Tbol vs RAD 140

YamahaC76

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Not sure if many users on here have experience with legit tbol. I've had it faked and had the real deal once and loved it but don't remember gaining too much from it. A buddy of mine is on 20mg of RAD 140 right now and is hardening him up and adding lean mass too. So I'm more interested in that than RAD 140 at the time being.

Currently cruising on 250mg of Test E weekly at the moment.

Basically I'm just wondering which one to go with. Definitely trying to lean out more in the next couple months. May do some mk677 as well.
 
Went up to 60 mgs of legit Turinabol, in all its drug made for athletes, you'll get faster, stronger, weight gain is not drastic, but the look you get from it, recovery and pumps, are something realy nice. It's slow, but one of the cleaner builders. Easy maintainable gains after cycle
 
I have the option of running 50mg. How long did you run it for? Im looking for dry gains, and getting bigger without water. So I'm not sure if it would be better than RAD140. I do know I loved the tbol when I ran it though.
 
I should note that I'm cutting, and do appreciate the "alpha" effects from stuff like tbol as well. In my case, would anavar be better?
 
Damn mate, you may have sold me on the var. I can run that as well for about a month? Stuff isn't cheap at all though haha so I hope it's worth it?

How much better would you say it is? Any alpha mental kick from it as well?
 
YamahaC76 said:
Damn mate, you may have sold me on the var. I can run that as well for about a month? Stuff isn't cheap at all though haha so I hope it's worth it?

How much better would you say it is? Any alpha mental kick from it as well?
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Well, IME on Tbol I had a lot of energy, vascularity and high sex drive... But on Anavar, I felt mentaly like I'm demi god, no bad sides, and you just keep looking better and being stronger
 
YamahaC76 said:
Sounds great to me. How do you dose? Split dose or do you take the full dose pre workout?
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I had depot version of it (prolonged release tablets 20 mg each), so I took 2 pre workout and 1 later during the day, but I'd say, any oral 60% of daily dossage take PW and rest after
 
Alchemist11 said:
I had depot version of it (prolonged release tablets 20 mg each), so I took 2 pre workout and 1 later during the day, but I'd say, any oral 60% of daily dossage take PW and rest after
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Since the way mine is set up I can do 50% before workout, and 50% later in the day.

Would you recommend this over 50% upon waking, and 50% pre workout? Or is that overkill.
 
YamahaC76 said:
Since the way mine is set up I can do 50% before workout, and 50% later in the day.

Would you recommend this over 50% upon waking, and 50% pre workout? Or is that overkill.
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Well its not, just depends when is your workout, 50% take PW and other 50% in the other part of the day
 
Alchemist11 said:
Well its not, just depends when is your workout, 50% take PW and other 50% in the other part of the day
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Fair enough, that's what ill go with. Any other recommended compound to cut/put on lean gains before this warm weather hits? Or if anything should I just try to run Var for 6-8 weeks since it will probably suit my needs better than anything else? (in addition to 250mg of test weekly.)
 
YamahaC76 said:
Fair enough, that's what ill go with. Any other recommended compound to cut/put on lean gains before this warm weather hits? Or if anything should I just try to run Var for 6-8 weeks since it will probably suit my needs better than anything else? (in addition to 250mg of test weekly.)
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Well, I like to throw in some peptide like Hexarelin pre workout stacked with mk-677, but Anavar and Test will do just what you need
 
Alchemist11 said:
Focus, strength, insane pump, aids in brining weaker parts, in some cases hyperplasia, faster recovery and fatloss, repairs conective tissues, can't say enough good things about it
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Hmm interesting. Will have to keep it in mind to do some more reading about.
 
Alpha feeling on var? That's interesting as var is fairly non androgenic. I had not noticed much mental sides from var... more or less only physical ones.
 
Yeah I am at this point really curious about mk677 since that whole thread popped up on this board. Iv'e ran it for 3 months at a time 2 years ago, and can say it definitely puts on some type of weight, pumps, and size. But stopped because the liquid tasted so nasty I really hated it haha.

Did you ever notice fat loss from mk677? I was usually slightly bloated with water, but once I stopped and the water came off I was always much much leaner.

