Epistrong/helladrol

ChocolateClen said:
lol I have < $10 in my bank account right now, I'll try that recipe out when I can buy food. For now it's rice, milk, and protein powder lol.

People always be like it's hard to gain muscle in college and they can eat anything they want, here I am living off rice and protein powder and I'm still making massive gains in the gym.

It's possible guys, never give up lol.

As for rerailing the convo, Epi produces some pretty lean dry gains but you have to be careful with the estrogen from what I remember it decently converts to estrogen if not controlled. It's Been a really long time since I read up on it, I'd say 4 years since I took it..
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Epistane is antiestrogenic, so estrogen problems on cycle usually aren't an issue, but after the cycle it can cause estrogen to rebound
 
sespress said:
I've got an excess of both so no worries there.

So I think the way this is shaping up is:

Epistane
LGD
4-Andro/Trest (I don't see why I don't split dose amounts between the two and run them both)
Joint support
Cycle support (of course. Arm1care w/ maybe a bit of extra TUDCA thrown in)
Arimidex
B6

And a crap load of dieting and fat loss between now and then.
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Lgd is pointless. Try to only use arimidex if you feel it's necessary because it will dry out your joints
 
AnabolicGuru said:
Lgd is pointless. Try to only use arimidex if you feel it's necessary because it will dry out your joints
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I've heard good things about LGD. I also have Ostarine. Why do you say so? I know some guys don't actually think SARMS are anabolic, more anti catabolic. Is that your position on them as well or just don't like LGD?
 
sespress said:
I've heard good things about LGD. I also have Ostarine. Why do you say so? I know some guys don't actually think SARMS are anabolic, more anti catabolic. Is that your position on them as well or just don't like LGD?
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Ostarine is generally used on cuts to retain muscle mass, while lgd is used for mass, but its weak in comparison to epistane and isnt worth adding imo
 
Just wanted to thank everyone for their responses so far.

As to epistane shelf life:. Each time I read about it something comes out, like improper storage, unsealed bottles, product contaminated from the get go.

But anyways have you seen is decomposition products? Turns into sdrol or some other ph. So while the epistane might be breaking down any that does turns into another anabolic. A wetter one but still active
 
Rebound is one of those things that I am kind of mystified by. I'd they're anything to do about it? Taking an AI into PCT
 
ChocolateClen said:
I don't see the mention of an AI but all AIs work the same way. They keep test from converting to estrogen in your body. Aromasin or Addex will do the job.
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What I mean is that aromasin is a suicide inhibitor and I've heard accounts that the body simply produces more aromatase to make up for it, whereas arimidex can "let go" of the enzyme after a while so it might be more effective. I've seen debates on the effectiveness of aromasin because of this.

Anyways I may end up only having enough of the one brand of epistane that I'll be subbing in another product which will have trenevar in the same dose. Wasn't counting correctly before. Dunno if that's changing much, I'm busy looking up trenevar right now.
 
sespress said:
What I mean is that aromasin is a suicide inhibitor and I've heard accounts that the body simply produces more aromatase to make up for it, whereas arimidex can "let go" of the enzyme after a while so it might be more effective. I've seen debates on the effectiveness of aromasin because of this.

Anyways I may end up only having enough of the one brand of epistane that I'll be subbing in another product which will have trenevar in the same dose. Wasn't counting correctly before. Dunno if that's changing much, I'm busy looking up trenevar right now.
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ChocolateClen is correct: you need a suicidal AI like exem to prevent rebound gyno. The standard dosing protocol of exem in PCT for rebound gyno is

Exem 0/0/12.5eod/12.5eod/12.5eod/12.5eod
 
Nolva 40/40/20/20 exemestane 0/0/6.25/6.25/6.25/6.25 is what I would do for pct if you are gyno prone. Epistane shut me down pretty hard in all honesty
 
AnabolicGuru said:
Nolva 40/40/20/20 exemestane 0/0/6.25/6.25/6.25/6.25 is what I would do for pct if you are gyno prone. Epistane shut me down pretty hard in all honesty
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No Clomid? That discussion is always interesting. Nolv vs Clom.

Anyways thought I'd just post that I'm dropping Trest from my current stack After only a week and two days or so. I'm not feeling quite right, something is off and I'm feeling strange. Lots of twitching muscles. Pec's and upper back. and odd moments of dizziness. Actually kind of freaked me out. Today is the first day without it and I'm noticing an improvement in my overall sense of well-being. I don't know for sure it's related but i feel like it is.

I'll pick up some exemestane for the next cycle in the coming month or so and just sit on it so it's there, but to go back to the test base discussion from before I think 4-Andro will be the go to. I'll already have a ton on hand and I handled it well.
 
You could go nolva or clomid for pct, but since it's just epistane and a test base, one or the other will be fine. Nolva is better at preventing estrogen from attaching to the breast receptors, thats why im using it. Exemestane can just be on hand for pct, doesnt need to be ran with it
 
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