Hear Rate on aas

Jinsun

Jinsun

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Do you find that your resting heart rate is higher while on gear?

I'm currently cutting on 400mg test and 200mg mast and my resting heart rate is way high, at 75 bpm. Normal is arround 60. I am having trouble sleeping withouth waking 15 times during the night, which was kinda a problem on my last test cycle.

Thinking about which aas has the lowest impact on heart rate but still ok for cutting. Sarms maybe?
 
Mine certainly does. I also have a high resting heart rate around 70-75. On gear it gets up to 85-95 sometimes but usually stays closer to 80-85. I got metoprolol(beta blocker) from the doc and it really seems to help both BP and heart rate on cycle. Big security blanket
 
Steeleydan said:
Mine certainly does. I also have a high resting heart rate around 70-75. On gear it gets up to 85-95 sometimes but usually stays closer to 80-85. I got metoprolol(beta blocker) from the doc and it really seems to help both BP and heart rate on cycle. Big security blanket
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Yeah, this is definetly not healthy. I'm really high strung, hard to relax and don't really sleep more then a couple of hours before I start waking up. I can wakw up like up to 20x per night if I am not calm enough ugh.

I wonder if it's dht doing this or test...

Anyway, you have seemed to figured it out for your self. Are there any negatives for taking beta blockers for the time beeing on cycle?
 
Honestly i notice pretty much no side effects from them but im also on the lowest prescribed dose. I had read that people feel like garbage on them which is not the case for me. Could be because of my low dose though

A negative would be to be reliant on a drug instead of figuring out how to keep heart rate down naturally. I just couldnt seem to get mine down
 
Also ive only ran test and trest the past two years or so maybe. Could be that trest just has a higher chance of increasing heart rate. I do notice it going back down when i come off. I havent done any dhts in a while except epiandro(barely a dht) so i cant speak to that
 
If you’re going to take a beta blocker looking into bystolic.(nebivilol) those older bb have increased all cause mortality and bystolic vasodilates through NO pathway. So you can get away with a very low dose and less cardiac suppression
 
Jinsun said:
Do you find that your resting heart rate is higher while on gear?

I'm currently cutting on 400mg test and 200mg mast and my resting heart rate is way high, at 75 bpm. Normal is arround 60. I am having trouble sleeping withouth waking 15 times during the night, which was kinda a problem on my last test cycle.

Thinking about which aas has the lowest impact on heart rate but still ok for cutting. Sarms maybe?
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I would just do test only maybe around 300mg and assess from there. It’s alrwdy naturally occurring in your body. Masteron is not. Also are you using any aromatase inhibitors for estrogen control? A lot of times your body is just adjusting and I imagine it would subside
 
Jinsun said:
Yeah, this is definetly not healthy. I'm really high strung, hard to relax and don't really sleep more then a couple of hours before I start waking up. I can wakw up like up to 20x per night if I am not calm enough ugh.

I wonder if it's dht doing this or test...

Anyway, you have seemed to figured it out for your self. Are there any negatives for taking beta blockers for the time beeing on cycle?
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A resting heart rate between 70-90 is considered normal among adult population and fluctuates throughout the day.

Id say your panicking over nothing.
 
bradleyt1 said:
I would just do test only maybe around 300mg and assess from there. It’s alrwdy naturally occurring in your body. Masteron is not. Also are you using any aromatase inhibitors for estrogen control? A lot of times your body is just adjusting and I imagine it would subside
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Yeah, 0.625mg letro eod.

jim2509 said:
A resting heart rate between 70-90 is considered normal among adult population and fluctuates throughout the day.

Id say your panicking over nothing.
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I am not panicking, just evaluating what's keeping me so high strung. My normal resting HR is arround 60. So having a 75mg HR for me is not normal. Either way, I am not sleeping and I am to high strung, so I'll have to find a dose that works best for me. Don't need much for cutting, so maybe 200 test, 100 mast, 200 primo... idk
 
Steeleydan said:
A negative would be to be reliant on a drug instead of figuring out how to keep heart rate down naturally. I just couldnt seem to get mine down
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Haha yeah, not taking aas would be the solution XD

I just have to find a stack that works best for me. Looks like high test is a no go for me.
 
My heart rate went to sht on tren, fine on straight test though. Are you only on test or are you taking something else?

Edit: just read the op post lol, maybe it's the mast, I havent heard of it really raising bp and hr but maybe it hits you differently.
 