50mg of VAR though, for 8 weeks sounds pretty good. 4 weeks is too short?
 
YamahaC76 said:
Yeah I am at this point really curious about mk677 since that whole thread popped up on this board. Iv'e ran it for 3 months at a time 2 years ago, and can say it definitely puts on some type of weight, pumps, and size. But stopped because the liquid tasted so nasty I really hated it haha.

Did you ever notice fat loss from mk677? I was usually slightly bloated with water, but once I stopped and the water came off I was always much much leaner.

50mg of VAR though, for 8 weeks sounds pretty good. 4 weeks is too short?
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You do tend to hold some water with it, but when you stop with it, it goes out and you end up much leaner, but it also depends on ones diet (water part)

Well, it should be enough if you push yourself for that time frame
 
Alchemist11 said:
You do tend to hold some water with it, but when you stop with it, it goes out and you end up much leaner, but it also depends on ones diet (water part)

Well, it should be enough if you push yourself for that time frame
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Perhaps while I still have you here, ill give my goals. Obviously to shred and cut lol. But I train shoulders and biceps 3 times a week so I can get my resting bicep and arm size up, as well as get the bicep vein showing.

The amount of water holding on mk677 varies by individual but I'm not sure if want to retain that water or not. would the amount of water ill be holding interfere with the goals above? Iv'e truthfully never been lean enough or had enough size since iv'e been essentially recomping for sometime and am finally at a level where my physique is about 1 cycle away from being (on some level) what I want. I used to be 152lb and no muscle, lots of stomach fat. Im at 167 now and about 14% bf.

Iv'e experimented with Tbol, and NPP. I liked the NPP but not in the mood for frequent pinning at the moment. I will say it leaned me out unintentionally.
 
YamahaC76 said:
Perhaps while I still have you here, ill give my goals. Obviously to shred and cut lol. But I train shoulders and biceps 3 times a week so I can get my resting bicep and arm size up, as well as get the bicep vein showing.

The amount of water holding on mk677 varies by individual but I'm not sure if want to retain that water or not. would the amount of water ill be holding interfere with the goals above? Iv'e truthfully never been lean enough or had enough size since iv'e been essentially recomping for sometime and am finally at a level where my physique is about 1 cycle away from being (on some level) what I want. I used to be 152lb and no muscle, lots of stomach fat. Im at 167 now and about 14% bf.

Iv'e experimented with Tbol, and NPP. I liked the NPP but not in the mood for frequent pinning at the moment. I will say it leaned me out unintentionally.
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Well, to sum it up... That water that you hold from it is part the glycogen which will help you with pump (sending nutrients) in certan muscle groups and helping them grow and with elevated gh levels, you should be able to bring them up faster. Any steroid can help you loose fat, some are just more wet than others... My advice for biceps and shoulders is to work them with leg workout due to massive hormone output during that time
 
So it's sounding like a VAR and mk677 cycle is going to do some wonders. Keep test at 250/wk?

I actually wasn't the biggest fan of test at 500 a week, the gains are noticeable, but not too much more than what I notice now. The strength from NPP however, and joint lube, is insane. I love NPP, just hate the mental sides.
 
YamahaC76 said:
So it's sounding like a VAR and mk677 cycle is going to do some wonders. Keep test at 250/wk?

I actually wasn't the biggest fan of test at 500 a week, the gains are noticeable, but not too much more than what I notice now. The strength from NPP however, and joint lube, is insane. I love NPP, just hate the mental sides.
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Never heard of mental sides from NPP. What did you experience?
 
jrock645 said:
Never heard of mental sides from NPP. What did you experience?
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I just became a little more docile, less "on top of ****" than I'm used to from just higher test levels. I am in a high stress environment and am pretty sensitive to my homeostasis or what I'm most comfortable in.
 
YamahaC76 said:
So it's sounding like a VAR and mk677 cycle is going to do some wonders. Keep test at 250/wk?

