PhytoFUSETM.

notorius

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Hello dear fellas. This my first post in this great forum.
Is there anywhere I could purchase some plain PhytoFUSETM by itself?
Thanks.
 
notorius said:
Hello dear fellas. This my first post in this great forum.
Is there anywhere I could purchase some plain PhytoFUSETM by itself?
Thanks.
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notorius said:
Yes, I am hoping it could be sold by itself to use with other supps to enhance absorption.
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Welcome to AM.

I wanted to start the post off by saying that I'm glad to help and answer questions and I feel bad that I know my answer isn't going to be the one that you want to hear, but its the honest one.

You're referring to PhytoFUSE that OL uses in a product or two and claims to be for phytosomal delivery.

The short answer is that no, it isn't available and even if it was, it wouldn't work.

If you're wanting to add other ingredients to things you take for increased absorption, the best clinically researched options are AstraGin and Bioperine. AstraGin has clinical studies showing increased absorption for certain types of ingredients and Bioperine has a ton of studies showing increased absorption.

Now, the more complex answer.......

The reason that I said that even if a stand-alone phytosomal delivery product were to be available that it wouldn't work is because the science is more complex than that.

Whereas, AstraGin and Bioperine are simple - they're and ingredient that you take along with other ingredients and they help with the absorption of certain things thru their own individual mechanisms.

But for phytosomal delivery, the active ingredients needs to be complexed with the phytosome - not just added in there with it. Adding it in there with it but not complexing it is just honestly making it a proprietary blend of the active ingredient and the phosphatidylcholine (the ingredient most phytosomes are made from). This doesn't do anything to increase the absorption of the active ingredient and has been deceptively used by some brands to mislead consumers into thinking they have more active ingredient than they do by identifying the total mg. of the blend instead of the active ingredient itself.

I hope that makes sense.

Here is an excerpt from a scientific article on the subject:

2. Structure of phyto-phospholipid complexes
Phyto-phospholipid complexes are formed by interactions between active constituents and the polar head of phospholipids [23]. Interactions between active constituents and phospholipids enable phospholipid complexes to be an integral part in which the phospholipids head group is anchored, but the two long fatty acid chains do not participate in complex formation. The two long fatty acid chains can move and encapsulate the polar part of complexes to form a lipophilic surface. Phyto-phospholipid complexes form agglomerates when diluted in water, which resemble a small cell that shows some similarity to liposomes; the differences between liposomes and complexes are shown in Fig. 1 [24]. As can be seen from Fig. 1, the biggest difference between phytosomes and liposomes is that, in liposomes, the active ingredient is distributed in the medium contained the cavity or in the layers of the membrane, whereas in phytosomes, it is an integral part of the membrane, being the molecules stabled through hydrogen bonds to the polar head of the phospholipids.


^^^ So basically, for a phytosomal delivery system to be legit, it isn't just throwing phosphatidylcholine in with the active ingredient, its complexing it with it - which is why selling it as a delivery system for people to take with other things would just be marketing.

I hope that all of that makes sense and helps.
 
sns8778 said:
Welcome to AM.

I wanted to start the post off by saying that I'm glad to help and answer questions and I feel bad that I know my answer isn't going to be the one that you want to hear, but its the honest one.

You're referring to PhytoFUSE that OL uses in a product or two and claims to be for phytosomal delivery.

The short answer is that no, it isn't available and even if it was, it wouldn't work.

If you're wanting to add other ingredients to things you take for increased absorption, the best clinically researched options are AstraGin and Bioperine. AstraGin has clinical studies showing increased absorption for certain types of ingredients and Bioperine has a ton of studies showing increased absorption.

Now, the more complex answer.......

The reason that I said that even if a stand-alone phytosomal delivery product were to be available that it wouldn't work is because the science is more complex than that.

Whereas, AstraGin and Bioperine are simple - they're and ingredient that you take along with other ingredients and they help with the absorption of certain things thru their own individual mechanisms.

But for phytosomal delivery, the active ingredients needs to be complexed with the phytosome - not just added in there with it. Adding it in there with it but not complexing it is just honestly making it a proprietary blend of the active ingredient and the phosphatidylcholine (the ingredient most phytosomes are made from). This doesn't do anything to increase the absorption of the active ingredient and has been deceptively used by some brands to mislead consumers into thinking they have more active ingredient than they do by identifying the total mg. of the blend instead of the active ingredient itself.

I hope that makes sense.

Here is an excerpt from a scientific article on the subject:

2. Structure of phyto-phospholipid complexes
Phyto-phospholipid complexes are formed by interactions between active constituents and the polar head of phospholipids [23]. Interactions between active constituents and phospholipids enable phospholipid complexes to be an integral part in which the phospholipids head group is anchored, but the two long fatty acid chains do not participate in complex formation. The two long fatty acid chains can move and encapsulate the polar part of complexes to form a lipophilic surface. Phyto-phospholipid complexes form agglomerates when diluted in water, which resemble a small cell that shows some similarity to liposomes; the differences between liposomes and complexes are shown in Fig. 1 [24]. As can be seen from Fig. 1, the biggest difference between phytosomes and liposomes is that, in liposomes, the active ingredient is distributed in the medium contained the cavity or in the layers of the membrane, whereas in phytosomes, it is an integral part of the membrane, being the molecules stabled through hydrogen bonds to the polar head of the phospholipids.


^^^ So basically, for a phytosomal delivery system to be legit, it isn't just throwing phosphatidylcholine in with the active ingredient, its complexing it with it - which is why selling it as a delivery system for people to take with other things would just be marketing.

I hope that all of that makes sense and helps.
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Thanks for posting the write-up.
 
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