DERM/H-DROL?

joemoney1rock

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Anyone ran this together ? or would derm/epi be a better choice for a first run? Also what if you run hdrol at just 25mg, over time will you gain or is it a waste ?
I have the derm already and nolva w cycle support, planned on running just derm but everyone is saying its pointless for any mass gains, would a derm and formeron as pct yield anything worth running ?
 
I've ran Derm and Hdrol twice and it works great. Derm can be loosely considered a test base, it will help with some of the lethargy and give an overall sense of wellness.

I'll suggest that hdrol at 25mg will be pretty much useless. I would run it similar to 50/75/75/90/90/90. Most guys with any hdrol experience start at 90 and go for 6 weeks, some opt for 120 late in the cycle but I think you get into the "diminished returns" argument by then.
 
I def wouldn't dose it that high being my first run and I tend to be paranoid/worry so I'd do the recommended dose but how were the sides when you've run it ? The gains ?
 
joemoney1rock said:
I def wouldn't dose it that high being my first run and I tend to be paranoid/worry so I'd do the recommended dose but how were the sides when you've run it ? The gains ?
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Sides were manageable, a bit of lethargy and occasionally cranky for no reason. Keep a close eye on BP and you should be fine. Despite being relatively "mild" it can still have an effect on your lipids, just something else to consider. As far as gains I absolutely loved it, I don't get too hung up on weight gain, I think the mirror and the observations of others will tell the story.

Now, keep in mind that I work very hard to get ready to run a cycle. These compounds aren't magic. Waaaayyyy to many people have completely unrealistic goals when it comes to PH's. You can't turn silly putty into granite during a 6 week run.
 
I hear ya, I've heard the derm helps w the lethargy, I worry about the bp and those issues(hairloss/libido) I have my cycle support and nolva. Any other compounds you would suggest being lack of side effect friendly?
 
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