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Questions about Primobolan

PnsNv

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Forgive my ignorance, but since Enanthates are far more soluble in oil than, say Propionates or Acetates, shouldn't you be able to make Primobolan (Methenolone Enanthate) in strengths similar to Test enanthate (200-350 mg/ml) rather than 100 mg/ml?

Am I wrong to think all Enanthates are more soluble than all Acetates/Propionates? Is Test maybe more oil soluble than Primo to the point where Testosterone Propionate is more soluble than Methenolone Enanthate?

Also, since it's an Enanthate, why is it often suggested that you use it EOD? Shouldn't you be able to take it once or twice a week?

I would like to be able to bang a single cc -- 250mg -- twice a week. This is the minimum dosage that will do me any good, and I don't want to inject 3 or 4 times a week or have 5cc of oil in my ass. For those who use a gram a week (common), that would be 10 cc of oil every week. Shooting more than 3cc at a time causes a HUGE lump on my glute, and I can't IMAGINE shooting that much in the quad.

Can anyone enlighten the newbie as to why this strength can't work? Also, what is the highest strength anyone here has made primo in?

Thanks
 
Methenolone enanthate (Primo)

Your correct 200mg or more per ml is very possible with enanthate.

Methenolone acetate (Primo), 100mg is about as high as you comfortably want to go.
 
The only reason I can see is that since it was produced for legitimate medical use. Until the flood of vet preparations hit the market my understanding is that the highest dose was 200mg/ml test cyp.
 
PnsNv said:
Forgive my ignorance, but since Enanthates are far more soluble in oil than, say Propionates or Acetates, shouldn't you be able to make Primobolan (Methenolone Enanthate) in strengths similar to Test enanthate (200-350 mg/ml) rather than 100 mg/ml?

Am I wrong to think all Enanthates are more soluble than all Acetates/Propionates? Is Test maybe more oil soluble than Primo to the point where Testosterone Propionate is more soluble than Methenolone Enanthate?

Also, since it's an Enanthate, why is it often suggested that you use it EOD? Shouldn't you be able to take it once or twice a week?

I would like to be able to bang a single cc -- 250mg -- twice a week. This is the minimum dosage that will do me any good, and I don't want to inject 3 or 4 times a week or have 5cc of oil in my ass. For those who use a gram a week (common), that would be 10 cc of oil every week. Shooting more than 3cc at a time causes a HUGE lump on my glute, and I can't IMAGINE shooting that much in the quad.

Can anyone enlighten the newbie as to why this strength can't work? Also, what is the highest strength anyone here has made primo in?

Thanks
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Not necessarily. remember that an ester only modifies the exsisting solublity, it doesn't override it. I have not worked with it myself but I would bet that Primobolan E is not as soluble as test e or tren e, the bases of both are more soluble then the Primobolan base (in theory)

The other thing to consider is the partition coefficient is not solely determanded by the ester. so while like test prop you can get much higher mg/ml then 100 it very painful to do it. I would proceed with caution.
 
Good post, Skye. You beat me to it.
The only other point I have to make is that instead of $10-15 per ml, you're talking $25-35 amps. You gonna pay for them? Maybe, but not many people will.

The reason to do it EoD is because of the low dosage. Not to mention more frequent injects result in more stable levels of the hormone.
 
Thanks for the input guys.

Actually, N4cer, I was planning on making my own from powder, so the only change would be the amount of oil injected. Price for 400-600 mg/week would stay the same.

N4cer said:
Not to mention more frequent injects result in more stable levels of the hormone..
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That's my point. Half life of Enanthate is 10.5 days. Twice a week should be MORE than enough to ensure more stable levels. I've never heard of people shooting test enth or cyp (Half life almost identical to enanthate) eod. I think "the low dosage" is probably more key, which is what I'm trying to eliminate by making my own.

Anyway, thanks again for the input. Skye, you made me feel like I was back in High School.:blink: Thanks for the learnin'!
 
PnsNv said:
Thanks for the input guys.

