Unanswered Msten Dosage Options

blongo804

blongo804

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I have a good bit of Msten on hand, but trying to decide the best route to run it when I do run it in the next few months.

Current goal: put on as much legit muscle tissue as possible.

This would be my 3rd cycle. DMZ solo #1, DMZ + Dermatrest #2. I will get bloodwork pre-cycle, possibly on cycle, and definitely post-PCT.

Current stats - 6ft tall, 198lbs

Assuming I will have the right on-cycle support supps and a solid PCT, how would you dose 180 caps of 8mg/cap Msten (I don't have to use all 180 caps)? I'm wondering if I can pull off 12 weeks at 8mg/day. Is that just stupid? My thought process on that is just the fact it'll be in my system overall a longer time, just at a lighter dose, so maybe it'd help put on more tissue since I'd be training on it longer?

I may even add trest to the cycle again although I haven't run Msten solo yet of course. Looking for opinions because everyone is usually pretty helpful here.
 
8mg of msten will still be very hard on your lipids and your body I would perhaps run it 6–8weeks but 8 weeks is pushing it and you’re crazy to even think about running it 12 weeks. Plus I strongly believe these orals have diminished returns over a long period of time and running them for longer than 5 weeks is completly useless and gains would just completly stop after that 5-6 weeks mark. For me it’s even worse, I make the gains from week 2 to 4 and then it’s over.
 
Plus the shutdown from msten and trest would be a pretty tough PCT. bouncing back wouldn’t be easy. I don’t get these cycles tbh... like a 8 weeks test prop with a kicker would yield better results and be easier to bounce back from..
 
Mathb33 said:
8mg of msten will still be very hard on your lipids and your body I would perhaps run it 6–8weeks but 8 weeks is pushing it and you’re crazy to even think about running it 12 weeks. Plus I strongly believe these orals have diminished returns over a long period of time and running them for longer than 5 weeks is completly useless and gains would just completly stop after that 5-6 weeks mark. For me it’s even worse, I make the gains from week 2 to 4 and then it’s over.
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Mathb33 said:
Plus the shutdown from msten and trest would be a pretty tough PCT. bouncing back wouldn’t be easy. I don’t get these cycles tbh... like a 8 weeks test prop with a kicker would yield better results and be easier to bounce back from..
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I was also worried about diminished returns going that long. Believe me i'd love to do test prop only cycle but man the pin fear is real lol. Literally I get goosebumps and twitches if I even think about it. I have a crazy irrational pin fear, always have. Just getting blood work pre/post cycle is rough enough. :(

I appreciate your thoughts though! Thank you.
jrock645 said:
No way on 12 weeks.

I had enough of 20mg after 5.
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I ran DMZ/dermatrest for around 7 weeks and the gains kept coming, but yeah I'm sure 12 weeks is too much.
Ironpirate said:
At your size 16mg for 4 weeks would be good especially with a little trest.
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I do like the sounds of this.. Even just a small dose of trest ace as you say, like 15mg ed, with 16mg Msten would probably be awesome for 4 weeks, 6 max. I do know PCT will need to be on point, but I think the cycle would be worth it.
 
Trest and Msten is worth going on TRT for. Unless you’re 22. Then hold off.
I waited until I got on TRT to run Trest Ace that I bought 100ml’s of. It was like having Christmas presents I couldn’t open for 18 months.
 
If my job was paid on incentives for selling trestolone, I’d make 300k a year. I love the stuff like I love my children.
 
blongo804 said:
I was also worried about diminished returns going that long. Believe me i'd love to do test prop only cycle but man the pin fear is real lol. Literally I get goosebumps and twitches if I even think about it. I have a crazy irrational pin fear, always have. Just getting blood work pre/post cycle is rough enough. :(

I appreciate your thoughts though! Thank you.

I ran DMZ/dermatrest for around 7 weeks and the gains kept coming, but yeah I'm sure 12 weeks is too much.

