First Cycle Dosage/PCT Check

[mattyfine]

This is my first cycle. I've been researching for several months and finally decided on the way i want to go. My goal is too put on a some quality muscle while getting more defined and losing some body fat. I've tried all the alternatives and my diet is perfect(1800 clean calories properly distributed), so I'm ready to commit. Here is what I'm thinking of please critique in any way. Wanted the advice of experienced users.

Weeks 1-8:
Primobolan Depot 100mg, 2-3x weekly
Testosterone Propionate 75mg EOD
Week 9:
Clomid 100mg daily
nolvadex 20mg daily
Week 10:
Clomid 75mg daily
nolvadex 20mg daily
Week 11:
Clomid 50mg daily
nolvadex 20mg daily
Week 12:
Clomid 25mg daily
nolvadex 10mg daily

I'm also taking Saw Palmetto, Milk thistle, Fish oil, Flax Seed Oil, Glucosamine and Chondroitin, animal pak, ZMA, whey with bcaa, torrent and Melatonin

1. Am i able to mix these two into one needle on days where the injections overlap?
2. What is the minimum length and gauge of the needle I can use for each?

 

[Brolic]

whaty is primo?

 

[Perfection300]

200-300mgs of Primo is not going to do ANYTHING.

Primo is a weaker aas and needs to be ran at high dosages to see benefits.

Why Test Prop? Hope needles arent a problem for you, because that's gonna be alot of injections!

Do you know what muscles to hit? (rotate between injections)?

Why not just run a long ester test like C or E for 10 weeks?

Testosterone IS Testosterone.........Just less injections with long esters.

 

[mattyfine]

200-300mgs of Primo is not going to do ANYTHING.

Primo is a weaker aas and needs to be ran at high dosages to see benefits.

Why Test Prop? Hope needles arent a problem for you, because that's gonna be alot of injections!

Do you know what muscles to hit? (rotate between injections)?

Why not just run a long ester test like C or E for 10 weeks?

Testosterone IS Testosterone.........Just less injections with long esters.

I was under the impression that test prop was best for a lean mass cutting cycle?
no I have no issues with getting or injecting myself. we will see how bad the prop pain is.
I was planning on rotating my glutes, lateral quads, and possiibly delts. with 25g and 23 gauge needles. wanted to combine these doses on days I am due for both shots but not sure if I can or if the 25g needle was long enough.
the primo dose was recommended as a beginner user dose more to boost the props effects and provide mass that wouldn't be lost as easily in pct. I read this in the anivolic bible which im beginning to doubt. it said more advanced users will use 700mg a week but 200 was ok. this board knows better from what I've been seeing that's why im checking against as many resources as possible.

 

[mooch2321]

minimum 500 a week on the primo
at a gram a week this shiz is awesome. but that is one expensive cycle

 

[Perfection300]

I was under the impression that test prop was best for a lean mass cutting cycle?
no I have no issues with getting or injecting myself. we will see how bad the prop pain is.
I was planning on rotating my glutes, lateral quads, and possiibly delts. with 25g and 23 gauge needles. wanted to combine these doses on days I am due for both shots but not sure if I can or if the 25g needle was long enough.
the primo dose was recommended as a beginner user dose more to boost the props effects and provide mass that wouldn't be lost as easily in pct. I read this in the anivolic bible which im beginning to doubt. it said more advanced users will use 700mg a week but 200 was ok. this board knows better from what I've been seeing that's why im checking against as many resources as possible.

Some ppl recommend prop for lean muscle over test c & e, because some users tend to bloat more on the longer esters than with the prop ester.

Forget the primo. The minimum dose to see *good* gains is 600mgs.... Same as Equipoise. Also Primo has a long ester which takes it awhile to kick in, also comparable to Equipoise , so it should be ran for 10+ weeks for the real benefits.

So stacking a short ester (test prop) & a long ester (primo) doesn't make to much sense.

IMO , if I was going to be shooting prop I would stack it with a short ester like tren or winstrol. But considering this is your first cycle , no tren!

Test P, and winstrol would be a fantastic stack.

 

[mooch2321]

Some ppl recommend prop for lean muscle over test c & e, because some users tend to bloat more on the longer esters than with the prop ester.

Forget the primo. The minimum dose to see *good* gains is 600mgs.... Same as Equipoise. Also Primo has a long ester which takes it awhile to kick in, also comparable to Equipoise , so it should be ran for 10+ weeks for the real benefits.

So stacking a short ester (test prop) & a long ester (primo) doesn't make to much sense.

IMO , if I was going to be shooting prop I would stack it with a short ester like tren or winstrol. But considering this is your first cycle , no tren!

Test P, and winstrol would be a fantastic stack.

:goodpost:

 

[mattyfine]

IMO , if I was going to be shooting prop I would stack it with a short ester like tren or winstrol. But considering this is your first cycle , no tren!

Test P, and winstrol would be a fantastic stack.

Bro you described my ideal cycle but after waiting three months for Winny to show up I bought the Primo because i couldnt get what i wanted. Maybe I'll hold off and get what I wanted appreciate all the advice. Thanks.

 

[Perfection300]

Bro you described my ideal cycle but after waiting three months for Winny to show up I bought the Primo because i couldnt get what i wanted. Maybe I'll hold off and get what I wanted appreciate all the advice. Thanks.

Honestly, Test Prop for a first cycle is all you need.

Your receptors are fresh and you will gain easier this one then any other you chose to run. *unless you go crazy on your 2nd cycle that is lol*

Stacking for a first is not needed really.

And, don't run the primo, you will just be wasting money. Get more of it and run it next time.