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Users of Superdrol: Have you kept your gains?

Did not put on 25lbs like everyone wants, really had more of a transformation, say a physique recompositioning: Link to progress---:> Invalid Link Removed
 
Ran a 4 week cycle of sd (transform) 20/20/30/30. Up 25 pounds. A week into pct and have only dropped 1 pound. I'm eating like I did on cycle. Training wise instead of wrecking my muscles I'm just stimulating them with less weight but higher reps. Went to a 4-3 split and upping my protein a lil more. Deloading :-) don't go to failure. Your body can't recover like it did on the goodies so don't overtrain. Work back intensity after 2 weeks
 
Airborne42 said:
Ran a 4 week cycle of sd (transform) 20/20/30/30. Up 25 pounds. A week into pct and have only dropped 1 pound. I'm eating like I did on cycle. Training wise instead of wrecking my muscles I'm just stimulating them with less weight but higher reps. Went to a 4-3 split and upping my protein a lil more. Deloading :-) don't go to failure. Your body can't recover like it did on the goodies so don't overtrain. Work back intensity after 2 weeks
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deff a good idea to deload first two weeks I agree youll lose more if you go too hard with super low androgen levels
 
That and you want to keep that cortisol away
 
Gains and anabolics ...

I was in the gyms back in the day when guys did nothing but inject and didn't do a PCT at all. I stayed "natural" until I was 48 years old - I just didn't want to get involved in what they were going through - because it didn't look fun.

When you say "keep the gains" ... it's important to decide what kind of time frame you're talking about.

Keep the gains until the next cycle starts? Totally doable and THAT is how most guys do it - by continuously cycling on and off AAS because - if they don't, their body reverts to it's natural form ... but they're still going to be carrying the baggage of all those "hits" to their HPTA from the steroid cycles though.

And this is why I don't hit any compound hard enough to shut me down. Due to my job - I travel a lot and occasionally I might find myself stranded in a hell hole for 30 days with no gym in sight. I'll do cardio - lose a ton of muscle - come back to Mrs. Honda looking like a ripped Lance Armstrong and I get back into the gym and rebuild all that ****.

Once you get on the AAS roller-coaster - well, you need to figure out how long you're going to be on it before you jump off - and you need a plan for jumping off.

By the way - I would say that most of the guys that did AAS back in the 70's that I knew ... they still look pretty good and are off the gear. They are NOT however, the monsters they used to be. That's okay though. At least they were smart enough to figure out how to jump off the roller coaster.
 
HondaV65 said:
Gains and anabolics ...

I was in the gyms back in the day when guys did nothing but inject and didn't do a PCT at all. I stayed "natural" until I was 48 years old - I just didn't want to get involved in what they were going through - because it didn't look fun.

When you say "keep the gains" ... it's important to decide what kind of time frame you're talking about.

Keep the gains until the next cycle starts? Totally doable and THAT is how most guys do it - by continuously cycling on and off AAS because - if they don't, their body reverts to it's natural form ... but they're still going to be carrying the baggage of all those "hits" to their HPTA from the steroid cycles though.

And this is why I don't hit any compound hard enough to shut me down. Due to my job - I travel a lot and occasionally I might find myself stranded in a hell hole for 30 days with no gym in sight. I'll do cardio - lose a ton of muscle - come back to Mrs. Honda looking like a ripped Lance Armstrong and I get back into the gym and rebuild all that ****.

Once you get on the AAS roller-coaster - well, you need to figure out how long you're going to be on it before you jump off - and you need a plan for jumping off.

By the way - I would say that most of the guys that did AAS back in the 70's that I knew ... they still look pretty good and are off the gear. They are NOT however, the monsters they used to be. That's okay though. At least they were smart enough to figure out how to jump off the roller coaster.
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U make a good point. Its important not to completely shut yourself down in order to help keep gains. This means hard and long cycles r out of the question, shorter more mild cycles would prove to b better. Just think about it, doing only 2 8-10 week cycles a year and putting on 15-20 pounds is amazing, especially lean gains which is achieveable.
 
PCT is not the time to push your body to do *anything* besides recover.

Airborne42 said:
Ran a 4 week cycle of sd (transform) 20/20/30/30. Up 25 pounds. A week into pct and have only dropped 1 pound. I'm eating like I did on cycle. Training wise instead of wrecking my muscles I'm just stimulating them with less weight but higher reps. Went to a 4-3 split and upping my protein a lil more. Deloading :-) don't go to failure. Your body can't recover like it did on the goodies so don't overtrain. Work back intensity after 2 weeks
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Link --:> http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/192992-pct-what-why.html

The below is an excerpt from ManBeast's above thread "PCT: What, Why, and How!".
ManBeast said:
Finally we get to training and eating during PCT. This is where a lot of people mess up. They've just finished up a bulker and want to immediately get rid of the extra bits of fat they've accumulated, so they drastically cut calories and start doing stupid-crazy amounts of cardio, and then wonder where their gains have gone by the time they finish PCT.


