Test/eq/proviron/hgh

Stopstalking2

Stopstalking2

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Gonna start a cycle no real goals in weight. I just am kinda stuck on current numbers on many lifts and trying to get over that hump.

Currently on 200 mg test but plan on bumping it to 500mg

Eq I’ll run at 450

Proviron I’ll start at 50mg and maybe up to 100 if I start having and sexual sides from EQ

Hgh will be at 4ius

Currently been on Sermorelin and ipamorelin for about 3 months but will stopping them and just running the HGH.

I’m 41 currently 228 lbs.

Anything any one would change on dosing ?
 
It won't be eq causing sexual sides, it would be low estrogen causing it and in that situation proviron might make it worse. Personally I'd just run the test higher then the EQ and ditch the proviron
 
I guess the reason I would change the dosing is because of my response to them, yours might be completely different so I didn't take that into the equation. I can run test 1.5-2x my EQ but 1-1 I can't. At least not at 600/600 I couldn't for long, which is weird because a few years ago I could do that, but now I don't seem to aromatase as much.

And proviron never did enough for me to warrant using it. I always got the same benifits out of mast. But mast+EQ could get really dry really fast depending on how you get along with the 2
 
Smont said:
It won't be eq causing sexual sides, it would be low estrogen causing it and in that situation proviron might make it worse. Personally I'd just run the test higher then the EQ and ditch the proviron
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^100% this ^

Ditch the Proviron and use it on TRT instead.
 
The only reason I was thinking of adding the proviron is for some reason I respond very well to it. I like it over mast usually. I can totally leave it out though and save it for when I switch back to trt.

Should I run the EQ higher thethe 450 I had planned. Maybe up to 600 ?

And at 450 or 600 what would you recommend be running the test at ?
 
Stopstalking2 said:
The only reason I was thinking of adding the proviron is for some reason I respond very well to it. I like it over mast usually. I can totally leave it out though and save it for when I switch back to trt.

Should I run the EQ higher thethe 450 I had planned. Maybe up to 600 ?

And at 450 or 600 what would you recommend be running the test at ?
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Most the ppl here will probably tell you that if you run eq higher then testosterone that you will probably crash e2. I know I would. It's really just a matter of how EQ effects your e2 and whether or not you're a high aromatizer
 
Smont said:
Most the ppl here will probably tell you that if you run eq higher then testosterone that you will probably crash e2. I know I would. It's really just a matter of how EQ effects your e2 and whether or not you're a high aromatizer
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I could do 750 test and the eq at 600. I just didn’t know if that was to high on the doses.
 
Stopstalking2 said:
I could do 750 test and the eq at 600. I just didn’t know if that was to high on the doses.
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That’s pretty high doses, I would probably start a little lower to see how you react. If you have experience with high doses you can but if you haven’t done Test that high before I would start lower, 500mg Test and 300 EQ. You can up the dose when you feel you need it.
 
BBiceps said:
That’s pretty high doses, I would probably start a little lower to see how you react. If you have experience with high doses you can but if you haven’t done Test that high before I would start lower, 500mg Test and 300 EQ. You can up the dose when you feel you need it.
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This is exactly what I would do if choosing EQ….Test at 500mg and EQ at 300mg. That’s a good ratio for Test to EQ. Like Smont said running 1:1 may get low estrogen. If I go 1:1 with Test/EQ I’ll get low estrogen, but it used to not do that to me. And even if it didn’t effect your estrogen in the past, as we age you never know when that could change. EQ has such a long half life it would suck to start a cycle at a 1:1 ratio and then find out 4 weeks in that EQ now crashes your estrogen even if not before. And besides Test/EQ at 500/300 is 800 mg of anabolics a week and is a good start to a cycle, and you could always increase dosages later on if you start to feel like you need more. 💪
 
I'm gonna agree with both of my guys up above. 500/300 is a good start, good total dose but nothing crazy. Id probably go 750/450-500 when I bumped it up. 750/600 might still be too dry, but maybe not 🤷
 
