Ideas to make cruising more fun?

BBiceps

BBiceps

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So just finished my cycle a few weeks ago and I already itching to blast again… 😬 But, I know I should stay off for a little while.

Anything you guys have found to make the cruise more tolerable?

I was thinking to add some Proviron since some say it doesn’t effect the lipids at all if you stay 25mg-50mg but idk, I even seen ppl do Mast @200 with TRT but idk about that either, what do you guys think?
 
Take a cruise to the Bahamas while hormonally cruising? :ROFLMAO:

Peptides are always an option

GW/SR

Natural supplements for pumps

Inj l carnitine

Epiandro
 
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Throw is some Stanogen. The Apex Alchemy transdermal epiandro.
 
I also like injectable l-carnitine at 400-600mg pre workout
 
BBiceps said:
That’s something you have to inject every day right?
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Yeah can also taken some capsules but the bioavailablity sucks
 
manifesto said:
Throw is some Stanogen. The Apex Alchemy transdermal epiandro.
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manifesto said:
I also like injectable l-carnitine at 400-600mg pre workout
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These are better ideas than proviron. You won’t know about proviron and lipids unless you test it, but it’s pricey and won’t make you stronger. More of a sex/feel good drug.

BBiceps said:
That’s something you have to inject every day right?
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At least 200mg pinned IM 4x a week. 2-400mg preWO is a great way to increase pumps, reduce lactic acid buildup, increase endurance to do more work, utilize stored fat & spare stored muscle glycogen. Have carbs pre or intra, or amino acids, so you stimulate insulin to help shuttle it to the muscle. It will make you sweat more. On off days, if you use it take it subq so it bleeds in slower. No need to worry about insulin then since you aren’t trying to get an acute training effect.

It absolutely helps you get less from more gear. 120mg of test e had my total test around 1,100 at trough. But I’m probably one of those guys who gets higher levels from less test in general.

Another idea while cruising to spice it up: change your training style for a couple months. It’s almost always useful to spend some blocks doing some very different stuff to help address weaknesses/imbalances you may not even realize you have created. Balance, grip, unilateral work, loaded movement & carries, GPP/circuit work. Or a radical focus like, “Hey my legs are lagging; I’m going to train them an extra time per week and pull back on something I’m strong at.”
 
Hyde said:
These are better ideas than proviron. You won’t know about proviron and lipids unless you test it, but it’s pricey and won’t make you stronger. More of a sex/feel good drug.



At least 200mg pinned IM 4x a week. 2-400mg preWO is a great way to increase pumps, reduce lactic acid buildup, increase endurance to do more work, utilize stored fat & spare stored muscle glycogen. Have carbs pre or intra, or amino acids, so you stimulate insulin to help shuttle it to the muscle. It will make you sweat more. On off days, if you use it take it subq so it bleeds in slower. No need to worry about insulin then since you aren’t trying to get an acute training effect.

It absolutely helps you get less from more gear. 120mg of test e had my total test around 1,100 at trough. But I’m probably one of those guys who gets higher levels from less test in general.

Another idea while cruising to spice it up: change your training style for a couple months. It’s almost always useful to spend some blocks doing some very different stuff to help address weaknesses/imbalances you may not even realize you have created. Balance, grip, unilateral work, loaded movement & carries, GPP/circuit work. Or a radical focus like, “Hey my legs are lagging; I’m going to train them an extra time per week and pull back on something I’m strong at.”
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Transdermal epiandro won’t effect the lipids? What’s the most noticeable effects from it?

Good recommendations on the other stuff, it’s easy (for me) to get caught up chasing numbers and neglecting stuff that’s not as fun, like working on my weaknesses.
 
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BBiceps said:
Transdermal epiandro won’t effect the lipids? What’s the most noticeable effects from it?

Good recommendations on the other stuff, it’s easy (for me) to get caught up chasing numbers and neglecting stuff that’s not as fun, like working on our weaknesses.
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I've read many places that epiandro has negative effect on lipids. As much as I like epiandro next time I get bloodwork and have a current baseline I might test to see how it effects mine.

As for effect I get a slight alpha feeling, better aggression in gym and better boners. I have enjoyed any DHT based compound I've tried so I may just be a good responder.
 
CasperKValentine said:
I've read many places that epiandro has negative effect on lipids. As much as I like epiandro next time I get bloodwork and have a current baseline I might test to see how it effects mine.

As for effect I get a slight alpha feeling, better aggression in gym and better boners. I have enjoyed any DHT based compound I've tried so I may just be a good responder.
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If that’s true then I would stick to androsterone. It has documented positive lipid effects and taken as a preWO definitely improves drive. I think Iron Mag Labs might have a transdermal androsterone, but otherwise you can always get some oral caps.
 
Hyde said:
If that’s true then I would stick to androsterone. It has documented positive lipid effects and taken as a preWO definitely improves drive. I think Iron Mag Labs might have a transdermal androsterone, but otherwise you can always get some oral caps.
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This 👆 And Iconic's Ultra Hard is Androsterone+Epiandro. Could possibly cancel each other out on the effect on lipids (would have to verify via bloods though of course). For preWO I like oral epiandro better though.
 
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Androsterone should also increase sex drive as it increases DHT. For the same reason it should also increase bio available free t as well.
 
JoePaul39 said:
Androsterone should also increase sex drive as it increases DHT. For the same reason it should also increase bio available free t as well.
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Is it worth it? It seems like low dose Proviron would be more effective than Androsterone, especially since the price is fairly high.
 
BBiceps said:
Is it worth it? It seems like low dose Proviron would be more effective than Androsterone, especially since the price is fairly high.
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I would say Proviron is stronger on sex drive and drying out for me. But then there's the impact on lipids again.
 
