Expired Viagra

AdelV

AdelV

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Haha,
I'm curious if it degrades? Ive taken old PWO and it's felt the same as 5-6 years ago.

I found some old V's tho and I honestly thought it barely worked? I recall in the past getting major headaches, and a stuffy nose but didn't experience any of that. It expired 2015, however I'm surprised it's degraded so fast compared to many supplements I've kept in storage over the years?

Is it a prescription medications thing?
 
3 years expired I would skip. Meds and supps loose their effectiveness after a while.
 
AdelV said:
Haha,
I'm curious if it degrades? Ive taken old PWO and it's felt the same as 5-6 years ago.

I found some old V's tho and I honestly thought it barely worked? I recall in the past getting major headaches, and a stuffy nose but didn't experience any of that. It expired 2015, however I'm surprised it's degraded so fast compared to many supplements I've kept in storage over the years?

Is it a prescription medications thing?
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I have heard the expiry is just when the medicine start degrading and becoming less efficient so itd probably still work after a year or so just not as well
 
DemonDevster said:
I have heard the expiry is just when the medicine start degrading and becoming less efficient so itd probably still work after a year or so just not as well
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This is copy and pasted. Apparently the active ingredient sildenafil does degrade w time. 5 years after manufacture date becoming useless.


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Five years from manufacture, it will be completely inert.* Until then, it will simply have a weaker effect than a full, fresh dose, and the older the* drug, the weaker the effect will be.* If you’d like to extend the life of your Viagra, put it in a refrigerator; the cold will keep more of the drug active for longer, due to the cold preventing molecular breakdown.* Otherwise, you can take the Viagra: just don’t expect quite as much of a lift.
 
so just curious and one of the few times I'm not being a smart ass. For the people saying they don't think it degrades or loses potency, what do you think the expiration date is for?
 
Aleksandar37 said:
so just curious and one of the few times I'm not being a smart ass. For the people saying they don't think it degrades or loses potency, what do you think the expiration date is for?
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It depends on what type of product (ex: supplement vs drug vs food), as well as how it is stored. In “ideal conditions,” unopened, some drugs may last quite a bit longer and still retain potency.

Apparently the Pentagon did a shelf-life program test and found that “Many drugs stored under reasonable conditions retain 90 percent of their potency for at least five years after the expiration date on the label, and sometimes much longer.”

Of course, not everyone stores things in reasonable conditions,

“"The actual shelf life of many pharmaceutical products might be considerably longer than the expiration date that appears on the manufacturer's container, which could result in unnecessary waste, higher pharmaceutical costs, and possibly reduced access to necessary drugs for some patients," the AMA's Council on Scientific Affairs said.”

“The shelf-life program found that manufacturers use conservative expiration dates. About 85 percent of the Pentagon's drug stockpile remained good after the expiration date, and shelf-life program extended their expiration dates by an average of 57 months, according to the FDA.”

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This review/paper seems to discuss potential stability over a maximum of 5 years, when it seems like the shelf-life/expiration date is listed/used as 2 years:
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They're stored in a room with most my supplements which all work fine.

Expiry was 03/2015, roughly 4 years ago. They were manufactured in 2012.

I recall taking these a long time ago, I remember the headaches and stuffy nose.

I popped 150mg and not even kidding, they barely work.

I might have to reorder a small batch, and test. I'm confident I use to do 50mg and it was fine.


I've never had this issue with old stims, but I remember taking an old Aspire 36 cap and it was nowhere near as potent.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
It depends on what type of product (ex: supplement vs drug vs food), as well as how it is stored. In “ideal conditions,” unopened, some drugs may last quite a bit longer and still retain potency.
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nice. was just going to post about us dod s.l.e.p study - now don't :-) :thumbsup:
 
From everything I have been told drugs absolutely lose their potency. I have alot of nurses in my family and they are always throwing meds away according to expiration dates. Once they lose their potency you could try and take more to make up for it, but there is no way to tell how much of a dose you are getting.
 
