M1T, M4OHN, 4 ad

wastedwhiteboy2

wastedwhiteboy2

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I've been lifting on and off for about 15yrs. done 2 AAs cycles, 2 ph cycles.
6'0" 192 lbs 33in. waist
week1 10mg M1T, 10mg M4OHN, 300mg 4ad
week2 10mg M1T, 15mg M4OHN, 600mg 4ad
week3 10mg M1T, 20mg M4OHN, 600mg 4ad
week4 25mg M4OHN

What do you guys think of this stack. I'm looking to gain some lean mass. I'm a hard gainer.
thanks
 
First off, I'd cut out the M4OHN. I feel that M4OHN is best used as a cutter, and is wasted in a bulking stack. Additionally, M1T is highly toxic, and you don't need the liver stress associated with running another methyl along side it.

I've run M1T for 3 straight weeks and also in a 2 on 2 off 2 on fashion. As far as gains/sides go, you're much better off with the latter.

I'd do something like this:

Week 1:

10 mgs M1t
400 mgs 4-AD

Week 2

15-20 mgs M1T
400-600 mgs 4-AD

Weeks 3 and 4

Nolva

Weeks 5 and 6

15-20 mgs M1T
400-600 mgs 4-AD

Weeks 7 through 10

PCT
 
I would not get in a big hurry to bump the M1T to 15-20mgs ED unless you are not responding to the 10mgs ED.
 
I'd use either the m1t or the M4OHN. It's not wise to stack methyls, & you really don't need to.

If you want mass & strength, run 10mg m1t with 4ad (300-500mg transdermal, or 750mg-1000mg oral). If you gain well on 10mg, which I'm sure you will- no need to increase the m1t dose. I got the same gains at 10mg as 20mg & dropped back down.

If you want to gain a little bit of lean mass, then replace the M1t with M4OHN at 20mg or so. There is no benefit to gradual dosage increases. M4OHN does not compare to M1t in terms of strength/size, but is good for cutting.
 
wastedwhiteboy2 said:
I was thinking the M4OHN to keep it dry. do you think the M1T will keep the 4ad dry.
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Not at all, many threads, especially those updated during or after PCT, show that a large amount of the weight gained on M1T is water weight.

I think M4OHN could be used effectivly in a lean mass cycle, but I would not use it with M1T due to the multiple methyl issue.

cm5
 
I'm taking for granted since you are a hard gainer that you are wanting a bulking cycle. If so, I would look at what Longdog has proposed. I believe the M1T, 4AD is a great stack for mass/strength. Depending on your diet/training/PCT, you can get some quality/keepable muscle gains.

I have run M1T cycles at 5mg's, 10mg's, and currently doing a 15mg cycle. I have run my cycles for 2 weeks and 4 weeks. I love the 4 week cycles, and am responding very well to the 15mg ed. Currently have gained 15 pounds in two weeks on maintenace calories. Although my diet has been a little sloppy this time around. I dropped the 4AD last week, will be dropping the M1T today, and will introduce the M4OHN for the next 4 weeks.

As far as M1T and M4OHN together, I would not stack methyls. Due to their short time on the market, there just isn't enough feedback on long term damage these compunds could cause. You can do all the blood work before, during, and post cycle, but it will not the lab reports will not tell you what damage may occur down the road. If you do decide to stack them, make sure you use a good liver supplement post cycle, maybe even during. Not to say this will protect you from future damage, but you never know.

Best of luck with what you decide.
 
wastedwhiteboy2 said:
I was thinking the M4OHN to keep it dry. do you think the M1T will keep the 4ad dry.
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If you want to dry it up a bit, try adding 4OHT to the 4-AD (assuming that you're planning to use a transdermal).
 
wastedwhiteboy2 said:
I was thinking the M4OHN to keep it dry. do you think the M1T will keep the 4ad dry.
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I would'nt worry too much about keeping it dry. The water weight will come off quick. If you can stand the lethargy, you could run the M1T as a stand alone. This last week, after dropping the 4AD, my lethargy has been terrible. I have also had some aching after my workouts. I don't know if it's been from lactic acid, or the M1T. I had never ran M1T alone, so I would think it's the latter.

Also, someone please correct me if I'm wrong here, but I believe I read something where 4AD should not be stacked with M4OHN.
 