I actually wasn't the biggest fan of test at 500 a week, the gains are noticeable, but not too much more than what I notice now. The strength from NPP however, and joint lube, is insane. I love NPP, just hate the mental sides.
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That would be a nice recomp cycle with lean gains... As for the test, I like it evenly at 250 or at 600... It's just personal preference for me
 
Alchemist11 said:
That would be a nice recomp cycle with lean gains... As for the test, I like it evenly at 250 or at 600... It's just personal preference for me
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Test 250
Var 50mg @ 6-8 weeks
mk677 @20mg for 8 weeks(potentially longer depending how it goes)

It's either 4 weeks of var, or enough for 8 weeks.
I have rich piana's liver and organ defender. However I found Olympus Labs products to just be better...Also TUDCA in general seems to just do more?
but Tudca also doesn't do anything for lipids?
 
YamahaC76 said:
Test 250
Var 50mg @ 6-8 weeks
mk677 @20mg for 8 weeks(potentially longer depending how it goes)

It's either 4 weeks of var, or enough for 8 weeks.
I have rich piana's liver and organ defender. However I found Olympus Labs products to just be better...Also TUDCA in general seems to just do more?
but Tudca also doesn't do anything for lipids?
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With Anavar, you don't have much to worry about, but with all of that, you should have nice cycle
 
Alchemist11 said:
With Anavar, you don't have much to worry about, but with all of that, you should have nice cycle
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What does Var do for hunger? I know mk677 made me super hungry, but eating a lot of clean food never hurt anyone? haha. I suck at eating anyway so I'm not so worried.
 
YamahaC76 said:
What does Var do for hunger? I know mk677 made me super hungry, but eating a lot of clean food never hurt anyone? haha. I suck at eating anyway so I'm not so worried.
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I got realy strong on Anavar so everything demanded more food, but its nothing crazy, like EQ per example...
 
Alchemist11 said:
I got realy strong on Anavar so everything demanded more food, but its nothing crazy, like EQ per example...
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Certainly looking forward to the strength, I need to start getting my boulder shoulders going. I had joint pain there for so long, it's finally gone with all the movement in the gym iv'e exposed myself to. Needless to say, I need the biceps haha.

What would the synergy between the VAR and Mk677 be? Anything conflicting?
 
YamahaC76 said:
Certainly looking forward to the strength, I need to start getting my boulder shoulders going. I had joint pain there for so long, it's finally gone with all the movement in the gym iv'e exposed myself to. Needless to say, I need the biceps haha.

What would the synergy between the VAR and Mk677 be? Anything conflicting?
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The just go hand in hand, mk-677 is nice addition to any cycle
 
YamahaC76 said:
I just became a little more docile, less "on top of ****" than I'm used to from just higher test levels. I am in a high stress environment and am pretty sensitive to my homeostasis or what I'm most comfortable in.
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Interesting. Good to know. Im running NPP for the first time in a couple months.
 
jrock645 said:
Interesting. Good to know. Im running NPP for the first time in a couple months.
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The difference I want to clarify is it's a personal thing. I personally like the alpha feeling from test and orals as well as HCG. NPP is amazing in every way, however it tends to quiet down the effects I listed above. That's about it. I think depending on your lifestyle you'll either notice it or you won't. You will love it, ill say that much. I was doing 300mg a week.
 
Alchemist11 said:
The just go hand in hand, mk-677 is nice addition to any cycle
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Forgot to ask mate, since VAR is steep, is 8 weeks going to make me feel like crap, or will it, on the contrary make me and sculpt me out amazingly haha.

I Know 4 weeks should be enough but iv'e always preferred to run orals longer. And what's this study I found that oxandralone and caffeine showed blood plasma level concentrations up to a 1900% increase upon ingestion together? This basically saturates the hell out of your body and receptors instantly?

If you haven't seen that study, I'd give a quick search for it. It was done in 2018 also!
 
YamahaC76 said:
Forgot to ask mate, since VAR is steep, is 8 weeks going to make me feel like crap, or will it, on the contrary make me and sculpt me out amazingly haha.

I Know 4 weeks should be enough but iv'e always preferred to run orals longer. And what's this study I found that oxandralone and caffeine showed blood plasma level concentrations up to a 1900% increase upon ingestion together? This basically saturates the hell out of your body and receptors instantly?

