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using nolva while on tren and trest... bad idea?

uprightrows said:
Lol, well you didn't die or become temporarily psychotic so it's all good I guess. A lot of people don't know about that interaction, hopefully you will be alright as long as you didn't go high with the adderall dose (>20mgXR), but even then it is something you should definitely avoid, and doing it habitually is asking for serious neurological damage. I feel like DAs are overused anyway, and if you're going to use adderall on cycle with a 19-nor, you should just focus and keeping e2 low, that combined with the mild prolactin lowering of the adderall should be fine as long as your 19-nor dose isn't crazy.
Also, I should say that any one taking adderall on cycle should be EXTREMELY careful, you should have lots of experience with training on adderall alone, know your tolerance, that stuff is no joke and will markedly increase your HR and BP if you aren't used to it, especially during intense training.
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Was psychosis actually a possibility?? I'm no stranger to Adderall (love the stuff, but on rest/work days I'll use OxyMax or conq3r before the gym) and haven't actually dosed prami before but I have both on hand at I'm VERY glad I'm hearing about this now. I do information security. So a paranoid mindset is encouraged. No need to push that into super ultra overdrive.
 
Gutterpump said:
LOL dude you should look into your adrenals... no joke! Sounds like adrenal fatigue. You're like me, I can pass out on stims, especially if I take too many.
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Yep I've been there too... First time I realized I truly needed a stim break I took 50mg ephedrine hcl, 400mg caffiene, and 25mg yohimbine and while I waited for my gf to get ready for the gym, fell asleep. for 5 hours...

took about 6 weeks off after that ha
 
booneman77 said:
Yep I've been there too... First time I realized I truly needed a stim break I took 50mg ephedrine hcl, 400mg caffiene, and 25mg yohimbine and while I waited for my gf to get ready for the gym, fell asleep. for 5 hours...

took about 6 weeks off after that ha
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I've tried :( How did you ween off and did you use anything in replacement of coffee/energy drinks etc?
 
Gutterpump said:
I've tried :( How did you ween off and did you use anything in replacement of coffee/energy drinks etc?
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Cold turkey ha. 100% dropped everything and just sucked it up like a man.

I have pretty serious will power when I make up my mind ha
 
booneman77 said:
Cold turkey ha. 100% dropped everything and just sucked it up like a man.

I have pretty serious will power when I make up my mind ha
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Like I tell the ladies....it only hurts for a second
 
mmorso said:
Love the way you roll bro... do you stack that with viagra too?
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Hell yeah man! When I go in the gym I'm ready to tear some sh1t in half, no slacking off and no talking, just geeked out lifting.
 
yates84 said:
Hell yeah man! When I go in the gym I'm ready to tear some sh1t in half, no slacking off and no talking, just geeked out lifting.
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I wish more people were like this ha... anytime I go for an afternoon session on a weekday I want to murder everyone there...

Hat low, hood up, music jacked, only looking at myself and the weights. Leave. Me. Alone.
 
Gutterpump said:
Gotcha maybe I'll try again lol
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yeah it wasn't too long. Honestly, i didn't think it was all that bad. Then again, I also never think I'm sick or anyhting until I'm literally a double ended firehose for over 2 days ha...
 
So I did some quick research into Raloxifene's effects on IGF-1. Seems it reduces it as well, but not by much.

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Raloxifene also increases bone density, so I think it's a good thing to use while on. I'm not sure how it rates against Nolva in the IGF-1 category though, but I think next time I run tren, I'll run some GHRP's as well anyhow.
 
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