My recent bloods wtf

Jinsun

Jinsun

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LH: 5
TT: 800
Prolactin: 17 (4 - 15)
Estrogen: 87 ( 94 - 232)
Progesterone: 1.03 (0.159 - 0.474)

Besides being proud on my TT levels in spite of cycling, why the f are progesterone and prolactin high all the time? I'm thinking my gyno is solely progesterone/prolactin based as I've had progesterone elevated off cycle before, prolactin to.

I've measured bloods a couple times in the last 12 months, and prolactin was always high. Measured low E2 since summer and it has stayed low since then.

I'm also totally bloated all day all the time. Wake up bloated, go to bed bloated. Also very foggy in the head, thinking low dopa.

When my last cycle ended, almost a year a go, I had real low blood pressure all the time. It's ok now, but maybe my thyroid is messing with me.

Anyway, if anybody has any clue, inputs, I'd much welcome them. I'm also seeing an endo real soon, so will update with bloods and stuff from that end.
 
Jinsun said:
LH: 5
TT: 800
Prolactin: 17 (4 - 15)
Estrogen: 87 ( 94 - 232)
Progesterone: 1.03 (0.159 - 0.474)

Besides being proud on my TT levels in spite of cycling, why the f are progesterone and prolactin high all the time? I'm thinking my gyno is solely progesterone/prolactin based as I've had progesterone elevated off cycle before, prolactin to.

I've measured bloods a couple times in the last 12 months, and prolactin was always high. Measured low E2 since summer and it has stayed low since then.

I'm also totally bloated all day all the time. Wake up bloated, go to bed bloated. Also very foggy in the head, thinking low dopa.

When my last cycle ended, almost a year a go, I had real low blood pressure all the time. It's ok now, but maybe my thyroid is messing with me.

Anyway, if anybody has any clue, inputs, I'd much welcome them. I'm also seeing an endo real soon, so will update with bloods and stuff from that end.
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Renew1 said:
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Tnx.

What's interesting is my LH is now at 5. Before cycling it was at 3. TT levels are a tad bit higher now, but LH is up quite a bit. I know progesterone is also produced in the testies, the reason why using hcg on cycle tends to bring back libido, but maybe with a higher LH, I'm producing more progesterone ... just a thought.
 
Jinsun said:
Tnx.

What's interesting is my LH is now at 5. Before cycling it was at 3. TT levels are a tad bit higher now, but LH is up quite a bit. I know progesterone is also produced in the testies, the reason why using hcg on cycle tends to bring back libido, but maybe with a higher LH, I'm producing more progesterone ... just a thought.
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Maybe.
 
They are interesting. You said your e2 measured low since last summer, presumably you were in range prior?

why I think it’s particularly interesting is that most things I’ve seen suggest high e2 is a cause of raised prolactin, obviously with your test levels it’s also a surprise that e2 is low.

thyroid certainly can cause raised prolactin, I know that but the links to the other results seem off.

being very honest, this goes way past my understanding of the pathways and interactions. My assumption would be a thyroid issue combined with some link between test to e2 conversion (with maybe prolactin/progest playing a role at the receptor sites) but honestly I’m guessing.

I’m commenting really as I want to see what the smarter guys say and if you get further information etc.....
 
Whisky said:
They are interesting. You said your e2 measured low since last summer, presumably you were in range prior?

why I think it’s particularly interesting is that most things I’ve seen suggest high e2 is a cause of raised prolactin, obviously with your test levels it’s also a surprise that e2 is low.

thyroid certainly can cause raised prolactin, I know that but the links to the other results seem off.

being very honest, this goes way past my understanding of the pathways and interactions. My assumption would be a thyroid issue combined with some link between test to e2 conversion (with maybe prolactin/progest playing a role at the receptor sites) but honestly I’m guessing.

I’m commenting really as I want to see what the smarter guys say and if you get further information etc.....
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Tnx.

I'm also very interested in what the endo is going to find out. I'm also frustrated that my GPD didn't test for free test and DHT as I instructed her to do, as that would have been very helpful at this moment. If my free T is ok, then the low E2 is also way above my pay grade ...

