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h drol on caloric deficit

eballarj

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So, I'm running an intentionally low dose 50/50/50/50 h drol cycle right now on a 300-500 calorie deficit. I have a couple questions for anyone who cares to answer:

How would you recommend splitting the dosage? Right now, I'm on day 5, and I have basically been taking 50mg 3-4 hours before my workout. I dunno how, but I have gained 1.5 lbs in that time period already!

Also, does anyone thinkin I could cut even more calories while still minimizing muscle loss? Or should I keep it 300-500?

Stats about me:
5'5"
180bs
12ish % bf (haven't measured in a while)

Diet:
2500ish calories, 200g+ protein / day

I'm also doing fasted cardio in the mornings 3x/week as well as post workout cardio on lifting days (low/moderate intensity)

Thanks
 
Hmm, now that I think of it, that 1.5lbs could be partially from the creatine, which I have started again after taking a couple months off!
 
Hdrol's half life is long enough to dose 1x per day, right before wo is fine. The dose ur on, 50mg, is not exactly a low dose, although of course ive seen higher. The hdrol should keep your from catabolizing muscle but if ur losing at ur current diet you dont need to lose too much quicker if ur already at 12%
 
when losing weight faster isnt always better from my experience usually the faster u lose it the faster in comes back ur body has to become stable at a certain %bf or it will consume muscle to get back to where it wants to be and thats usually higher than u would like
 
Thanks for the input!

Eric brings up an interesting point. I wonder how the calorie deficit will affect my pct in regards to muscle catabolism. Hopefully I do not lose all the muscle I just attempted to spare!
 
my last epi cycle was during a cut and i ran a larger deficit than you, around 2K cals/day. I did keep my strength pretty nicely, just lost endurance from glycogen depletion.
during PCT i ramped back up to bulking cals and my strength is still going up.
i think your plan sounds solid. ease into the deficit, 2500 is good, you may need to cut back more in a few weeks. I did fasted cardio on off days, but not on lifting days. that to me is just too much.
 
Do not take steroids on a calorie deficit.. that just retarded... Clen offers way better muscle retention and weight loss... or cortisol blockers.... or all sorts of stuf...
 
Urban, that's a crazy cut! How did u look after your cycle and how did you look after pct? Or what were your bf measurements? Did u maintain most of your muscle?

Deadaim, clen sounds scary. Lol. I thought about it before, I might try it when I'm single, but I don't wanna start wigging out and being all cracked or while I have a new gf lol.
 
eballarj said:
Thanks for the input!

Eric brings up an interesting point. I wonder how the calorie deficit will affect my pct in regards to muscle catabolism. Hopefully I do not lose all the muscle I just attempted to spare!
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I would up the calories during pct. Consider your time on as your time frame for the cut and then bring calories back to maintenance during pct so you dont catabolize.



deadaim said:
Do not take steroids on a calorie deficit.. that just retarded... Clen offers way better muscle retention and weight loss... or cortisol blockers.... or all sorts of stuf...
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eballarj said:
Deadaim, clen sounds scary. Lol. I thought about it before, I might try it when I'm single, but I don't wanna start wigging out and being all cracked or while I have a new gf lol.
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Lol to both of you. Deadaim - taking PH or AAS during a cut (a calorie deficit) is done ALL the time. For those with low bf % who are trying to get even lower by using T3, a supporting PH is a must. ballar - taking clen is like having one too many cups of coffee. It isnt like doing crack, lol. For me, the stuff had no effect after 2 days. I wouldn't bother with it but don't be afraid of using clen cause of the "up" side effect.
 
eballarj said:
Urban, that's a crazy cut! How did u look after your cycle and how did you look after pct? Or what were your bf measurements? Did u maintain most of your muscle?

Deadaim, clen sounds scary. Lol. I thought about it before, I might try it when I'm single, but I don't wanna start wigging out and being all cracked or while I have a new gf lol.
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it wasnt crazy, and it worked great. i have a log here if you want specifics. i lost size mainly from glycogen and water. i maintained strength and was VERY happy with achieving a 12lb weight loss with losing 2.5" from my waist. Didnt do BF. My size came back quickly post-cut and I'm up 5lbs in 17 days.
I dont know about Clen either, but the fat loss supps I used along with the Epi worked great.
 
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