Actually, N4cer, I was planning on making my own from powder, so the only change would be the amount of oil injected. Price for 400-600 mg/week would stay the same.

That's my point. Half life of Enanthate is 10.5 days. Twice a week should be MORE than enough to ensure more stable levels. I've never heard of people shooting test enth or cyp (Half life almost identical to enanthate) eod. I think "the low dosage" is probably more key, which is what I'm trying to eliminate by making my own.

Anyway, thanks again for the input. Skye, you made me feel like I was back in High School.:blink: Thanks for the learnin'!
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The half life of primo may not be 10.5 days. I would check for someone actually mesuring it as it could be considerable less (bill roberts has sugested the half life is around 5 days, I don't know how much wieght I would put into that however). I am not sure what the half life is but you should also remeber that it can change drastically depending on how its made. test e can have a halflife of 8 days if you use a glycerol based solution or up to around 12 days if you use a heavy/hard to absorbe oil with a lot of BB or other very hydrophobic additives (best estamates on the half lives). Good luck, and check your powder first
 
Remember also that the methenlolone molecule itself is somewhat of an irritant. If you've read much on the various boards, you'll hear of people having some soreness from primo. I'm using some now that is 119mg/ml (tested) and I get some soreness.

Here's the theory that I and some others have developed. It's common knowledge that boldenone in a short-estered form is an irritant. The bold prop I've used is a testimony to that. And we all know that 1-Test is an irritant. You wouldn't inject 1-Test base. And we all know that methenolone is an irritant from the stories of primo soreness to my experience with a certain UG lab's methenolone butyrate.
So the idea is that these hormones (boldenone, methenolone, and 1-Test), which also all have low solubility, are closely related. We know that from the molecular structure. So because the molecular structure results in poor solubility, the hormone irritates the muscle where it rests until the ester is cleaved off.

In other words, you'll have poorer solubility than test enanthate, and more soreness. Also, it is easier to botch a batch of homebrew at higher concentrations. And you don't wanna take the chance on botching primo, since it's so expensive.
 
can have a halflife of 8 days if you use a glycerol based solution or up to around 12 days if you use a heavy/hard to absorbe oil
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I've wondered about the effect of different oils on absorption rate. Don't know of any charts giving a breakdown, do you?

N4cer, the info on solubility was exactly what I was looking for. Maybe YOU can tell the solubility from the molecular structure, but guys like me have to rely on guys like you to find out. Thanks for contributing.
 
The only way I could tell was by the similarities to the others which I know have very similar structures.
I mean, Sledge is the only one I know who gets 1-Test Cyp to 200mg/ml. One of the top UG Lab chemists I know could only get it to 120-something consistently.
I hope your experiment goes well though. Keep us updated, as I'll be doing the same thing soon enough.
 
Remember also that the methenlolone molecule itself is somewhat of an irritant. If you've read much on the various boards, you'll hear of people having some soreness from primo.
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Do you happen to know if this is also documented in the medical community or if it only comes from on-the-street bro-telligence? Considering primo's rep for being faked, I'm dubious about whether reports of irritation are really due to primo or a counterfeit.
 
I haven't checked. I haven't needed to. I have primo that I've had lab tested for my personal experience, and the information that I get is from people with knowledge that I know is good. There's too many morons out there to believe, so there's only a few I trust.

Feel free to search for it, but I doubt it'll be documented, as I can't see it being a major issue for research, since most injections have some pain, from my experience when the doctor gives me injections. But I'd like to know if you find info on it. I'm satisfied with the info I have, but am always open-minded if the skeptics come up with viable info.
 
1 UG LAB I KNOW OF IS MAKING IT AT 150MG. I WAS TOLD IT WOULD BE TO PAINFULL TO MAKE IT ANY STRONGER. Most are making it at 100 and some tested slighty over. RSOC MADE IT AT 200MG BUT I THINK IT WAS ****.i DID OVER 100CC AND GOT JACK OFF IT.
 
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