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M-1-T Liver Back & Kidney pains, whats you opinion?

BUFF STUFF

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Im curious to try some M-1-T

But am starting to have mixed opinions on this, Seems like powerfull stuff.
This compound is what will get PHs/Pro Steroid (whater you wan call them) banned quicker than ever.

But whats with the back/kidney/liver pain often reported, I dont hear these complaints often when people are using quite high dosages of dbol or drol.

What do you think?
 
This has been asked bro, but anyways.

The back pain, is mostly said to be a cramping feeling. My opinion, if it were kidneys it would be on the sides of your back, not across, and more of a sharp pain, or dull stabbing pain. Potassium which solves this most of the time, wouldnt do **** for the kidneys so its obviously cramping of the muscle.

Why the lower back?
Because the lower back muscle is a stabalizer muscle, its not as big as your upper back or calves persay. And no matter what you are doing, sitting, standing walking running etc. Your using that muscle, you can play a football game and have calf cramping from 2 hours, so imagine a smaller muscle, thats used almost all day. My opinion is its more of a back "pump" then a cramp. Im on it now and I only get them when I directly use my lower back. When I do chest I get the same cramps but once I rack the weigths, it stops within seconds. Thats the pump I mean.

Liver pains, Cant say much on that, Im not noticing them at 10mg ED. Take NAC and hawthorn berry during and Milk thistle pre and post cycle.

Thats what I see as logical, and from my short 1 week experience so far, its mostly true, except for the liver I cant say much about that. I eat a banana when my back is bothering me and it goes away, so im sure if you supplement 1000mg potassium it will suffice bro.
 
I only saw back pains after the third week of use when I was using 30mg ED. I bumped it back down to 20mg and was fine. Also, they were definitely cramping pains because they did not bother me if I was laying down or stretching out my lower back. Also, they were too low to be kidney pains. BTW, I weigh 220lbs in case you wanted to relate that to the dosage I was using.
 
I only felt mild low back pain in the last 2 days of my 17 day cycle at 10mg. I squatted & did SLDLs on day 16, so that could have at least contributed to it. I sometimes get low back soreness/stiffness from those 2 exercises. Never had any cramping, but I was a sufferer of the M1t flu for the first week on.
 
Never had any problems with M1T. The only thing I noticed, besides gaining muscle and strength, was that I was sore as hell and the soreness lasted a few days longer than normal. I was at 20mg a day for 2 weeks. I went from 190 to 200.
 
I've been having back pains since day 4, (10 mg then, 20mg/day now; day 10) but they're more like the pumps/cramps I get from a workout on this stuff. Definitely muscle related, IMO.
 
i get a mild sharp pain that comes & goes. located mostly on the right side just above the beltline. don't feel anything right now, but yesterday i was a little concerned. i'm drinking shi-tons of water. taking good doses of minerals, trying to stay off the milk thistle etc.
 
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I had kidney "aches" several months ago while on high protein intake, 2-3 shakes/day plus meats and had forgot to up my h20. A lifter buddy suggested increasing my h20 intake which I immediately did and amazingly within hours the aches vanished and haven't returned. Now I watch my water more closely. (Not related to M1T but increased protein).
 
BUFF STUFF said:
Why stay off the milk thistle?

I would use ALA if I was on this stuff.
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The theory is that by protecting the liver, it makes the liver more efficient and reduces the effectiveness of the M 1-T. At the risk of sounding reactionary, I do not think milk thistle is going to affect the bioavailability of a methyl compound much, if at all. Even if it did reduce gains slightly, what is more important to you, one more pound of muscle or your liver? Unless you are a teen, the answer should be obvious. (At least I hope it is.)

Incidentally, NAC also protects the liver and I would recommend taking it and milk thistle along with Hawthorne Berry (for your heart) to anyone on M 1-T.
 
Cogar said:
The theory is that by protecting the liver, it makes the liver more efficient and reduces the effectiveness of the M 1-T. At the risk of sounding reactionary, I do not think milk thistle is going to affect the bioavailability of a methyl compound much, if at all. Even if it did reduce gains slightly, what is more important to you, one more pound of muscle or your liver? Unless you are a teen, the answer should be obvious. (At least I hope it is.)
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Is it just me or does this sound stupid?

I mean if you were taking drol or dbol, you would use ala if u had it avalible, I dont think it would effect bioavalibilty that much.

And if your a teen you shouldnt be using any androgen or anabolics in the first place. Espesacialy M1T
 
BUFF STUFF said:
Is it just me or does this sound stupid?

I mean if you were taking drol or dbol, you would use ala if u had it avalible, I dont think it would effect bioavalibilty that much.

And if your a teen you shouldnt be using any androgen or anabolics in the first place. Espesacialy M1T
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Relax. It was not meant to be a put down, just an explanation about your milk thistle question. I was under the impression you were serious, not trolling.
 
Watch the look/color/consistency of your urine, it can tell you alot about what is going on in your body.
 
I started having lower back cramps around day 7. They never gave me a problem lifting at all, but they made cardio an absolute bitch. Running any longer than 10 minutes was pretty much impossible. Couldn't do normal cardio until I was a week and a half into pct. I drank plenty of water >1gal/d ... didn't take any K+ though. I'll try that starting Monday ...
 
my other half has been put in hospital because of this... he has liver failure. my advice ...DON'T TOUCH IT!
 
pistonpump said:
how old is he?
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im 25 years old just got out of hospital
got to go back for more test my eyes are yellow still feel fine though was advised not to pct but should i? what will happpen i dont pct i dont want to be infertile i know i will loose my gains in muscle:yawn:
 
jaylou said:
im 25 years old just got out of hospital
got to go back for more test my eyes are yellow still feel fine though was advised not to post cycle therapy but should i? what will happpen i dont post cycle therapy i dont want to be infertile i know i will loose my gains in muscle:yawn:
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no wonder....you probably didnt take precautions either.
 
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