Yes, my E2 has been at 20 in June, but not in september it was already low. I have been using some caber UGL pills sporadically. Maybe the pills have some aromasin in them, fake caber, that's the only probable cause that comes to mind. But I had classic caber sides from it (low BP wanting to faint and stronger libido), so I kinda doubt it, but all is possible.
 
800 total t in your 30s with aas history...coupled with low e2...that sounds like you were taking sth that alters t:e2 ratio and therefore boosts t, your assumption that caber is fake and contains aromasin could be right.

Anyway it seems that npp run you did messed you up, i remember you complaining about low bp spells etc.

I had the same but now i dont know was it due to low t as in being suppressed this spring (because i later did a cycle, pct'ed and probably recovered to a more human levels) or maybe it was due to the illness i caught back in november of 2019 which very well may have been coronavirus (@Mathb33 you remember those pics from the hospital i sent you guys in the group), it was the worst disease i ever had and very well may have caused the chronic fatigue syndrome afterwards.

Anyway too much rambling, like i said, your total t is suspiciously high for someone in his 30s who cycles, i am like 10 years younger and have less than half the total t with less cycle history, so coupled with low e2 we could assume you were taking an ai instead of caber.


You can always try l dopa and p5p for prolactin, i myself can feel the difference when taking a certain product containing l dopa and p5p (aint gonna name it aint nobody making money from me) i have more energy, feel mentally clearer and even my non existent libido presents itself.

So it is slowly becoming a staple supplement for me.
 
CroLifter said:
800 total t in your 30s with aas history...coupled with low e2...that sounds like you were taking sth that alters t:e2 ratio and therefore boosts t, your assumption that caber is fake and contains aromasin could be right.

Anyway it seems that npp run you did messed you up, i remember you complaining about low bp spells etc.

I had the same but now i dont know was it due to low t as in being suppressed this spring (because i later did a cycle, pct'ed and probably recovered to a more human levels) or maybe it was due to the illness i caught back in november of 2019 which very well may have been coronavirus (@Mathb33 you remember those pics from the hospital i sent you guys in the group), it was the worst disease i ever had and very well may have caused the chronic fatigue syndrome afterwards.

Anyway too much rambling, like i said, your total t is suspiciously high for someone in his 30s who cycles, i am like 10 years younger and have less than half the total t with less cycle history, so coupled with low e2 we could assume you were taking an ai instead of caber.


You can always try l dopa and p5p for prolactin, i myself can feel the difference when taking a certain product containing l dopa and p5p (aint gonna name it aint nobody making money from me) i have more energy, feel mentally clearer and even my non existent libido presents itself.

So it is slowly becoming a staple supplement for me.
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Out of curiosity why would you not name the product? If it helped you and is well designed why the objection to the company making sales?
 
No no bro's, this is my normal TT. It's like this when I'm off. In fact, it was a bit lower b4 first cycle. Last time I took tamox was in May bc of gyno. Added a bit of tbol, dbol and proviron to it. Felt like chit, never again.

I was on GH up until yesterday. Went off bc of endo appointment.
 
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CroLifter said:
You can always try l dopa and p5p for prolactin, i myself can feel the difference when taking a certain product containing l dopa and p5p (aint gonna name it aint nobody making money from me) i have more energy, feel mentally clearer and even my non existent libido presents itself.

So it is slowly becoming a staple supplement for me.
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I just got some l-dopa. Chit's fire. Can really feel the dopamine boost. Great for skating. But, I don't want to use it now, I don't want to skew my bloods for endo.
 
Jinsun said:
I just got some l-dopa. Chit's fire. Can really feel the dopamine boost. Great for skating. But, I don't want to use it now, I don't want to skew my bloods for endo.
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Damn so i am not the only one.

Again i thought i was the sole hyper responder but i get these dopamine rushes from l dopa noticed while driving have to calm down lol

Sometimes makes it harder to fall asleep too but those rushes and increased libido are very interesting.



How did you like effects of gh compared to peptides and mk?
 
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CroLifter said:
Damn so i am not the only one.

Again i thought i was the sole hyper responder but i get these dopamine rushes from l dopa noticed while driving have to calm down lol

Sometimes makes it harder to fall asleep too but those rushes and increased libido are very interesting.



