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Different results 22 y.o with high test vs steroid user

FitnessLuke

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Basically they say the average test levels for a 22 y.o is like 500-700 nanograms. If that is true would that mean a 22 year old would have to inject 700+ nanograms of test to see the same results as an older gentleman injecting 700ng test?

I know there are many variables here like genes and diet, but just like a general answer would be nice
 
Trying to find the right angle to approach this question, your asking for a 2 answers, a 22yo to with 700ng/dl test level and a 40yo injecting enough gear to obtain 700ngdl level of test, they would have the same test level, would they grow muscle the same?, I think which you answered for your self variable depend on genetic,diet, work out plan, and other hormones, estro, HGH. I believe the 22yo would have the advantage due to flex ability, body able to adapt, probaly less health issue. Less years of decay to the body,
 
MuscleJ said:
Trying to find the right angle to approach this question, your asking for a 2 answers, a 22yo to with 700ng/dl test level and a 40yo injecting enough gear to obtain 700ngdl level of test, they would have the same test level, would they grow muscle the same?, I think which you answered for your self variable depend on genetic,diet, work out plan, and other hormones, estro, HGH. I believe the 22yo would have the advantage due to flex ability, body able to adapt, probaly less health issue. Less years of decay to the body,
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Okay makes sense, but how much test would a 22 year have to inject to see results. For example say he naturally had 600-700ng. If he were to do a 500ng test cycle would he make no gains since basically hed be shutting down is hpta and end up with lower test levels than his natural levels?
 
No, you are comparing physiological levels to moving well beyond that. For mass and strength gaining purposes, staying within normal levels are going to provide similar gains provided everything else is the same. There are benefits moving within that range, however, and why the goal of TRT is move into the normal to high normal ranges. These benefits are outside of what you are talking about ie. libido, memory, stress response, energy, etc.. A cycle of 500mg is going to move someone well beyond physiological levels and that is where large gains in mass and strength will be observed.

If a person with 500-700 levels injected 500mg of test ew, they would be well over the normal range for as long as they are injecting as this will shut them down. Once they are done with the cycle, PCT is needed to allow the HPTA to start work again and normalize hormone production.
 
kisaj said:
No, you are comparing physiological levels to moving well beyond that. For mass and strength gaining purposes, staying within normal levels are going to provide similar gains provided everything else is the same. There are benefits moving within that range, however, and why the goal of TRT is move into the normal to high normal ranges. These benefits are outside of what you are talking about ie. libido, memory, stress response, energy, etc.. A cycle of 500mg is going to move someone well beyond physiological levels and that is where large gains in mass and strength will be observed.

If a person with 500-700 levels injected 500mg of test ew, they would be well over the normal range for as long as they are injecting as this will shut them down. Once they are done with the cycle, PCT is needed to allow the HPTA to start work again and normalize hormone production.
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I understand pct and basically everything else you said. Youre saying injecting 500-700 ng will result in much higher test levels than someone with 700ng natural test? If thats the case I think I got the information I was looking for
 
You are using the wrong measurement terms. Ng is a unit measurement used for levels in the body. You inject mg.

To get to 700 levels of test (average), I would inject approx 50mg
 
kisaj said:
You are using the wrong measurement terms. Ng is a unit measurement used for levels in the body. You inject mg.

To get to 700 levels of test (average), I would inject approx 50mg
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Ohhhh..yeahh no wonder people get huge off test. That means 500 mg of test would result in your body achieving a level of 7000 ng.

Using the formula 50/500=700/x
 
No, it isn't linear. I was just providing an example to explain the differences in the measurements you were using.
 
Your trying to compare ngsl vs mg which doesn't add up. 500mg of test should put a 22yo well over his natural ability.
 
MuscleJ said:
Your trying to compare ngsl vs mg which doesn't add up. 500mg of test should put a 22yo well over his natural ability.
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Yeah I finally found that missing link out of the equation. Which basically convinced me a cycle would be worth doing. Ive been back and fourth for months, but think this Christmas im guna go through with it.
 
At 5'10 180, you aren't maximizing what you can do naturally, so just keep in mind a cycle isn't magic.
 
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