guys natural TT is 1000 by you guys logic if he goes on 150mg this will add up to his already amazing TT levels and he’s going to end up on 3000 or something? . The Group Of people I’m fortunate enough to train with are pros or national level competitor and none of their blood reach 750 while they’re doing a lot of growth. Mk677 certainly won’t do that just because you’re 22 and your baseline is 250. Bring the bloodwork if you’re up for a talk

 

[Mathb33]

By the way you can quickly find about 10 to 15 bloodworks on Google from 12.5 to 25mg and none of them even surpasses 400.

 

[Alchemist11]

Guys stop this madness that mk677 is going to double or more your igf1 levels if you’re young and they’re already high. You’re not going to end up with 750 igf levels when 10iu or growth barely brings you there or not even lol. If a young guys natural TT is 1000 by you guys logic if he goes on 150mg this will add up to his already amazing TT levels and he’s going to end up on 3000 or something? . The Group Of people I’m fortunate enough to train with are pros or national level competitor and none of their blood reach 750 while they’re doing a lot of growth. Mk677 certainly won’t do that just because you’re 22 and your baseline is 250. Bring the bloodwork if you’re up for a talk

I agree. It is not so high spike of igf in the blood, it is all the glycogen in the muscles and increased apetite that creates anabolic and somewhat muscle sparing environment.

 

[CroLifter]

Guys stop this madness that mk677 is going to double or more your igf1 levels if you’re young and they’re already high. You’re not going to end up with 750 igf levels when 10iu or growth barely brings you there or not even lol. If a young guys natural TT is 1000 by you guys logic if he goes on 150mg this will add up to his already amazing TT levels and he’s going to end up on 3000 or something? . The Group Of people I’m fortunate enough to train with are pros or national level competitor and none of their blood reach 750 while they’re doing a lot of growth. Mk677 certainly won’t do that just because you’re 22 and your baseline is 250. Bring the bloodwork if you’re up for a talk

But i just showed you the bloodwork without mk... young men aged 14-26 average igf level of 500 ng/ml, to achieve that with exo gh you need at least 4 iu. So is it so hard to believe that a 23 yo can have 500 with mk?? When its possible to even have those levels naturally at that age??

Srs man i respect you but i seem to be lost a bit. It clearly shows that baseline is 500 for those young teens, and not 250.


@Alchemist11 yes glycogen is increased significantly upon administration of mk from my experience. I never gained any weight as even though i get hungrier i am a light eater and never overeat, i used to do 24-48hr fasts i can keep up with hunger.

I think any increase in calorie consumption is negated by an increase in metabolism. I routinely run at 37.2C when on mk (you guys overseas i am lazy, so do your conversions).

By day 3 i start getting better pumos and start to see more fullness.

 

[Mathb33]

But i just showed you the bloodwork without mk... young men aged 14-26 average igf level of 500 ng/ml, to achieve that with exo gh you need at least 4 iu. So is it so hard to believe that a 23 yo can have 500 with mk?? When its possible to even have those levels naturally at that age??

Bruh you on crack or something? Average level of igf1 at 18 years old is 374.1 ng/ml and it decreases a few points every year after that. The average for 22-24 years old is between 250 and 325. In what world do you think your igf1 could be naturally in a huge supraphysiological Level?? That’s like saying at 18 years old you could have 1900 TT... btw reaching 500-560 usually requires 5-6 IU...

 

[Mathb33]

Take a look at those igf levels, 500 avg, natty, taking nothing, and as you can see AI lowers them as expected.
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Those are levels of young people in their teens, levels i most likely had when i was 16 yo and the pumps i was getting at the time were on another level which i can nowadays recreate only with gear or mk (or a combo). Mk brings back those pumps even without gear (but i have to keep in mind that higher test levels at that age also contributed to my then much better pumps, as test itself without gh/igf axis produces stupid pumps dose dependently, like most other aas).


So if a 16-18yo can have those levels, its not that far fetched to think a 23 yo could have those levels while using mk


But...bloods would be the only way to tell.

You’re taking a study out of context that’s meant to talk about dosing and effects of aromasin on young men and use it as an explanation of igf1 average levels? No sir. That’s criminally absurd. In every book , medecine and whatnot the average igf1 levels at 18 years old is far from that. You’re a smart man cro don’t be delusional. You’ve always read what you WANTED to see instead of what’s really on that paper

 

[Mathb33]

Out of all the blood works I’ve seen (I’m hoping you guys took enough time to even go look at blood works) the jump in igf1 levels from mk677 was a few points. People would go from 245 to 275. 300 to 355 150 to 215 etc. Forget that dumb fucking **** that you’ll go from 200 to 500. Jesus why would people spend thousands of dollars on growth hormone if mk677 was that good.

