Taking a Thermogenic with Havoc?

vos103

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Hello everyone, I am pretty new to this forum and man have I learned a lot! This is my first post but I have read hundreds of posts here from other people that have answered my questions.

So here is my situation... I am running my first pro hormone cycle next Monday March 29. I am running it solo and will be taking it with AI cycle support/fish oil/green tea/joint soother and have already started taking milk thistle to prepare my liver. For my PCT I am taking AI PCT and liquid Nolva. And of course I will not be drinking at all to ensure that my liver is not taking a beating. :AR15firing:

OK so basically All I want to know is if it's safe for me to take a Thermogenic such as liquid clen or an ECA during my Havoc cycle or if I should wait to take it during my PCT? I know my BP will already be high throughout my cycle and the Clen or ECA will only make it higher, right? Will Clen be more effective if I stack it with T3?
Any help is appreciated!

(a quick background I am almost 22, 5'10" and weighing in at 178. Have been lifting since I was 15 and have done sports all my life. I have an athletic build and am not a hard gainer what so ever.)
 
vos103 said:
Hello everyone, I am pretty new to this forum and man have I learned a lot! This is my first post but I have read hundreds of posts here from other people that have answered my questions.

So here is my situation... I am running my first pro hormone cycle next Monday March 29. I am running it solo and will be taking it with AI cycle support/fish oil/green tea/joint soother and have already started taking milk thistle to prepare my liver. For my PCT I am taking AI PCT and liquid Nolva. And of course I will not be drinking at all to ensure that my liver is not taking a beating. :AR15firing:

OK so basically All I want to know is if it's safe for me to take a Thermogenic such as liquid clen or an ECA during my Havoc cycle or if I should wait to take it during my PCT? I know my BP will already be high throughout my cycle and the Clen or ECA will only make it higher, right? Will Clen be more effective if I stack it with T3?
Any help is appreciated!

(a quick background I am almost 22, 5'10" and weighing in at 178. Have been lifting since I was 15 and have done sports all my life. I have an athletic build and am not a hard gainer what so ever.)
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I haven't run Havok yet, but I'm currently on Hdrol and Dermacrine. Most people will tell you that running any kind of stim on cycle is a dangerous because of the blood pressure issue. I myself have given up coffee on cycle because I was getting this scary blood pressure related headaches because of it. I think using any stim on cycle -- much less Clen and T3 -- would be a bad idea, especially on your first time when you don't know how your body will react.

Also, if you do a bit more research, you'll see that T3 can be fairly catabolic, which might wipe out your gains from the Havok. You didn't say you wanted to do a cut, but if you did, you might want to skip the Havok and run FORMESTANE-LV or Dermacrine instead.

Just running something that gives dry gains like Havok, Hdrol, Foremestane, Dermacrine, or 1T, while keeping a clean diet will cause you to lose a good amount of body fat. If you're 5' 10" and only 178 and have been working out for a while, I think you should probably be trying to add mass at this point and cut later.

Either way, the time to do a cut is NOT during PCT. In PCT you need to eat and train even harder than you did on cycle in order to KEEP your gains while your body's natural testosterone production recovers. So go through your PCT (30 days), wait a bit to make sure everything is OK, and THEN cut.

IMO, just go for a lean bulk. Eat clean, 1.5 -2 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight, no stims, fight to keep your gains in PCT, and you'll be happy with the results.

Also, you might want to get something for cortisol control during PCT. I recommend EndoAmpMax, which is also a test booster.

Good luck.
 
i would hold off on a PH due to your age just eat and lift heavy and youll grow stock up now and wait a couple of years. and you might put this in the anabolics section too
 
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