How did you like effects of gh compared to peptides and mk?
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Ldopa is quite strong. Don't underestimate it.

GH is great. Did IF + 2.5IU. Lost 0.3Kg of BF. Noticeably leaner. Wasn't trying. Was actually trying to bulk lawl.
 
Jinsun said:
No no bro's, this is my normal TT. It's like this when I'm off. In fact, it was a bit lower b4 first cycle. Last time I took tamox was in May bc of gyno. Added a bit of tbol, dbol and proviron to it. Felt like chit, never again.

I was on GH up until yesterday. Went off bc of endo appointment.
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GH increases both prolactin and progesterone:

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Also, this is for growth hormone releasing factor not GH it self. And the other one is an in vitro study.

Growth hormone releasing factor is GHRH. That's like sermorelin or mod grf ... all of this peptides release a lot of prolactin and cortisol. But this is not the same as GH.
 
That low E2 is really interesting with that TT level as said. I can't really offer anything that hasn't been said here already, but am interested to follow and I hope you get things sorted out. Initially thought of prolactinoma, but it would most likely have your TT a lot lower and let's not jump to tumors in the brain anyway, lol. I'm guessing the product that Cro didn't mention is SNS Inhibit-P with l-dopa, P5P and a third ingridient that I don't remember.
 
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Jinsun said:
Also, this is for growth hormone releasing factor not GH it self. And the other one is an in vitro study.

Growth hormone releasing factor is GHRH. That's like sermorelin or mod grf ... all of this peptides release a lot of prolactin and cortisol. But this is not the same as GH.
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Ipamorelin and cjc no dac do not release prolactin or cortisol as far as I know.
 
Iwilleattuna said:
What all dietary supplements are you currently taking? Diet changes? Recent stress in your life?
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Lot's of no sleep or bad sleep, which is normal for me. Lot's of stress. Which is also normal. Been taking a bit more quetiapine for sleep, but this are small dosages around 35mg's ...Quetiapine is known to raise prolactin, but it falls down really quickly after the drug leaves your system.
 
Jinsun said:
Lot's of no sleep or bad sleep, which is normal for me. Lot's of stress. Which is also normal. Been taking a bit more quetiapine for sleep, but this are small dosages around 35mg's ...Quetiapine is known to raise prolactin, but it falls down really quickly after the drug leaves your system.
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I think you found the problem . Pretty sure sero has some nasty sides
 
Iwilleattuna said:
I think you found the problem . Pretty sure sero has some nasty sides
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I would agree with that. What he described as normal for him is still a toxic lifestyle and certainly unhealthy. Anxiety and stress and lack of sleep could certain play a big part in all of this.
 
Mathb33 said:
I would agree with that. What he described as normal for him is still a toxic lifestyle and certainly unhealthy. Anxiety and stress and lack of sleep could certain play a big part in all of this.
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That will be 50 dollars split for both math and I , no insurance lol
 
CroLifter said:
Just wondering...how is your libido impacted by high prolactin?
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I broke off with my gf in october. Reason being I wanted to fu*ck around and she didn't want an open relationship. I hope that answers your question.
 
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My progesterone probably wasn't as high as it is now. In june it was right at the upper edge of lab range. Prolactin was the same, E2 was the same. I felt great. In fact, I wanted to do a full spectrum blood panel, so I knew for future reference where I feel great.

ATM I have zero libido though ...
 
Iwilleattuna said:
I think you found the problem . Pretty sure sero has some nasty sides
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It does, certainly. There are studies done, that show just how much and how quickly it elevates PRL. But I don't use it that much and certainly don't use it ed. But then again, my prolactin isn't that high really. In the studies they used 800mg's. I can't imagine how one feels on that kind of doses lol
 
Jinsun said:
My progesterone probably wasn't as high as it is now. In june it was right at the upper edge of lab range. Prolactin was the same, E2 was the same. I felt great. In fact, I wanted to do a full spectrum blood panel, so I knew for future reference where I feel great.

ATM I have zero libido though ...
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Perhaps its the lowish e2 thats causing yout low libido?

Also could be stress but it would be weird for your total T to be this high if you are subjected to chronic stress.


Maybe you didnt have high prolactin back in october like you do now or like you did back in june? Or did you (perhaps you had bloodwork back then also)?