Thanks guys, I have a ton of cycles under my belt some stupid high ones. I’ve gone very high on eq before with no real sides but it’s been years since I’ve ran eq

I usually run my test cycles around 750 any I was just thinking lower this time to try and stay a little dry but from the sounds of it the eq might help with that. I’ll prob start at 750/450 and adjust if I need to

Will be doing 4ius growth along side, along with the usual cycle support supps as well as NAD+, methelye blue, ghk-cu and box-157 that I’ve currently already been on.m and don’t plan to stop for awhile.
 
Stopstalking2 said:
Thanks guys, I have a ton of cycles under my belt some stupid high ones. I’ve gone very high on eq before with no real sides but it’s been years since I’ve ran eq

I usually run my test cycles around 750 any I was just thinking lower this time to try and stay a little dry but from the sounds of it the eq might help with that. I’ll prob start at 750/450 and adjust if I need to

Will be doing 4ius growth along side, along with the usual cycle support supps as well as NAD+, methelye blue, ghk-cu and box-157 that I’ve currently already been on.m and don’t plan to stop for awhile.
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I was gonna say that, I know you used GH before, throw that in too.

Nothing crazy about a gram of gear and some HGH. There's no tren, no orals, and your not a little dude either. Go for it.

I'm going to run pretty much the same cycle with primo instead of EQ, and the only reason I'm using primo over EQ is because I ran eq for probably 6-7 total months last year. It was in both my cycles and I even had some in with my cruise. Im just switching things up a little
 
Smont said:
I was gonna say that, I know you used GH before, throw that in too.

Nothing crazy about a gram of gear and some HGH. There's no tren, no orals, and your not a little dude either. Go for it.

I'm going to run pretty much the same cycle with primo instead of EQ, and the only reason I'm using primo over EQ is because I ran eq for probably 6-7 total months last year. It was in both my cycles and I even had some in with my cruise. Im just switching things up a little
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I was actually wanting to do primo originally but my supplier went dry on it. So choose the eq

Definitely loved hgh last time. Will for sure be adding it.
 
Smont said:
I was gonna say that, I know you used GH before, throw that in too.

Nothing crazy about a gram of gear and some HGH. There's no tren, no orals, and your not a little dude either. Go for it.

I'm going to run pretty much the same cycle with primo instead of EQ, and the only reason I'm using primo over EQ is because I ran eq for probably 6-7 total months last year. It was in both my cycles and I even had some in with my cruise. Im just switching things up a little
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Been debating on adding Reta, have done a lot of research and really seems like their is so much positive to it. I don’t really wanna loose a ton of weight but was thinking of running it very low dose like 1mg a week and bump to maybe 2mg eventually
 
Stopstalking2 said:
Been debating on adding Reta, have done a lot of research and really seems like their is so much positive to it. I don’t really wanna loose a ton of weight but was thinking of running it very low dose like 1mg a week and bump to maybe 2mg eventually
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I’m in my third week of Reta. I’m like you and just use it for the health benefits and I do not want it to mess with my appetite. I did 2 weeks of 1mg and now I will do 2 weeks of 1.5mg. So far no appetite changes. I was recommended to go to 2mg ew and stay there but we see, if it messes with my appetite I’ll drop the dose. I started Tesa at the same time. Hoping for better recovery.
 
Just around 3 weeks in, test went from 200 mg a week to now running 750 Eq is at 600 and I chose to just run the proviron at 50mg a day and swapped sermorlin and ipamorelin for 4iu’s HGH (only cuz my previous runs on it, it really boost my sex drive)

So far sex drive is in full affect and strength is already way up. I didn’t expect strength to hit so fast specially with eq being a slow compound.

Today on chest I worked my way up to 315x7 then 345x4 and new PR of 365x2 and finished with a set of 225x15

Weight at the start was 228 and today I was 233 and already feeling leaner in the mid section.
 