Shiznitzz said:
My heart rate went to sht on tren, fine on straight test though. Are you only on test or are you taking something else?

Edit: just read the op post lol, maybe it's the mast, I havent heard of it really raising bp and hr but maybe it hits you differently.
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Well... dht is the one that has a direct impact on nervous system. So it's probably the combination of mast and dht that got converted from test.
 
Jinsun said:
Well... dht is the one that has a direct impact on nervous system. So it's probably the combination of mast and dht that got converted from test.
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Yeah because masteron is basically like taking straight DHT so that combined with test would probably amp you up compared to just test alone
 
bradleyt1 said:
Yeah because masteron is basically like taking straight DHT so that combined with test would probably amp you up compared to just test alone
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Exactly. I'm baffled though how people stand mentally high doses of this stuff. Mast doses are 400 - 800...
 
Jinsun said:
Do you find that your resting heart rate is higher while on gear?

I'm currently cutting on 400mg test and 200mg mast and my resting heart rate is way high, at 75 bpm. Normal is arround 60. I am having trouble sleeping withouth waking 15 times during the night, which was kinda a problem on my last test cycle.

Thinking about which aas has the lowest impact on heart rate but still ok for cutting. Sarms maybe?
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I know a lot have chimed in but I have ALWAYS had this problem as well. It used to be problematic 6-7 years ago bc it would cause me to drink and I CANNOT drink. Ever.
BYSTOLIC was also a Godsend for me as well. Hydration. Minimal caffeine. Cardio. Haven’t had the problem since, however I do avoid DHT’s specifically as they cause it to be noticeably worse for me. Superdrol, Winnie and Mast all make a pretty lousy thumping heart. It doesn’t bother me except when trying to sleep but if I follow the formula of avoidance and have a lot of Kava and a little Benadryl I don’t notice it.
 
Matthersby said:
I know a lot have chimed in but I have ALWAYS had this problem as well. It used to be problematic 6-7 years ago bc it would cause me to drink and I CANNOT drink. Ever.
BYSTOLIC was also a Godsend for me as well. Hydration. Minimal caffeine. Cardio. Haven’t had the problem since, however I do avoid DHT’s specifically as they cause it to be noticeably worse for me. Superdrol, Winnie and Mast all make a pretty lousy thumping heart. It doesn’t bother me except when trying to sleep but if I follow the formula of avoidance and have a lot of Kava and a little Benadryl I don’t notice it.
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Yeah excatly. DHT's are "uppers" for all intents and purposes... But taking benzos or other anxiolitycs all the time, for the duration of the cycle, is a no go for me. Take to much benzos imo as is... I'm left wondering what is then a safe options for us? Or maybe just stick to low doses...

Curious how the antihistamine is helping you?
 
Jinsun said:
Yeah excatly. DHT's are "uppers" for all intents and purposes... But taking benzos or other anxiolitycs all the time, for the duration of the cycle, is a no go for me. Take to much benzos imo as is... I'm left wondering what is then a safe options for us? Or maybe just stick to low doses...

Curious how the antihistamine is helping you?
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Just with insomnia. But they are not good long term I’ve been reading lately
 
Jinsun said:
Exactly. I'm baffled though how people stand mentally high doses of this stuff. Mast doses are 400 - 800...
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Bro I don’t get it either! Like I use to be able to run like say 500mg test and a prohormones stacked with it like years back around 2015-2016. Then it was May 2017 and I was off test for quite sometime and decided to take androtest real 4-AD and mega dosed it and by like week 3 I took a big morning dose one day and like an hour later I was having heart palpitations hot and cold flushing face! It was the scariest **** ever to happen bro.. fast forward to today all I basically take is doctor prescribed TRT around 300mg weekly and I am very sensitive to little changes it’s crazy. Once you experience full blown panic attacks. You think twice about ever touching supplements again. Like I won’t even take sarms prohormones because I’m so scared of the mental effects I get from them.
 
bradleyt1 said:
Bro I don’t get it either! Like I use to be able to run like say 500mg test and a prohormones stacked with it like years back around 2015-2016. Then it was May 2017 and I was off test for quite sometime and decided to take androtest real 4-AD and mega dosed it and by like week 3 I took a big morning dose one day and like an hour later I was having heart palpitations hot and cold flushing face! It was the scariest **** ever to happen bro.. fast forward to today all I basically take is doctor prescribed TRT around 300mg weekly and I am very sensitive to little changes it’s crazy. Once you experience full blown panic attacks. You think twice about ever touching supplements again. Like I won’t even take sarms prohormones because I’m so scared of the mental effects I get from them.
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Im the same dude. I pretty much cant handle mentally any oral except epiandro haha. I mean i can, but just not worth the mental **** from me. I stick to test and trest. Hopefully experiment with mast soon too. Hopefully it doesnt raise my HR too much like OP but im sure it will, ill ease into it when i do
 
