Unanswered How long to lower E2

[Johnnybravo421]

Wanting to get my E2 down before I start my cycle.
E2 was at 80 and I want it to be in the 20's.
I know my body is different and only labs will tell for sure
But....
In yalls experience how long do you think it will take to get my E2 back down to my desired range on a 12.5mg EOD Aromasin plan?
Would an Aromasin ED plan be better?

Oh I am currently on 200mg Test C/wk. (100mg twice a week)

 

[Ironpirate]

Wanting to get my E2 down before I start my cycle.
E2 was at 80 and I want it to be in the 20's.
I know my body is different and only labs will tell for sure
But....
In yalls experience how long do you think it will take to get my E2 back down to my desired range on a 12.5mg EOD Aromasin plan?
Would an Aromasin ED plan be better?

Oh I am currently on 200mg Test C/wk. (100mg twice a week)

How long you been on trt? Self rxed i assume. How long since your last cycle and what was it? I prefer arimedex when only using test.

 

[Johnnybravo421]

A couple months.
Msten, Trest, Androhard.

 

[Matthersby]

AI of choice. A little Ralox never hurts on Trest too.

 

[Johnnybravo421]

AI of choice. A little Ralox never hurts on Trest too.

The trest was from my last cycle.
I only added that cause Pirate asked??

Can you shed some light on my OP?

 

[Matthersby]

I did, Serm and AI. I like ralox if estro starts getting high for the only reason I don’t want estro high: boobs. And AI, in your case, exem, will lower it at 12.5 eod, get bloods and switch to ed if necessary.

 

[Johnnybravo421]

I did, Serm and AI. I like ralox if estro starts getting high for the only reason I don’t want estro: high: boobs. And AI, in your case, exem, will lower it at 12.5 eod, get bloods and switch to ed if necessary.

"In yalls experience how long do you think it will take to get my E2 back down to my desired range on a 12.5mg EOD Aromasin plan?
Would an Aromasin ED plan be better? "

I plan on getting bloods again before I start my next cycle?
I would like to only have to do it one more time. So the reason Im asking "how long" is because I dont want to go back to early and it still be high and then have to do bloods again.
I have read that most AI's will get reduce your E2 by 50-70% within 24 hours... So is it safe to say that within a week my E2 will be within my range or am I misunderstanding something?

 

[Matthersby]

It may do nothing at all at that dose, it may take months. I’d say 3-4 weeks but I’m pulling that directly from my ass since I have no clue. If it took 24 hours, just start the cycle and day one start with exem, I don’t think they will drop your e2 that quickly. Otherwise at 80, they next day you’d be 40, the next 20, the next 10, 5, 2.5, 0. All in one week. But I’ve used 12.5/day for weeks and mine is really about the same. Granted I’m on aas, but if they were THAT effective it would be a LITTLE lower.
Labs are really the only answer to your question.

 

[Mathb33]

14.6 days.

 

[Matthersby]

HPTA is an intricately balanced and wildly unpredictable complex machine that controls dozens of different mechanism and functions. There’s never a way to take something and be sure it will create the desired results in a certain period without multiple adjustments.

 

[Johnnybravo421]

14.6 days.

I was thinking more like 21.3 (repeating of course) days but I appreciate your insight.

 

[Nac]

This is confusing as fuk.

Why do you want to get your e2 down to the 20s before your next cycle? What is your next cycle?

 

[Johnnybravo421]

This is confusing as fuk.

Why do you want to get your e2 down to the 20s before your next cycle? What is your next cycle?

Dont you think it would be harder to keep your estrogen in check on cycle if when you started your cycle your estrogen was already at 80.
I would like to get it down so that I dont have high estrogen all cycle.

 

[CroLifter]

Aromasin works rapidly for me. I can crash my estro in a matter of few days.
I was at 109 pg/ml and was at 17 in less than a week taking 25mg ed/eod.

@Johnnybravo421 i wouldnt go so much by the numbers. I dont think it is reasonable to think it is best to keep e2 at "so-called" sweet spot (sweet spot for who i ask?) of ~22 pg/ml, especially when test is 2x, 3x or even higher above reference range.

I would go by the symptoms, consider an aromatase inhibitor a medication, to cure an issue, if one is to arise.
This is coming from someone who has crashed estro multiple times.

Crashing estrogen is bad for your cholesterol and cardiovascular system, bad for your mood, bad for your gains...

I myself have come to the point where i can feel if my estro is slightly highish. I lose libido and start to feel kinda emotionally unstable, alpha attitude goes away.
That is when i know i have to take an ai. I try to stick to the protocol but going by symptoms has treated me better so far.

For example i tried to stick to 12.5mg asin 2x per week (injection days) but right now after todays injection i dont feel the need to take an ai , so i wont. And from experience i know if i keep taking it without feeling the need my estro tanks.

If i start experiencing the above said symptoms, i will take some asin.

Imho it is better to have slightly highish estroge than low estrogen.

 

[Johnnybravo421]

Maybe I asked the wrong question in the OP.

Crashing your E in a short period of time is a real thing right?

So, what dosage would get my E down into an optimal range quickly?