 

[Mathb33]

So if a 16-18yo can have those levels, its not that far fetched to think a 23 yo could have those levels while using mk


But...bloods would be the only way to tell.

Once again here you’re talking as if Gary tails exist and you’re basically dreaming yourself to sleep. If you go look a bit into endocrine books or any chart on the internet you’ll see that the igf levels average of a 15 years old and a 18 years old (yes that’s only 3 years apart ) litterally go down by half. So yes it’s extremely bold of you to assume at 24 years old you’d have such levels lol. You’re blessed by the gods if your igf1 levels are 330-350 at 24 years old.

 

[MadStax]

So, why are these particular males so far above average?

In the linked study they tested these men and found:

IGF-I (ng/ml)	25	11	533 ± 137	455 ± 80	−12.5 ± 11.1	0.0075
	50	10	491 ± 149	471 ± 118	2.0 ± 19.4

 

[CroLifter]

So, why are these particular males so far above average?

In the linked study they tested these men and found:

IGF-I (ng/ml)	25	11	533 ± 137	455 ± 80	−12.5 ± 11.1	0.0075
	50	10	491 ± 149	471 ± 118	2.0 ± 19.4

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probably those 14-18 yo shift the balance

And If i am 300 without anything is it that far fetched to think that with mk i can be at 400??

I read what i want to see? Take a look at the fukking paper! Aromasin has nothing to do with their baseline igf values why are you bringing it up!?

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65%

250×1.65=412.5 there you go

sory @Jinsun this is a thread theft but i cant let this go...i posted the actual documented numbers...

 

[Mathb33]

Aged 14-26
probably those 14-18 yo shift the balance

And If i am 300 without anything is it that far fetched to think that with mk i can be at 400??

I read what i want to see? Take a look at the fukking paper! Aromasin has nothing to do with their baseline igf values why are you bringing it up!?

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65%

250×1.65=412.5 there you go

sory @Jinsun this is a thread theft but i cant let this go...i posted the actual documented numbers...

Still it’s a little silly to take a study on aromasin that happens to point out a little sample of guys tested igf1 and use it as a baseline. Why aren’t you answering what I’m asking you? Go see blood works from mk677 and see general populations results with it. You’ll see nobody double their fucking levels like someone mentionned above. If your igf1 are 300 can you possibly get close to 400? Sure that’s possible if you’re a GREAT RESPONDER. I was simply going against the original idea that you would possibly get to 500-750 which is, an absolute joke. Some people can’t even get there with 10ius a day. So yes, if you’re around 300 you could possibly get towards 375s but we can’t even know your baseline because you didn’t do any bloods prior and after. I’ll gladly pay your bloodwork just to show you that mk677 isn’t 4iu of growth.

 

[CroLifter]

Still it’s a little silly to take a study on aromasin that happens to point out a little sample of guys tested igf1 and use it as a baseline. Why aren’t you answering what I’m asking you? Go see blood works from mk677 and see general populations results with it. You’ll see nobody double their fucking levels like someone mentionned above. If your igf1 are 300 can you possibly get close to 400? Sure that’s possible if you’re a GREAT RESPONDER. I was simply going against the original idea that you would possibly get to 500-750 which is, an absolute joke. Some people can’t even get there with 10ius a day. So yes, if you’re around 300 you could possibly get towards 375s but we can’t even know your baseline because you didn’t do any bloods prior and after. I’ll gladly pay your bloodwork just to show you that mk677 isn’t 4iu of growth.

So by what you are saying a 33% increase in igf is not possible with mk?

i never said one can double their levels! I said if one has a 250 igf level then if you multiply by 1.65 you get roughly 400! As per paper which showed an avg of 65% increase.

There you go i answered your question. And yes if 4 iu of growth has one at 400, of course i can safely say that if one with 250 baseline igf has a 65% increase then his igf is roughly equivalent to what one would get from 4 ius. Or perhaps math doesnt work in this case?

Sorry man but this is driving me crazy i posted the actual numbers

 

[Jinsun]

@Mathb33 bro, you are reading our responses to carelessly. Nobody said anything about doubling their igf1.

MK raises IGF 40 to 50%. Is that doubling? My igf on 20mg went from 170 to 240. Cro's went from 250 or something to alomst 400 if I'm not mistaken. This are all 40 to 50% elevations and nothing more.

Now, can we end this stupidity plz? There is literary nothing to argue about.