I dont really have an idea why progesterone would be this high. As a side note some people on trt actually supplement pregnenolone to boost progesterone levels.

I dont think higher progesterone causes low libido, quite the opposite in fact (but i could very well be wrong). But high progesterone with high e2 is gyno city apparently.
 
Progesterone for sex drive? Dang lol . As far as I’m concerned , estrogen, progesterone and prolactin are the devil , lol
 
Iwilleattuna said:
Progesterone for sex drive? Dang lol . As far as I’m concerned , estrogen, progesterone and prolactin are the devil , lol
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prolactin and progesterone sure you want those in range but if one desire to get massive and huge, he’d take advantage of using some estrogen in him. You’ll grow much much much better with estrogen on the high end of range and even better slightly out of range.
 
Mathb33 said:
prolactin and progesterone sure you want those in range but if one desire to get massive and huge, he’d take advantage of using some estrogen in him. You’ll grow much much much better with estrogen on the high end of range and even better slightly out of range.
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Yes, I mean too high of levels
 
Iwilleattuna said:
Progesterone for sex drive? Dang lol . As far as I’m concerned , estrogen, progesterone and prolactin are the devil , lol
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Yes. It helps a lot. Pregnenolone, progesterone, or just HCG imo is best, for sex drive on cycle. The lack of LH on cycle is what causes (if all other things are ok) a lack of libido.

@CroLifter prolactin impacts libido but imo this doesnt happen that much in lower elevations of it. In my case, I had crazy libido, although I had progesterone at the higher end to. I'm depressed and sad atm, and that's why I'm without libido. This really plays a big role.
 
@Jinsun l dopa for sure would help depression

I find that i go through periods of blues when i am off cycle quite often. Its important to remember its just transient and its your neurotransmitters playing games with you.
 
I totallye forgot, I've been taking 5-htp since May, which is when my gyno started flaring up. And I've just read that 5-htp raises prolactin. Doh, I'm such an idiot.

No idea how it effects progesterone though.

On a side note, I went to see my endo today and when they took my bloods, they took 5 ampules in a span of 45 minutes. Supposedly with prolactin, you have to wait some time after pinning as the body's reaction to the needle going in is a stress reaction which increases prolactin. So I sat there for 45 minutes with this thing stuck in my arm. Didnt hurt a bit though.

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Interesting info on 5htp and Prolactin, didn't know that. Is it due to serotonin increase or is it 5htp's own characteristic?

The lab where I take my labs they instruct to take bloods for prolactin later in the day, cause' it's higher in the morning. Kind of like the opposite of T bloods for example.
 
KvanH said:
Interesting info on 5htp and Prolactin, didn't know that. Is it due to serotonin increase or is it 5htp's own characteristic?

The lab where I take my labs they instruct to take bloods for prolactin later in the day, cause' it's higher in the morning. Kind of like the opposite of T bloods for example.
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The flare up of my gyno exactly coincides with my 5htp. I didnt know it affects prolactin either. But I just found out that SSRI's do the same thing, which I also took sporadically in the last 3 years. Lol, my gyno just might be due to ssri's and not aas. And me being predisposed to it.

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Jinsun said:
I totallye forgot, I've been taking 5-htp since May, which is when my gyno started flaring up. And I've just read that 5-htp raises prolactin. Doh, I'm such an idiot.

No idea how it effects progesterone though.

On a side note, I went to see my endo today and when they took my bloods, they took 5 ampules in a span of 45 minutes. Supposedly with prolactin, you have to wait some time after pinning as the body's reaction to the needle going in is a stress reaction which increases prolactin. So I sat there for 45 minutes with this thing stuck in my arm. Didnt hurt a bit though.

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That’s sexy
 
Jinsun said:
wot
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Thats exactly how it looks like when i am bloodletting...since i am not eligible to donate anymore i must do it myself

I even like it that way more cause i can pull half a pint at a time and feel less sh1tty afterwards. Instead of donating once a year i simply pull half a pint twice in a year which is necessary to prevent my crit from constantly being over 50. Sorry but i feel better in high 40s then low 50s almost as if my endurance is slightly better which is weird.
 
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