If you haven't seen that study, I'd give a quick search for it. It was done in 2018 also!
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If you want to se what legit Anavar can do, you can visit my log from this fall, pics are included, Invalid Link Removed
 
Alchemist11 said:
If you want to se what legit Anavar can do, you can visit my log from this fall, pics are included, Invalid Link Removed
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Dear Lawd, if I'm not sold after that, kick me out of the store already haha. Dang man super lean as well. What were your calories like towards the end when you started adding all the fun stuff? Gnarly transformation though man.

I have always been unsure what netted me better gains when trying to recomp. Never been one that likes putting on stomach fat. Iv'e done 1 solid cut, and 1 solid bulk in my days so far. Bulking was much more fun but I am kinda unsure what to do now with the cycle I'm about to do that we talked about. 8 weeks of var at 50mg. Ill be recomping so I want the lean mass, but need to get rid of this pesky belly fat. Its the only place I have it, and I'm at 14% at the moment.

I have never run a true "recomp" cycle. So I'm unsure what my macros should be. Clean food source is not a problem. Is it a combination of surplus on "lift"days, and deficit with cardio on "off" days? But 5 days of the week are lift days usually for me, so thats where I get fuzzed on this.
 
YamahaC76 said:
Dear Lawd, if I'm not sold after that, kick me out of the store already haha. Dang man super lean as well. What were your calories like towards the end when you started adding all the fun stuff? Gnarly transformation though man.

I have always been unsure what netted me better gains when trying to recomp. Never been one that likes putting on stomach fat. Iv'e done 1 solid cut, and 1 solid bulk in my days so far. Bulking was much more fun but I am kinda unsure what to do now with the cycle I'm about to do that we talked about. 8 weeks of var at 50mg. Ill be recomping so I want the lean mass, but need to get rid of this pesky belly fat. Its the only place I have it, and I'm at 14% at the moment.

I have never run a true "recomp" cycle. So I'm unsure what my macros should be. Clean food source is not a problem. Is it a combination of surplus on "lift"days, and deficit with cardio on "off" days? But 5 days of the week are lift days usually for me, so thats where I get fuzzed on this.
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Well, first of all, the main problem here is that I don't track calories... I eat fairly clean, but I also eat a ton of carbs... I just go by the mirror, recovery and performance. I like to do cardio 3 times a week... But keep in mind, I'm volleyball player, so I have trainings 4-5 times a week (2 trainings per day) plus match... But I usualy do 3 HIIT cardio sessions in the gym
 
Alchemist11 said:
Well, first of all, the main problem here is that I don't track calories... I eat fairly clean, but I also eat a ton of carbs... I just go by the mirror, recovery and performance. I like to do cardio 3 times a week... But keep in mind, I'm volleyball player, so I have trainings 4-5 times a week (2 trainings per day) plus match... But I usualy do 3 HIIT cardio sessions in the gym
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Haha alright I see. Im not as active as you, but I am on the move usually. I tend to keep fat low and carbs medium. Always meet my protein needs due to liquid egg whites. I just drink them. But I suppose you're right. I always meet my protein needs and do carbs post workout. If I get too sluggish I know for me it means I need more carbs. But yeah, usually low fat.

Hmm, that said, what would you still say? During my bulk the NPP honestly kept most of the fat off. I was eating like garbage and was leaner by the week. Thats when I put on the 10lb of muscle and kept it all too! But I need the abs showing, and bicep vein popping, it's non negotiable. Time is now!
 
Anavar willl help you shed some fat, and will keep you anabolic if you decide to lower your calories, it will help you keep your muscle while in deficite. If I want to shed some fat I just increase intesity in gym, shorter rest priods and that does wonders
 
Alchemist11 said:
Anavar willl help you shed some fat, and will keep you anabolic if you decide to lower your calories, it will help you keep your muscle while in deficite. If I want to shed some fat I just increase intesity in gym, shorter rest priods and that does wonders
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Would you up the test E or keep it at 250? I have been at 250 TRT for about 6 months now.
 
Tbol
 
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