BBiceps said:
Is it worth it? It seems like low dose Proviron would be more effective than Androsterone, especially since the price is fairly high.
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You can get a two-month supply of Iconics Ultra-Hard right now for 97.49. A decent dose of Proviron would cost at least that last time I saw prices. Unless you are saying Proviron is more expensive??? I don't think in 20 years I have ever seen Proviron called cheap by AAS standards.
 
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You can get a two-month supply of Iconics Ultra-Hard right now for 97.49. A decent dose of Proviron would cost at least that last time I saw prices. Unless you are saying Proviron is more expensive??? I don't think in 20 years I have ever seen Proviron called cheap by AAS standards.
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No, Proviron is not cheap at all but I can still find quality Proviron for cheaper than what you suggested, not by much but it’s out there. But it might not matter anyway if it effects my lipids negative.
 
BBiceps said:
No, Proviron is not cheap at all but I can still find quality Proviron for cheaper than what you suggested, not by much but it’s out there. But it might not matter anyway if it effects my lipids negative.
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Also consider Ultra Hard will effectively function as a preWO booster, while Proviron won’t do jack for performance.
 
BBiceps said:
Is it worth it? It seems like low dose Proviron would be more effective than Androsterone, especially since the price is fairly high.
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I have never cruised on either so couldn’t say. It is dulled to actually better lipids so it is a viable cruise option, but it is expensive. It is decent for cutting , aggression, and pumps but won’t really add much mass or strength by itself from what I have read. Basically just makes a cruise more fun lol.
 
Drolball said:
Wouldn't td be counterproductive pwo because of sweating and showering afterwards?
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You’re not making mass gains of consequence in a cruise, and certainly not because of androsterone or Epiandrosterone. The point of it would be to enhance your training. If training was improved my mood & made more productive, the purpose was served.
 
Hyde said:
You’re not making mass gains of consequence in a cruise, and certainly not because of androsterone or Epiandrosterone. The point of it would be to enhance your training. If training was improved my mood & made more productive, the purpose was served.
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I still wouldn't use it pwo. Paying a premium for td just to mess with absorption and lessen desired effects. Better off adding extra oral epi pwo.
 
Drolball said:
I still wouldn't use it pwo. Paying a premium for td just to mess with absorption and lessen desired effects. Better off adding extra oral epi pwo.
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Sure, whatever jives best for the user. If he wants more feels, transdermals are necessary for longer effects. Acute preWO, oral caps are ideal. Or some combination of both may be ideal.

I would probably just add 100mg of mast e to the cruise if I wanted more round the clock drive/libido/energy.
 
Hyde said:
Sure, whatever jives best for the user. If he wants more feels, transdermals are necessary for longer effects. Acute preWO, oral caps are ideal. Or some combination of both may be ideal.

I would probably just add 100mg of mast e to the cruise if I wanted more round the clock drive/libido/energy.
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This might be what I do since I already have some Mast E laying around, but I “should” take a few weeks completely off everything (except TRT) either way, thanks.
 
BBiceps said:
This might be what I do since I already have some Mast E laying around, but I “should” take a few weeks completely off everything (except TRT) either way, thanks.
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I'm in no way guaranteeing this for you or anyone else but I can run my TRT dose test, plus 100mg mastE, 100mg deca, 100mg primoE, 200mg boldcyp and my lipids barely budge (LDL is great and low, HDL a little low though). I would think test+100mg Mast you should be good (but maybe get bloods).
 
Hyde said:
Sure, whatever jives best for the user. If he wants more feels, transdermals are necessary for longer effects. Acute preWO, oral caps are ideal. Or some combination of both may be ideal.

I would probably just add 100mg of mast e to the cruise if I wanted more round the clock drive/libido/energy.
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That's fair. Looking forward to trying mast e or primo in the future.
 
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Nac said:
I'm in no way guaranteeing this for you or anyone else but I can run my TRT dose test, plus 100mg mastE, 100mg deca, 100mg primoE, 200mg boldcyp and my lipids barely budge (LDL is great and low, HDL a little low though). I would think test+100mg Mast you should be good (but maybe get bloods).
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I believe it, as long as I stay a way from heavy use of orals and Ai’s my cholesterol stays in range.

But, the question is, do my body get the rest it needs to get full effect from my next blast if I do low dose Mast E?
 
BBiceps said:
I believe it, as long as I stay a way from heavy use of orals and Ai’s my cholesterol stays in range.

But, the question is, do my body get the rest it needs to get full effect from my next blast if I do low dose Mast E?
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Well yeah true, the less AAS you run during a cruise the better your response during the blast. If you're genuinely concerned, don't run extra AAS during your cruise and opt for something like inj l-carnitine.

Personally, within reason, I don't think you'll have any problems adding extra AAS during a cruise (assuming bloodwork is acceptable!!). If your next blast still sees an increase in AAS dosing, then that's a step ahead in itself; the gruntier your blast, the greater your response relative to your cruise. Add to this a significant shift in caloric intake, either up or down (bulk or cut), and that will further accentuate the response on your blast.
 
Nac said:
I'm in no way guaranteeing this for you or anyone else but I can run my TRT dose test, plus 100mg mastE, 100mg deca, 100mg primoE, 200mg boldcyp and my lipids barely budge (LDL is great and low, HDL a little low though). I would think test+100mg Mast you should be good (but maybe get bloods).
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Damn bro; my rbc & hematocrit would be winding up for sure! Just shows individual differences.
 
Hyde said:
Damn bro; my rbc & hematocrit would be winding up for sure! Just shows individual differences.
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For sure. My CBC numbers start budging at around 400mg+ boldenone. Anything less than that I'm good.
 
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