I do like the sounds of this.. Even just a small dose of trest ace as you say, like 15mg ed, with 16mg Msten would probably be awesome for 4 weeks, 6 max. I do know PCT will need to be on point, but I think the cycle would be worth it.
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I agree with all.
5 weeks 16mg Msten
Dermatrest or Trest Ace: 20mg/day 6 weeks.
Massively thorough pct to the point of overkill.
HCG 3 day blast/Clomid+Nolva combo.
 
Matthersby said:
Trest and Msten is worth going on TRT for. Unless you’re 22. Then hold off.
I waited until I got on TRT to run Trest Ace that I bought 100ml’s of. It was like having Christmas presents I couldn’t open for 18 months.
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Im waiting until im done having kids then running a trest cycle. Wife doesnt like the idea of me getting snipped, so 12 weeks of trest at like 200 oughta do the trick with no snips.
 
jrock645 said:
Im waiting until im done having kids then running a trest cycle. Wife doesnt like the idea of me getting snipped, so 12 weeks of trest at like 200 oughta do the trick with no snips.
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Stuff is crazy, I remember reading 6-8mg daily brings most guys sperm count to zero.
 
Go for 40 mgs msten and shoot for 220lbs lol. 40mgs is the sweet spot but if you don’t have experience with it start lower. I’d still start with at least 20 and you still feel ok try upcoming the dose to 30. Should see really good gains at that dose of you can tolerate it.
 
Jstrong20 said:
Go for 40 mgs msten and shoot for 220lbs lol. 40mgs is the sweet spot but if you don’t have experience with it start lower. I’d still start with at least 20 and you still feel ok try upcoming the dose to 30. Should see really good gains at that dose of you can tolerate it.
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If he dies...he dies
 
Mathb33 said:
Wtf did I just hear 40mg is the sweet spot for msten??? Wuuuut
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Lol I’ve had a few brews and it erased my filter. But yes many don’t know that 40mgs is a reasonable dose for experienced users. Kind of like how when epistane came out people used it at 20mgs but some time later found out it was better at a much higher dose. Lol I have to clarify. I’m not telling every 150-175 lbs dude to jump on 40 mgs of msten. I’m just saying a lot of experienced users may not know it’s sweet spot is higher then originally thought just like epistane was. I am NOT advising sub 200 guys or guys that lack experience to jump on 40 mgs of msten. Lol. Just stating it is probably the target dose for many experienced users. Well 30 to 40 mgs.
 
Just run it for as long as you can tolerate it?

You dont need to sign some legal document at the start comitting yourself to some arbitrary cycle length or timeframe. Whats the point of saying "Im gonna run it 45667 weeks!!" but then you can only handle 3. Or, limit yourself to 4 weeks but find you can handle 7 absolutely fine.
 
Jstrong20 said:
Lol I’ve had a few brews and it erased my filter. But yes many don’t know that 40mgs is a reasonable dose for experienced users. Kind of like how when epistane came out people used it at 20mgs but some time later found out it was better at a much higher dose. Lol I have to clarify. I’m not telling every 150-175 lbs dude to jump on 40 mgs of msten. I’m just saying a lot of experienced users may not know it’s sweet spot is higher then originally thought just like epistane was. I am NOT advising sub 200 guys or guys that lack experience to jump on 40 mgs of msten. Lol. Just stating it is probably the target dose for many experienced users. Well 30 to 40 mgs.
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Everyone’s different, I’ll give you that. But at 255lbs I lost my appetite the second I went over 20mg of Msten.
However, I believe @Smont can easily run 30-40mg if I recall. Most of us, even bigger guys, it’s pretty rough.
 