EMPIREMIND said:
From everything I have been told drugs absolutely lose their potency. I have alot of nurses in my family and they are always throwing meds away according to expiration dates. Once they lose their potency you could try and take more to make up for it, but there is no way to tell how much of a dose you are getting.
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They do lose their potency, just not all at the same rate, and not all even to any significant amount at their expiration date. It’s not recommended to try to make up for it because that’d require knowing exactly the rate at which that specific drug loses potency. It also depends on the condition in which it was stored. If it was left unopened in a dark cabinet in a cool and dry environment it’ll likely last longer than if it was opened for a year and stored in the bathroom where it regularly gets humid to the point that water collects on the mirror that’s also the door of the cabinet the pills are in. For a nurse to not obey the expiration date would require them to know EXACTLY all of these variables. It’s covering their ass by not trying to extend the life of the drugs because they really don’t know, and don’t want the liability for disobeying label directions in the case something goes wrong.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
They do lose their potency, just not all at the same rate, and not all even to any significant amount at their expiration date. It’s not recommended to try to make up for it because that’d require knowing exactly the rate at which that specific drug loses potency. It also depends on the condition in which it was stored. If it was left unopened in a dark cabinet in a cool and dry environment it’ll likely last longer than if it was opened for a year and stored in the bathroom where it regularly gets humid to the point that water collects on the mirror that’s also the door of the cabinet the pills are in. For a nurse to not obey the expiration date would require them to know EXACTLY all of these variables. It’s covering their ass by not trying to extend the life of the drugs because they really don’t know, and don’t want the liability for disobeying label directions in the case something goes wrong.
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I definitely understand the liability aspect, but I'm referring to my wifey or my ex raiding my medicine cabinet and just throwing stuff away because it was a year old lol, not in a professional enviorment where thier license would be in question. Although they may just be training to do so, they know a lot more about pharmacology then I do so I tend to just roll with the punches and trust thier word for it. I don't doubt they still may work, but to what effect, you don't know, and if your looking for the drug to fix an ailment, you want it to be effective. Something like Viagra I guess you could keep adding to the dose to achieve the result you want, but something like an antibiotic, you want it to be fresh so it does what you need it to. I also would think that if it is expired but not too far past the date it wouldn't be as bad as it being a year past the date. Either way I think it just leaves you in a position where you simply don't know what your getting in regards to the dosage...
 
EMPIREMIND said:
I definitely understand the liability aspect, but I'm referring to my wifey or my ex raiding my medicine cabinet and just throwing stuff away because it was a year old lol, not in a professional enviorment where thier license would be in question. Although they may just be training to do so, they know a lot more about pharmacology then I do so I tend to just roll with the punches and trust thier word for it. I don't doubt they still may work, but to what effect, you don't know, and if your looking for the drug to fix an ailment, you want it to be effective. Something like Viagra I guess you could keep adding to the dose to achieve the result you want, but something like an antibiotic, you want it to be fresh so it does what you need it to. I also would think that if it is expired but not too far past the date it wouldn't be as bad as it being a year past the date. Either way I think it just leaves you in a position where you simply don't know what your getting in regards to the dosage...
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Yeah, unless you have data available for a specific drug, actual testing for potency after the expiration date, you don’t really know. What are the chances that a nurse has this very specific and detailed data for every single drug that they come into contact with? Or any drug they come into contact with for that matter. Did you read my previous posts? Government testing found that some drugs maintain effective/sufficient potency months/years after expiration if stored in an ideal environment. But some drugs last much longer after the expiration date than others. Also, the military of some large organization that has a large supply of drugs may end up having a ton of unopened bottles expire, but odds are that at the individual consumer/user level, most of your bottles will be opened by the time they expire, and will also likely not be stored in an ideal environment.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
so just curious and one of the few times I'm not being a smart ass. For the people saying they don't think it degrades or loses potency, what do you think the expiration date is for?
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To increase sales silly. You act as if the pharmaceutical industry pillars of morality.
 
Aeternal said:
To increase sales silly. You act as if the pharmaceutical industry pillars of morality.
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Not really, they need money to produce product, money to create new drugs, and money to pay everyone to do all that plus buld up and keep up the facilities.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Yeah, unless you have data available for a specific drug, actual testing for potency after the expiration date, you don’t really know. What are the chances that a nurse has this very specific and detailed data for every single drug that they come into contact with? Or any drug they come into contact with for that matter. Did you read my previous posts? Government testing found that some drugs maintain effective/sufficient potency months/years after expiration if stored in an ideal environment. But some drugs last much longer after the expiration date than others. Also, the military of some large organization that has a large supply of drugs may end up having a ton of unopened bottles expire, but odds are that at the individual consumer/user level, most of your bottles will be opened by the time they expire, and will also likely not be stored in an ideal environment.
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I read your post. I agree with you, I just may have responded a little funny, I am on my mobile and wrote it fast lol.
 
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