Matthersby said:
I know a lot have chimed in but I have ALWAYS had this problem as well. It used to be problematic 6-7 years ago bc it would cause me to drink and I CANNOT drink. Ever.
BYSTOLIC was also a Godsend for me as well. Hydration. Minimal caffeine. Cardio. Haven’t had the problem since, however I do avoid DHT’s specifically as they cause it to be noticeably worse for me. Superdrol, Winnie and Mast all make a pretty lousy thumping heart. It doesn’t bother me except when trying to sleep but if I follow the formula of avoidance and have a lot of Kava and a little Benadryl I don’t notice it.
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Yeah I know exactly the Celing your talking about. It’s not exactly always a fast heart rate but like when I would lay down in bed for the night i can feel my heart beat or my pulse if that makes sense. I wonder why the hell that is!!
 
Steeleydan said:
Im the same dude. I pretty much cant handle mentally any oral except epiandro haha. I mean i can, but just not worth the mental **** from me. I stick to test and trest. Hopefully experiment with mast soon too. Hopefully it doesnt raise my HR too much like OP but im sure it will, ill ease into it when i do
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It’s been almost 2 years since trying any oral prohormones or even MK-677 GH. I always wonder how I would respond if I just said the hell with it and started up but I hate the fast acting effects that are very mentally debilitating. Especially now I have an 8 month old, I would hate to get some kind of irritation god for bid! Like I remember a few years back taking the old 19-NOR tren.. like prodienolone not trendione.. and the second day I remember being snappy and aggressive! Those orals are no joke man.. honestly what’s something other than say 300mg test that can build muscle without making you an *******?? Like say something pretty anabolic and minimal Androgenic I’m guessing?? Maybe Deca (nandrolone)
 
I have had a similar experience with pheraplex. 2 5g doses of taurine really helped. I cannot remember the mechanism or where/who gave me the tip. But it worked for me

Also, a sneeze could elevate HR from 60 to 75. Just sayin
 
Lots of interesting feedback on this thread and the effects of PH/Sarms/AAS have.

I started some Osta and threw in Cycle Assist with Hawthorne Berry in...had butterflys in chest for 24 hours and trippin dreams so canned it. Resting HR was averaging 74 BPM instead of 65BPM....just didnt like the feel of it. Never had this with M1-T or DBOL. Now not sure whether to bother with Sarms at all?? Might just get fitter 1st for a while play it safe. Could be the hawthorne berry or other ingredients in the cycle assist i suppose.
 
Hawthorne Berry is the reason we preload IIRC. It can sometimes elevate BP and HR for up to 2 weeks before settling in. This info was pretty common on the old lean bulk forum 10ish years ago.
 
celc5 said:
Hawthorne Berry is the reason we preload IIRC. It can sometimes elevate BP and HR for up to 2 weeks before settling in. This info was pretty common on the old lean bulk forum 10ish years ago.
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Yeah thats what made me think it might be the Hawthorne..but am now convinced its a virus as glands are up and a have a couple of large spots under top of scalp....all points to this + tiredness and not the supplements thank god.
 
I think I’ve said more than once how even small doses of weak androgens make me go funny in the head. They also change how my heart acts.

There’s a reason I prefer DHB and similar, it doesn’t do those things.
 
Old Witch said:
I think I’ve said more than once how even small doses of weak androgens make me go funny in the head. They also change how my heart acts.

There’s a reason I prefer DHB and similar, it doesn’t do those things.
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DHB doesn't have those effects? That's interesting, it is a DHT.

What do you think about primo?
 
Jinsun said:
DHB doesn't have those effects? That's interesting, it is a DHT.

What do you think about primo?
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Primo and dhb are two peas in a pod. Primo is the leaner, drier, less mass building of the two. Dhb puts weight on you. Serious hard weight. Both make you feel alpha, top of the world, do no wrong... both cause acne, and primo causes some to shed but with dhb that’s rare. Neither caused me to shed. Primo is anti estrogenic, dhb is not.