Im hoping somebody has had high E, started taking w/e AI at "x" does and in "x" days/weeks it was below the reference range.

Like I said originally I know everyone is diff and labs will only tell but I am sure somebody has had High E problems and can give me a time table for getting it back down.

 

[Johnnybravo421]

Aromasin works rapidly for me. I can crash my estro in a atter of few days.
I was at 109 pg/ml and was at 17 in less than a week taking 25mg ed/eod.

Did droping it that fast give make you feel like crap or anything?

If you still remember what was your dosing for that week? I know you said 25mg ED/EOD, so what did you take ED for like the first half of the week and for the last half switch to EOD?

 

[Nac]

Dont you think it would be harder to keep your estrogen in check on cycle if when you started your cycle your estrogen was already at 80.
I would like to get it down so that I dont have high estrogen all cycle.

For me that would depend on what Im planning to run. Will what Im planning to run increase e2 even more? Will what Im planning to run cause issues if my e2 is high?

But what Im finding really confusing is that your e2 is at 80 months after finishing your last cycle and whilst on "trt"....maybe 80 is not "bad" for you? If I was feeling good/normal with an e2 of 80 on 200mg test, Id be reluctant to drop it purely based on numbers. What if it fucks your libido?

Your "optimum e2 level" on trt might be 80. Why is 80 a problem?

But you still havent posted your proposed blast.

 

[CroLifter]

Did droping it that fast give make you feel like crap or anything?

If you still remember what was your dosing for that week? I know you said 25mg ED/EOD, so what did you take ED for like the first half of the week and for the last half switch to EOD?

Actually my morning wood returned but prolactin was still high so libido was tanked. I needed caber to fix that.

I took 25mg ed for the first 2 days and then proceeded eod for the next 5 days. Then i did labs.

 

[Matthersby]

I have chronically high E, and can take literally whatever dose I want of letrozole and have never crashed it.
We are talking 2.5-5mg//day when running Trest. I don’t even really check my labs all that often, I go by nipples.
I dial in my AI with my nipples... There, I said it....

 

[CroLifter]

@Johnnybravo421 i would start with 12.5 mg ed for a week and do labs, but also check prolactin. High estro often times leads to high prolactin.

Prolactin is the Paul Pott of libido killers. I am talking about having a smoking hot girl bent over in front of you and nothing, hanging like a spaghetti.
Just some liquid comes out hahahahahahahah.
And at the time i was on 500 test and 200 masteron.

my libido would not return with just aromasin, caber was needed and after 0.25mg i took in the morning, that night i started getting randoms, i kid you not.

caber and proviron are the 2 best things for libido.

 

[Nac]

@Johnnybravo421 i would start with 12.5 mg ed for a week and do labs, but also check prolactin. High estro often times leads to high prolactin.

Prolactin is the Paul Pott of libido killers. I am talking about having a smoking hot girl bent over in front of you and nothing, hanging like a spaghetti.
Just some liquid comes out hahahahahahahah.
And at the time i was on 500 test and 200 masteron.

my libido would not return with just aromasin, caber was needed and after 0.25mg i took in the morning, that night i started getting randoms, i kid you not.

caber and proviron are the 2 best things for libido.

Where has he said he is having libido issues though?

Lol Im genuinely confused. As far as I can tell, he wants to drop his e2 purely due to numbers. If he feels fine with an e2 of 80, why the fuk decrease it?

 

[Matthersby]

@Johnnybravo421 i would start with 12.5 mg ed for a week and do labs, but also check prolactin. High estro often times leads to high prolactin.

Prolactin is the Paul Pott of libido killers. I am talking about having a smoking hot girl bent over in front of you and nothing, hanging like a spaghetti.
Just some liquid comes out hahahahahahahah.
And at the time i was on 500 test and 200 masteron.

my libido would not return with just aromasin, caber was needed and after 0.25mg i took in the morning, that night i started getting randoms, i kid you not.

caber and proviron are the 2 best things for libido.

Prami/Caber are hands down the biggest/best libido enhancers I’ve ever used in my life. Turns a regular Thursday night with the Mrs, into a filthy dungeon sex party.
One time I was on a shitload of Dienolone and I hadn’t used p5p/Ldopa all week, soft noodle club by mid week. 1 HOUR after taking 0.2mg Prami, I became a porn rockstar.

 

[Matthersby]

Where has he said he is having libido issues though?

Lol Im genuinely confused. As far as I can tell, he wants to drop his e2 purely due to numbers. If he feels fine with an e2 of 80, why the fuk decrease it?

I’m roundabout trying to show him how inconsequential these numbers are and how dialing them to a specific number is silly, but to no avail.

 

[CroLifter]

For me that would depend on what Im planning to run. Will what Im planning to run increase e2 even more? Will what Im planning to run cause issues if my e2 is high?

But what Im finding really confusing is that your e2 is at 80 months after finishing your last cycle and whilst on "trt"....maybe 80 is not "bad" for you? If I was feeling good/normal with an e2 of 80 on 200mg test, Id be reluctant to drop it purely based on numbers. What if it fucks your libido?

Your "optimum e2 level" on trt might be 80. Why is 80 a problem?