If you haven't been able to surmise by now, PCT is not the time to push your body to do *anything* besides recover. Calories should be no lower than maintenance, cardio should be very mild (and for health only, not fat destruction), and weight training should be mild. When it comes to these aspects, it really is that simple.

ManBeast
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I would disagree. I do longer cycles 12-20 weeks and my body adjusts to the new weight gain so in pct i can in theory hold the weight. When ur equilibrium is 185 lbs and u gain 20lbs and go up to 205 in 3-4 weeks asking your body to hold that is very difficult which is why we see the "superdrol ten" where people lose weight as fast as they put it on. You are going to be just as shutdown from a month of SD as 12 weeks of test, after a certain point u are mostly shutdown so if you are gonna shutdown in 3 weeks you might as well ride it out and get as much as u can out of it.
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U make a good point. Its important not to completely shut yourself down in order to help keep gains. This means hard and long cycles r out of the question, shorter more mild cycles would prove to b better. Just think about it, doing only 2 8-10 week cycles a year and putting on 15-20 pounds is amazing, especially lean gains which is achieveable.
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Husker89 said:
I would disagree. I do longer cycles 12-20 weeks and my body adjusts to the new weight gain so in pct i can in theory hold the weight. When ur equilibrium is 185 lbs and u gain 20lbs and go up to 205 in 3-4 weeks asking your body to hold that is very difficult which is why we see the "superdrol ten" where people lose weight as fast as they put it on. You are going to be just as shutdown from a month of SD as 12 weeks of test, after a certain point u are mostly shutdown so if you are gonna shutdown in 3 weeks you might as well ride it out and get as much as u can out of it.
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I agree. That is why I said milder though, an SD cycle IMO i consider that a blast. I'm talking about slower gradual gains, seeing I don't use high doses a 10 pound gain in 8 weeks is probly keepable. Lol I think we're getting at the same point.
 
mild gains are mild gains, 5 lbs in 4 weeks, 10 lbs in 8 weeks, 20 lbs in 16, all are at about the same rate.
 
ManBeast said:
mild gains are mild gains, 5 lbs in 4 weeks, 10 lbs in 8 weeks, 20 lbs in 16, all are at about the same rate.
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Yes exactly. I wouldn't wanna stay on for 4 months though.
 
swollen87 said:
you have no idea what youre doing...

"keepin it light weight" isnt how you lift

if your shoulder hurts, chances are you are benching like a focktard, or you may have injured yourself somehow

TBH i think you are just soft-as-charmin... stay away from steroids and learn a little bit
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My dude your a real ass you know, it's guess like yourself that should just keep mouth shut with that small man complex you got.

Why don't you try to not be such a bitch and offer the man all your godly knowledge.
 
TallyBigDog said:
My dude your a real ass you know, it's guess like yourself that should just keep mouth shut with that small man complex you got.

Why don't you try to not be such a bitch and offer the man all your godly knowledge.
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Yeah, good luck getting a response from a 11 yr old thread… who’s the ass now? 😉
 
jbryand101b said:
you get gyno from using steroids from not knowing really what you are doing.
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Disagree. Franco columbu and Ronnie Coleman knew exactly what they were doing. It may happen, it may not. You can try and pre-empt it which could effect the effectiveness of the cycle. You can have stuff on hand and use at the first signs of gyno which can sometimes work and sometimes be too late.
 
TallyBigDog said:
My dude your a real ass you know, it's guess like yourself that should just keep mouth shut with that small man complex you got.

Why don't you try to not be such a bitch and offer the man all your godly knowledge.
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I know right? I mean the guys the same height and only 14lbs less than Frank Zane... But I'm sure Frank never did many cycles so that would explain his light weight.
 
BBiceps said:
Yeah, good luck getting a response from a 11 yr old thread… who’s the ass now? 😉
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Yea I seen that after the fact, this site doesn't really have a good way of showing old and new as the second anyone posts anything it pops up like a new topic. So 11yrs or not it's still active. The point was made. Appreciate your contribution
 
Wobmarvel said:
Disagree. Franco columbu and Ronnie Coleman knew exactly what they were doing. It may happen, it may not. You can try and pre-empt it which could effect the effectiveness of the cycle. You can have stuff on hand and use at the first signs of gyno which can sometimes work and sometimes be too late.
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I have found that using Nolva periodic seems to negate any gyno atleast in my circumstance. 5mg is all it takes....estrogen may still be high but from my understanding it's good to have estrogen if you can handle it....so I do. Nolva has a direct impact on chest area specifically. So it's what I use now....ofcourse I control e2 with arimidex but very sparcely.
 
Wobmarvel said:
Disagree. Franco columbu and Ronnie Coleman knew exactly what they were doing. It may happen, it may not. You can try and pre-empt it which could effect the effectiveness of the cycle. You can have stuff on hand and use at the first signs of gyno which can sometimes work and sometimes be too late.
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Did Franco and Ronnie really know though? The knowledge back then was much more limited, as was the ancillaries; SERMs, AIs, etc. weren't used.