Stopstalking2 said:
Just around 3 weeks in, test went from 200 mg a week to now running 750 Eq is at 600 and I chose to just run the proviron at 50mg a day and swapped sermorlin and ipamorelin for 4iu’s HGH (only cuz my previous runs on it, it really boost my sex drive)

So far sex drive is in full affect and strength is already way up. I didn’t expect strength to hit so fast specially with eq being a slow compound.

Today on chest I worked my way up to 315x7 then 345x4 and new PR of 365x2 and finished with a set of 225x15

Weight at the start was 228 and today I was 233 and already feeling leaner in the mid section.
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Good numbers. Those were the numbers I was hitting at my peak for my last bench press contest while popping winni, dmz and msten like candy the last 2 weeks 🤦🤷

I did get 315 for 3 pretty easy reps the other day but I definitely couldn't get seven right now, maybe five if the conditions were perfect :(

I always find it very disappointing when I can't hit my old numbers. Or my old numbers seem really far away from my current state.


How does everything feel overall. Your energy level your mood your joints and stuff like that
 
Smont said:
Good numbers. Those were the numbers I was hitting at my peak for my last bench press contest while popping winni, dmz and msten like candy the last 2 weeks 🤦🤷

I did get 315 for 3 pretty easy reps the other day but I definitely couldn't get seven right now, maybe five if the conditions were perfect :(

I always find it very disappointing when I can't hit my old numbers. Or my old numbers seem really far away from my current state.


How does everything feel overall. Your energy level your mood your joints and stuff like that
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Everything is feeling great. I wish I would have done pre cycle bloods cuz I do feel like I started this cycle with high estrogen side effects already and I feel, really good now. I guess It could still get to low so I’ll definitely keep an eye for side of that.

I also hate when numbers are off but I try to remember that’s just part of this lifestyle. Shoot somedays I can hit something and then next week feel even better and not get it.
 
Stopstalking2 said:
Just around 3 weeks in, test went from 200 mg a week to now running 750 Eq is at 600 and I chose to just run the proviron at 50mg a day and swapped sermorlin and ipamorelin for 4iu’s HGH (only cuz my previous runs on it, it really boost my sex drive)

So far sex drive is in full affect and strength is already way up. I didn’t expect strength to hit so fast specially with eq being a slow compound.

Today on chest I worked my way up to 315x7 then 345x4 and new PR of 365x2 and finished with a set of 225x15

Weight at the start was 228 and today I was 233 and already feeling leaner in the mid section.
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Congrats on the PR, and looks like the Gain Train is taking off.💪😎👍
 
Smont said:
Good numbers. Those were the numbers I was hitting at my peak for my last bench press contest while popping winni, dmz and msten like candy the last 2 weeks 🤦🤷

I did get 315 for 3 pretty easy reps the other day but I definitely couldn't get seven right now, maybe five if the conditions were perfect :(

I always find it very disappointing when I can't hit my old numbers. Or my old numbers seem really far away from my current state.


How does everything feel overall. Your energy level your mood your joints and stuff like that
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Well I think my estrogen is too low for my test level. I just got some blood done yesterday. Should stopping the proviron be enough to help it back up ? Or lower eq a little too ?
 

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Yeah your estrogen is definitely too low. I would drop the Proviron all together, and drop the EQ 100 mg to 500 mg. Stopping the Proviron should help your estrogen some, but probably not enough. Dropping the Proviron will have an effect pretty quickly, but obviously lowering the EQ you won’t see that benefit for a little while. So maybe pull bloodwork in another 3 to 4 weeks and see if that helped. So you would be Test 750 and EQ 500 which is still a beast of a cycle.
When I ran high Test cycles, with my Test levels getting so high, I actually liked my estrogen to run a little higher like in that 40 to 60 range, because that also helped build muscle, strength, and kept the joints lubricated as well as keeping libido up.
 