Matthersby said:
Everyone’s different, I’ll give you that. But at 255lbs I lost my appetite the second I went over 20mg of Msten.
However, I believe @Smont can easily run 30-40mg if I recall. Most of us, even bigger guys, it’s pretty rough.
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40 solo, 30 stacked with other stuff. Got a little run down feeling at 4 to 5 weeks with it stacked but I had been off test for 3.5 weeks when that happened so I blame that. Never lost appetite tho
 
Mathb33 said:
8mg of msten will still be very hard on your lipids and your body I would perhaps run it 6–8weeks but 8 weeks is pushing it and you’re crazy to even think about running it 12 weeks. Plus I strongly believe these orals have diminished returns over a long period of time and running them for longer than 5 weeks is completly useless and gains would just completly stop after that 5-6 weeks mark. For me it’s even worse, I make the gains from week 2 to 4 and then it’s over.
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This would be due to ur myostatin rising
 
blongo804, I've followed all your cycles here so far, and they've been incredibly interesting and useful to read about. But my concern is that all these trest+dht cycles are quickly going to send you down the path of requiring trt for life - which is fine if you're aware and OK with that, but wasn't sure if that was the case since you're not keen on pinning.

Anyway, I'm only saying this out of genuine concern and not trying to be a dick or tell you what to do. Good luck with whatever you do.
 
BarryScott said:
blongo804, I've followed all your cycles here so far, and they've been incredibly interesting and useful to read about. But my concern is that all these trest+dht cycles are quickly going to send you down the path of requiring trt for life - which is fine if you're aware and OK with that, but wasn't sure if that was the case since you're not keen on pinning.

Anyway, I'm only saying this out of genuine concern and not trying to be a dick or tell you what to do. Good luck with whatever you do.
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Hey BarryScott, somehow I missed your post so my apologies on the super late response.

I definitely appreciate your concern and it's something always on my mind while I consider cycles. It's probably best to stay away from trest, at the least, since that shutdown is pretty hard as I came to find out. Luckily I only ran it once, so I'm hoping it wasn't too detrimental to me. I really want to see what trest ace is like, but I'm pretty sure that shutdown will be even harder than dermatrest lol.

I do still have a bunch of Msten on hand that I want to run, and if I just run that solo + proper PCT, I imagine I'll be fine for now. I do see your point though and, again, really appreciate you reaching out.
 
I am running it at 20 for 4 weeks I have ran it at 30 as well . With good cycle support and lots of tudca . Make sure you drink alot of water .I drink gallon by lunch and I am 5'8 215 now. I would not do more than 4 weeks but I would run 16 to 24 mg a day
 
Glockguy706 said:
I am running it at 20 for 4 weeks I have ran it at 30 as well . With good cycle support and lots of tudca . Make sure you drink alot of water .I drink gallon by lunch and I am 5'8 215 now. I would not do more than 4 weeks but I would run 16 to 24 mg a day
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Thanks for sharing your experience! What have you noticed, in terms of strength/aesthetics from your run(s)?

I definitely am good at drinking a lot of water. I usually end around 1.25-1.5 gallons a day, and that's me purposely slowing down intake as the day goes on lol.
 
It's good for strength . I an finishing up a long cycle with it and a few compounds I never run it solo . It works but I can't say what it does alone . I am using it with trest var and test now and the strength is there even though I am dieting it's been a good recomp
/cut down 12 pounds in 12 weeks and still strong as ever .
 
Glockguy706 said:
It's good for strength . I an finishing up a long cycle with it and a few compounds I never run it solo . It works but I can't say what it does alone . I am using it with trest var and test now and the strength is there even though I am dieting it's been a good recomp
/cut down 12 pounds in 12 weeks and still strong as ever .
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That sounds like a quality cycle for you. Nice stuff!

I'm hoping to add some quality size with an Msten cycle, and probably only running it solo since I haven't used it before. Hopefully it hooks me up with some legit size.
 
I would run 3 a day 24mg for 30 days take a break then do the same thing with msten and another compound you have enough for 2 cycles you could take 40mg but I wouldn't .
 
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