I really like both of them quite a lot. Delta-1 steroids in general so far have the most agreeable reaction in my body. And it seems I’m not alone.
 
Dhb is a dht, but the differences between the two (dhb and dht) are profound. Dhb is much closer to testosterone, without aromatization. The body seems to use it as a combination of the two in many tissues.
 
Jinsun said:
Yeah excatly. DHT's are "uppers" for all intents and purposes... But taking benzos or other anxiolitycs all the time, for the duration of the cycle, is a no go for me. Take to much benzos imo as is... I'm left wondering what is then a safe options for us? Or maybe just stick to low doses...

Curious how the antihistamine is helping you?
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As far as safe options....what about a little thc (or maybe cbd, dont know enough) before bed. Should be safe and the right kind would absolutely relax your entire body. Gets rid of the thumping heart anyway.
 
bigbeaph said:
As far as safe options....what about a little thc (or maybe cbd, dont know enough) before bed. Should be safe and the right kind would absolutely relax your entire body. Gets rid of the thumping heart anyway.
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Just had 1/4 of a 1:1 cbd/thc gummy. Some Kava tea, an aspirin, and 3 Benadryl.
And I’m taking Trest and Dbol. No problems in the world right now.

But if I was taking Superdrol right now, the only thing that make me feel this calm is Valium and a strong beta blocker. DHTs just beat me up.
 
Old Witch said:
Primo and dhb are two peas in a pod. Primo is the leaner, drier, less mass building of the two. Dhb puts weight on you. Serious hard weight. Both make you feel alpha, top of the world, do no wrong... both cause acne, and primo causes some to shed but with dhb that’s rare. Neither caused me to shed. Primo is anti estrogenic, dhb is not.

I really like both of them quite a lot. Delta-1 steroids in general so far have the most agreeable reaction in my body. And it seems I’m not alone.
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Yeah, I know about the differences between the two :D I meant to ask how do they compare regarding feeling hyper, heart rate, etc...?
 
Matthersby said:
Just had 1/4 of a 1:1 cbd/thc gummy. Some Kava tea, an aspirin, and 3 Benadryl.
And I’m taking Trest and Dbol. No problems in the world right now.

But if I was taking Superdrol right now, the only thing that make me feel this calm is Valium and a strong beta blocker. DHTs just beat me up.
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Haha that's quite a lot of stuff lmao I would need to be taking all of that throughout the day, not just when going to sleep.

I never thought about the mental sides of aas on this level much. Sure, you get more aggressive, assertive, etc. but all of this also leads to not beeing able to calm down and also to beeing a lot less emotional or less in touch with your feelings. This then depends on your structure, what works for you and what not. I could go chop some wood or go work on a construction yard or chrunch some numbers now but I can't do my work - creative/art. Actually thinking of taking some clomid lmao to bring me a little back to beeing a person...

SD kept me reall sluggish and calm at 20mg. Didn't sleep really good no but I wasn't feeling hyper on it at all, not mentally and not physically.
 
Old Witch said:
Primo is the more hyper of the two. It’s anti estrogenic.
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So because of the fact that it's "lowering estrogen", you are thinking it's more similar to pure dht? Does primo make you personally hyper, euphoric?

It's a shame that dhb is hard to find in europe...
 
Jinsun said:
So because of the fact that it's "lowering estrogen", you are thinking it's more similar to pure dht? Does primo make you personally hyper, euphoric?

It's a shame that dhb is hard to find in europe...
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They both give a euphoria to me that I call the “alpha feeling” but not hyper. I just want to get my things done as soon as I get up. Wake up like a gunshot totally refreshed and lively.

Dhb might make it harder to sleep at night, and cause night sweats, primo makes it really hard for me to sleep at night.

Neither one ever changed my heart rate or intensity.

I think that yes, because primo has those anti estrogenic effects it’s closer to a true dht. And dhb is closer to regular testosterone, but without aromatization, thusly without any estrogenic issues whatsoever. I think that the delta-1 bond affects how it interacts with the heart and organs favorably vs dht.
 
If I take actual dht, proviron or winstrol, masteron, superdrol even(until that liver lethargy kicks in) its like being on a pot of coffee all day and super irritated/Aggressive.
 
It’s not that crazy deca-dianabol euphoria where it’s like your brain floods with serotonin.
 
Tnx you sir, really useful feedback!

It kinda looks like I should hive sarms a nother go maybe.
 
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