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Yeah your estrogen is definitely too low. I would drop the Proviron all together, and drop the EQ 100 mg to 500 mg. Stopping the Proviron should help your estrogen some, but probably not enough. Dropping the Proviron will have an effect pretty quickly, but obviously lowering the EQ you won’t see that benefit for a little while. So maybe pull bloodwork in another 3 to 4 weeks and see if that helped. So you would be Test 750 and EQ 500 which is still a beast of a cycle.
When I ran high Test cycles, with my Test levels getting so high, I actually liked my estrogen to run a little higher like in that 40 to 60 range, because that also helped build muscle, strength, and kept the joints lubricated as well as keeping libido up.
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I agree all around, I also feel best slightly above range on cycle. The proviron probably isn't lowering estrogen as much as it is masking the estrogen sides because it acts more like a serm on estrogen, (I'd still drop it) but the EQ I would definitely lower or raise test.

750/400-500 would probably help a lot.
 
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I agree all around, I also feel best slightly above range on cycle. The proviron probably isn't lowering estrogen as much as it is masking the estrogen sides because it acts more like a serm on estrogen, (I'd still drop it) but the EQ I would definitely lower or raise test.

750/400-500 would probably help a lot.
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Thanks guys. Dropping the proviron for sure and due to pin eq today so I’ll drop it down prob to 450.

I didn’t blood work rythm and will get another test kit in 4 weeks so I’ll have results around then.
 
test is at 750 and eq at 300. Elbow joints feel great but been having knee pain not sure if this is an estrogen side ? I’ve been going 30-40 flights of stairs a day at work.


I was thinking of adding a very low dose of deca to help get estrogen up and lube the joints a little.

Thought I’d get your guys opinions first.
 
Stopstalking2 said:
test is at 750 and eq at 300. Elbow joints feel great but been having knee pain not sure if this is an estrogen side ? I’ve been going 30-40 flights of stairs a day at work.


I was thinking of adding a very low dose of deca to help get estrogen up and lube the joints a little.

Thought I’d get your guys opinions first.
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I don't remember how old you are, but I think I would be blaming the knee pain on the stairs 😂, if you are having that knee pain accompanied by low energy, low sex drive, possibly ED or just straight out felt like dog s***, then I would blame low estrogen, but I'm going to go with the stairs on this one I think
 
Smont said:
I don't remember how old you are, but I think I would be blaming the knee pain on the stairs 😂, if you are having that knee pain accompanied by low energy, low sex drive, possibly ED or just straight out felt like dog s***, then I would blame low estrogen, but I'm going to go with the stairs on this one I think
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lol yea I’m only. 41 but it’s my knees feel dry and my knee that I have never had issues with is popping when I straighten it.

I’m gonna take blood in a few days to see where that estrogen is at.
 
Stopstalking2 said:
lol yea I’m only. 41 but it’s my knees feel dry and my knee that I have never had issues with is popping when I straighten it.

I’m gonna take blood in a few days to see where that estrogen is at.
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The popping makes me think even less that it's estrogen related. Low estrogen causes less hyaluronic acid production and less collagen turnover (I think less collagen synthesis too) thus drys out causing the dry aching joints. A popping is from synovial fluid, nitrogen and other gasses build up in that fluid and pop. So when it comes to guessing the side effects at hand. The popping leads me to believe it's not low estrogen and you most likely will need to work on stretching, bending it and doing some exercises to help with knee stability and build up the integrity of the knee joint.

On the flip side, if you're getting arthritis that could be from cartilage breaking down and Bones rubbing together making a popping sound. If that's the case the following won't help.

Try this little test. Take a hot shower, get out and stretch the knee and apply something like icy hot and throw on a knee sleeve and see if it still pops as much. If it stops or significantly reduces (which will probably be temporary) then it's probably little gas bubbles, If it does still pop every time it could be arthritis
 
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