But you still havent posted your proposed blast.

That is the mistake i made.
I thought reading the stickies was enough and that because i have read so much i wouldnt experience any issues.

dialing in e2 is something everyone must achieve by ttial and error. There is no way around this. Everyone is going to make mistakes when starting this stuff and from those mistakes you learn.

I remember eatching "ask the doc" series on youtube where the doc stated that optimal range for e2 was 15-20 pg/ml.

Nowadays, from the experience i gathered, i cringe at that idea. I need much more than 15 pg/ml.
I know when i took e2 labs and levels would be around 22-25 and ir would still take some time before i felt good.

So i reckon it needs to be in the 30s for me.

But it also depends on t:e2 ratio and amount of dht.
With test at 400 and e2 at 22 i frel terrible, feel total estrogen dominance, feel like a girl.

Now when test is 1000+ with e2 at 22 i feel low e2 symptoms.

Go by the feel.

 

[Johnnybravo421]

For me that would depend on what Im planning to run. Will what Im planning to run increase e2 even more? Will what Im planning to run cause issues if my e2 is high?

But what Im finding really confusing is that your e2 is at 80 months after finishing your last cycle and whilst on "trt"....maybe 80 is not "bad" for you? If I was feeling good/normal with an e2 of 80 on 200mg test, Id be reluctant to drop it purely based on numbers. What if it fucks your libido?

Your "optimum e2 level" on trt might be 80. Why is 80 a problem?

But you still havent posted your proposed blast.

Sust, TestP, MastE, MastP
with MSten Kicker and Winnie Finisher

Before I started test my E was at 40.
My optimal range might be higher because I felt fine at 40, however my nips are a little sore and my libido isnt what it was (still not terrible tho). I get hot flashes and night sweats.
Maybe "in the 20's" might be too low for me.

Actually my morning wood returned but prolactin was still high so libido was tanked. I needed caber to fix that.

I took 25mg ed for the first 2 days and then proceeded eod for the next 5 days. Then i did labs.

Thank you! I mentioned before I dont want to have to pay for labs twice in short period of time just because I dont know any better. I didnt know if a week would be too soon to check.

I’m roundabout trying to show him how inconsequential these numbers are and how dialing them to a specific number is silly, but to no avail.

No, I apprciate your insight for real. Its always a good day when I learn something. Any preference on Caber vs Prami?

 

[CroLifter]

Caber all the way over prami.

But maybe start with 0.125mg and see how you feel.
Even just 0,25mg dropped my blood pressure to 96/55. Had to go home early from work couldnt stand on my feet.

dopamine agonists can have some weird sides so i would minimize their use.
Use only if prolactin is high.

 

[Johnnybravo421]

But it also depends on t:e2 ratio and amount of dht.
With test at 400 and e2 at 22 i frel terrible, feel total estrogen dominance, feel like a girl.

Now when test is 1000+ with e2 at 22 i feel low e2 symptoms.

Go by the feel.

Hmm this is interesting.
Didnt think about it as a ratio.
Maybe I should have included this in the OP as well.

This is what I was told over the phone(have to go physically pick up my results)

Test- 1500( doesnt test higher than 1500)(surprised its that high on 200mg)
Free T- 44.6 ref range 25.1

 

[Matthersby]

Sust, TestP, MastE, MastP
with MSten Kicker and Winnie Finisher

Before I started test my E was at 40.
My optimal range might be higher because I felt fine at 40, however my nips are a little sore and my libido isnt what it was (still not terrible tho). I get hot flashes and night sweats.
Maybe "in the 20's" might be too low for me.



Thank you! I mentioned before I dont want to have to pay for labs twice in short period of time just because I dont know any better. I didnt know if a week would be too soon to check.


No, I apprciate your insight for real. Its always a good day when I learn something. Any preference on Caber vs Prami?

If you can find it, pharma Caber.
Otherwise RC grade Prami is dirty cheap. Just be very very careful and tread lightly with Prami. Messing with dopamine has some guys straight hallucinating and miserable. It makes me sleepy and dizzy. Most all of us agree take it at night. It will make you want to do things with the old lady you usually only want to do drunk. Start with a seriously low dose, like a drop, or 0.1mg.
This won’t do much of anything for estrogen, but prolactin is complicated, from what I understand it is a secondary stage when high estrogen gives way to the lactation stage, so with many, your estro will be elevated for a long time and once it goes high enough, prolactin rises, and estro falls. Some skip right to this, this is where you lactate and your dick no longer works. In my experience this doesn’t happen if your estro is controlled, but there are guys that argue this happens immediately on some drugs. I don’t run prolactin antagonists unless my AI and Serm have failed me or I failed to dose them high enough, HOWEVER, I will many times run P5P/Ldopa alongside 19nors for good measure. I run 19nors 6 months out of the year, and I’ve NEEDED Prami once. That’s it.

Hope this helps. The more I learn about this stuff the more I realize that trial and error and anecdotal account seriously trumps clinical data. Obviously we start with the data but then we realize 1+2 doesn’t always equal 3 with hormones. So you’ve got to figure out how you personally will get there.