Diesel Test HC, and other natty boosts during PCT

[sespress]

Simple thread. Wondering about these, even if it's a Natty boost can't you expect SOME suppression if they work as desired?
Brandinooooo B/c he got me started on this new crack, lol.

You ever worry this is going to effect the whole HPTA axis at some level? Stuff seems pretty hardcore as advertised and another thread on here has a guy who's saying it's jacked up his free test.

Products like kings blood, testify, alphamax, etc...

 

[vujade]

nothing natty will suppress Testosterone. But they raise Test / LH / FSH thru different means.

un-like PH's or Steroids that actually replace your test with something synthetic and shut you down.

I'd also check out CEL M-Test and BLR Viron as well...

 

[The_Old_Guy]

Are you taking Clomid, Nolva, et. al. in this PCT?

 

[sespress]

Are you taking Clomid, Nolva, et. al. in this PCT?

Of course. I'm splitting the dose between the two just because clomid gave me some issues at 50/25. So Nolva 12.5 , clomid 12.5. taken together. And exemestane 12.5(eod). Been fine with this so far (like just ending the second week).

 

[The_Old_Guy]

Of course. I'm splitting the dose between the two just because clomid gave me some issues at 50/25. So Nolva 12.5 , clomid 12.5. taken together. And exemestane 12.5(eod). Been fine with this so far (like just ending the second week).

Then what do you expect to get from the natural products you are asking about? Your production will be at the max, as will your levels. Super high T and DHT will cover all the feel good/ libido bases as well.

 

[sespress]

Then what do you expect to get from the natural products you are asking about? Your production will be at the max, as will your levels. Super high T and DHT will cover all the feel good/ libido bases as well.

I had thought it was a good idea to start these during PCT and run them straight into the time off period. Also I am getting something from them. It's undeniable. I didn't have them in until like day 3 of PCT due to a mail issue. I NB noticed a decrease in strength, motivation initially. After I started the other supps things improved markedly.

 

[sespress]

Then what do you expect to get from the natural products you are asking about? Your production will be at the max, as will your levels. Super high T and DHT will cover all the feel good/ libido bases as well.

D and I'm just trying to find out if it's possible for higher test levels (regardless of how) to suppress the natural production.

 

[The_Old_Guy]

D and I'm just trying to find out if it's possible for higher test levels (regardless of how) to suppress the natural production.

If there's stuff like nootropics, adaptogens, etc... or libido stuff - you could feel different/better. They work differently than the androgen receptor. There seems to be a common denominator of Nettle and Long Jack (one, the other, or both) actually doing a pretty good job at increasing Free T (at least in the one N=1 bloodwork that was posted, and it was delivered trans-dermal). But as far as Testosterone, it is doing nothing while you are on Clomid and Nolva. They raise your levels 100-200 points when you are near the bottom of the scale - at over 1000 (maybe/probably/hopefully) on the SERMs, it's like adding a match to a California Wild Fire as far as Testosterone goes.

There is also the issue of SERM source - is it Rx or RC? If it's bunk product, I can see adding the natural product helping.

Natural products don't suppress.