hyperCat
Active member
What's up guys...
After my last two cycles (Epi was one and hdrol/4AD was the other), I suffered extreme insomnia during/after pct. I absolutely thought I was going to lose my mind, especially this last go around. The insomnia really kicked in around week 3 of pct. Both of the cycles were fairly light (30/30/30/30 on the epi and 50/50/50/50 on the hdrol stacked with 4ad). I've always used OTC pct, but never experienced insomnia like this before. I was averaging ~2-3 hrs/night of sleep for almost 6 weeks straight. I was literally on the verge of going crazy, and I was thinking I could possibly lose my job because I just wasn't able to function or communicate effectively (not to mention I had just started a new job). My doc prescribed some medication that has helped, but I think it's probably more due to my hormones starting to stabilize. My sleep patterns have finally become more normal, and I feel much more mentally clear now that I'm getting some sleep.
Just a couple of questions about this:
1) What is the specific hormonal/chemical processes brought on by prohormone use that interferes with sleep? I understand there's probably many chemical interactions that are responsible, but just curious if there is one specific chemical that is the primary culprit, such as serotonin levels.
2) I'm considering using a SERM next time (if there is a next time), but I've also read where they can cause sleep issues themselves. Which SERM typically has the lowest side effect profile?
3) Has anyone experienced severe insomnia with just using any of the DHEA derivatives standalone? I have a bottle of AlphaBulk/AlphaMass I'm thinking of running later in the year, but I just don't know if I'm willing to risk going through that hell again.
Insomnia is by far the worst side effect that I seem to be prone to, as it leads to a cascade of other side effects that just make life hell. Any insights or suggestions that might help minimize the insomnia (other than "don't do steroids")?
After my last two cycles (Epi was one and hdrol/4AD was the other), I suffered extreme insomnia during/after pct. I absolutely thought I was going to lose my mind, especially this last go around. The insomnia really kicked in around week 3 of pct. Both of the cycles were fairly light (30/30/30/30 on the epi and 50/50/50/50 on the hdrol stacked with 4ad). I've always used OTC pct, but never experienced insomnia like this before. I was averaging ~2-3 hrs/night of sleep for almost 6 weeks straight. I was literally on the verge of going crazy, and I was thinking I could possibly lose my job because I just wasn't able to function or communicate effectively (not to mention I had just started a new job). My doc prescribed some medication that has helped, but I think it's probably more due to my hormones starting to stabilize. My sleep patterns have finally become more normal, and I feel much more mentally clear now that I'm getting some sleep.
Just a couple of questions about this:
1) What is the specific hormonal/chemical processes brought on by prohormone use that interferes with sleep? I understand there's probably many chemical interactions that are responsible, but just curious if there is one specific chemical that is the primary culprit, such as serotonin levels.
2) I'm considering using a SERM next time (if there is a next time), but I've also read where they can cause sleep issues themselves. Which SERM typically has the lowest side effect profile?
3) Has anyone experienced severe insomnia with just using any of the DHEA derivatives standalone? I have a bottle of AlphaBulk/AlphaMass I'm thinking of running later in the year, but I just don't know if I'm willing to risk going through that hell again.
Insomnia is by far the worst side effect that I seem to be prone to, as it leads to a cascade of other side effects that just make life hell. Any insights or suggestions that might help minimize the insomnia (other than "don't do steroids")?