I was planning on taking oral 4ad. I'll be getting some 4OHT tans from sledge when he gets his batch out. so you think M1T, 4OHT, and 4 ad. I've never done a transdermal but am looking into it. how does it compare to an oral as far as gains/price.
 
I think it is recommended that 4AD not be stacked with MDien due to progesterone sides. It's fine with M4OHN, from what I gather.

As others have said, I wouldn't stack M1T with any other methyl...it's just the harsh city king.

M4OHN isn't a bulker and isn't going to "keep things dry." I'm on 32mgs. ED and not gaining a bit right now. Mix 4OHT in your 4AD trans if you want to cut some estro...but M1T is going to be "wet" no matter what, just like Dbol/m1,4add, etc.
 
Here's what I was looking for as far as stacking 4ad with M4OHN. It just warns if you are prone to gyno, but says it should be good for mass if stacked with 1-test as well... Invalid Link Removed

You can purchase the 4OHT from sites where powders are sold. Sledge only sold the M4OHT, not sure about the 4OHT. The 4AD orally is fine, you just have to take a crap load for it to work properly. I would suggest a transdermal. Check out CNW for some T-4. Good price for 10 grams of 4AD in a dermal. The dermals can be a pain applying them twice a day, but the T-Gel is thick, goes on easy, and dries quick. Price wise, it is a better deal than caps.
 
Brodus said:
I think it is recommended that 4AD not be stacked with MDien due to progesterone sides. It's fine with M4OHN, from what I gather.

As others have said, I wouldn't stack M1T with any other methyl...it's just the harsh city king.

M4OHN isn't a bulker and isn't going to "keep things dry." I'm on 32mgs. ED and not gaining a bit right now. Mix 4OHT in your 4AD trans if you want to cut some estro...but M1T is going to be "wet" no matter what, just like Dbol/m1,4add, etc.
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Not to get off topic here, but I must ask...

What the hell is up with that handle bar mustache and Hello Kitty shower curtain, Brodus?! LOL! I laugh every time I see that. :icon_lol:
 
wastedwhiteboy2 said:
I was planning on taking oral 4ad. I'll be getting some 4OHT tans from sledge when he gets his batch out. so you think M1T, 4OHT, and 4 ad. I've never done a transdermal but am looking into it. how does it compare to an oral as far as gains/price.
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Transdermal 4ad is effective at lower doses than oral & cheaper.

4ad is definitely not dry, you will bloat. I add OHT to all my 4ad dermals & still bloat. yes, the water will come off after the cycle, but I hate looking soft in the summertime.

If you are looking for dry gains, try 1-test with M4OHN. You won't get the mass explosion that m1t will give, but gains will be solid with absolutely no water retention. Its my favorite summer combo.
 
cuffs
sledge mentioned in "wish list" that he has a trans 4OHT coming with better availability.
thanks for the info guys. I am thinking on
M1t, 4ad trans, and 4oht trans.
 
Good call on the M4OHN/4AD thing--I had no idea, but it makes sense.

The mystery of the avatar?

Well, although I wish I was in a band big enough to have music videos, in fact, it is just a funny shot I took at my girlfriend's apartment when I shaved my beard. We decided to do some creative grooming and take funny shots for some promo materials...believe me, this was the tamest of them all! I look positively evil in some of them.

I always wondered what I would look like with handlebars (I prefer to call them "party bars") so this was my chance to get "1870s meets 1970s in a Japanese girls bathroom."
 
wastedwhiteboy2 said:
I could not find what ph the T-gel and T-4 are. does anyone know?
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T-Gel = No PH, its the trandermal carrier, you add your choice of PH powder to it.

T-4 = 4AD, w/ 10grams in it (saturation point) if you get it from custom.

cm5
 
Brodus said:
Good call on the M4OHN/4AD thing--I had no idea, but it makes sense.

The mystery of the avatar?

Well, although I wish I was in a band big enough to have music videos, in fact, it is just a funny shot I took at my girlfriend's apartment when I shaved my beard. We decided to do some creative grooming and take funny shots for some promo materials...believe me, this was the tamest of them all! I look positively evil in some of them.

I always wondered what I would look like with handlebars (I prefer to call them "party bars") so this was my chance to get "1870s meets 1970s in a Japanese girls bathroom."
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You look like Johnny Depp :rofl:
 
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