As far as keeping sdrol gains... these questions come up too often and everyone has a different answer... possibly because everyone is different. In my opinion, if you are not at your natural peak and use AAS, then yes, you'll probably keep more of your gains long-term. Sdrol, like all other AAS, seems to vary as to how long someone can keep some of their gains. I know guys that can keep a good amount of their gains 6 months after a cycle... hell some guys cycle only once per year and it works great for them. I've seen other guys who seem to lose all their gains 2 weeks after PCT. How long you are going to keep your gains is going to be dependent on how hard you are willing to work for it and how realistic your expectations are.
 
johnny412 said:
your following a thread from 2011 dumbass
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Now I’m following you following him following a thread from 2011 about whether people can “keep their gains” from one of the strongest orals ever made.

You should read some of the stuff from 2010 on this board. I was creeping since then, trying to learn some practical application before I ever ran anything - it was like the damn dark ages.
 
johnny412 said:
your following a thread from 2011 dumbass
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Not everyone gets my humor 😉

Used superdrol and could only run it for 3 weeks before I felt like utter crap. The steroid is carb hungry but it was hard to eat the proper amount since it's just so toxic. Some can tolerate it easily. I would guess it was 10 lbs gained and after a pct I kept roughly 7.
 
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EpiStrong said:
Not everyone gets my humor 😉

Used superdrol and could only run it for 3 weeks before I felt like utter crap. The steroid is carb hungry but it was hard to eat the proper amount since it's just so toxic. Some can tolerate it easily. I would guess it was 10 lbs gained and after a pct I kept roughly 7.
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ahhhh i actually thought you might be just funnin lol :p
 
Hyde said:
Now I’m following you following him following a thread from 2011 about whether people can “keep their gains” from one of the strongest orals ever made.

You should read some of the stuff from 2010 on this board. I was creeping since then, trying to learn some practical application before I ever ran anything - it was like the damn dark ages.
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this place was poppin back in 2010/2011. Tons of threads, always new legal anabolics coming out, tons of info.
 
Joshinator said:
this place was poppin back in 2010/2011. Tons of threads, always new legal anabolics coming out, tons of info.
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Yeah all the stuff coming out was very cool, probably the peak of the golden age of prohormones as far as what you could still find vs anecdotal feedback on things. But the broscience you would read was sometimes awful.

“Can’t use Nolva with a 19-Nor.”

“Run a 2.5mg letro cycle for a month to reverse gyno.”

“Don’t take TUDCA while you’re on orals, only after so it doesn’t affect their effectiveness.”

“…takes X long to kick in”

F*cking what??! A lot of horsecrap got parroted, with good intent, but most of us were pretty uneducated.
 
Hyde said:
Now I’m following you following him following a thread from 2011 about whether people can “keep their gains” from one of the strongest orals ever made.

You should read some of the stuff from 2010 on this board. I was creeping since then, trying to learn some practical application before I ever ran anything - it was like the damn dark ages.
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That's weird, I'm following you following Johnny following epistrong while he follows a thread from 2011
 
Can't use nolva with 19nors and no matter what you can't run a cycle without a test base unless it's a prohormone "which all the og prohormones were steroids lol"

Those were the first things I thought I learned lol
 
Smont said:
Can't use nolva with 19nors and no matter what you can't run a cycle without a test base unless it's a prohormone "which all the og prohormones were steroids lol"

Those were the first things I thought I learned lol
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.... Of course you have to run a "Test base".
Otherwise, you'll get shutdown.
LOL.
 
Smont said:
Can't use nolva with 19nors and no matter what you can't run a cycle without a test base unless it's a prohormone "which all the og prohormones were steroids lol"

Those were the first things I thought I learned lol
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“Time off = time on + PCT”

That’s a pretty good recipe to protect the liver from too much exposure to orals, and to lose most progress from the cycle too as it turns out. At least once you’re past your genetic potential.
 
Smont said:
Can't use nolva with 19nors and no matter what you can't run a cycle without a test base unless it's a prohormone "which all the og prohormones were steroids lol"

Those were the first things I thought I learned lol
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I never tried tren but really believed this for a longggg time in case I wanted to dabble
 
Hyde said:
Yeah all the stuff coming out was very cool, probably the peak of the golden age of prohormones as far as what you could still find vs anecdotal feedback on things. But the broscience you would read was sometimes awful.

“Can’t use Nolva with a 19-Nor.”

“Run a 2.5mg letro cycle for a month to reverse gyno.”

“Don’t take TUDCA while you’re on orals, only after so it doesn’t affect their effectiveness.”

“…takes X long to kick in”

F*cking what??! A lot of horsecrap got parroted, with good intent, but most of us were pretty uneducated.
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:LOL: That and milk thistle was the savior of all livers. We tried our best lol
 
Smont said:
Milk thistle is definitely another one, if you don't take Milk thistle you will get liver failure after 6 weeks
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I actually take standardized Silymarin for my LDL and kidney health. But you need to use good stuff, not just unstandardized thistle in the low doses they used to pimp.
 
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