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critique my 3rd cycle please.

sidekikyoface

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Updated after suggestions!


6'0 205 lbs

BF 15%

25 years old.

Last cycle was 3 years ago.
been lifting for 10 years.
recently started doing mma for 1.5 years.

Purpose to cut more fat and gain muscle.

My diet is in check.

3 days of intense MMA
3 days of intense lifting.
1 day of rest
Gallon of Water
Multi V
Fish oil
CEL Cycle Assist
Glucosamine



Week 1-3
Pre workout
N.O Xplode
Beet root Juice 1 oz
CoQ10 100-200 mg a day


Post workout
BCAA not sure how many grams i should take.


Week 3-8 All of the above but now adding PH
30mg for 2.5 weeks. then to 45 mg for the last 2.5 weeks. (5 weeks total on epibolin)
Stacked with Win50 100mg for 2.5 weeks. then 200mg for the last 2.5 weeks (5 weeks total on Win50)

Week 9-13 PCT
Will be taking everything above, minus the PH.

Test force 2 as directed
stacked with Nolvadex 20/20/10/10
will be taking P.C.T Assist by CEL



what do you guys think?
 
sidekikyoface said:
6'0 205 lbs BF 15% 25 years old. Last cycle was 3 years ago. been lifting for 10 years. recently started doing mma for 1.5 years. Purpose to cut more fat and gain muscle. My diet is in check. 3 days of intense MMA 3 days of intense lifting. 1 day of rest Gallon of Water Multi V Fish oil Vitamin D Vit B6 100-200 mg a day Garlic Oil 60mg 2-3 times a day Hawthorne Berries 1.5 g a day Will be taken everyday. Week 1-3 Pre workout N.O Xplode 1-3grams of creatine HCL Beet root Juice 1 oz CoQ10 100-200 mg a day Liver Support (Taken as directed) Post workout BCAA not sure how many grams i should take. Creatine HCl 1-3 grams Week 3-8 All of the above but now adding PH 30mg for 2.5 weeks. then to 45 mg for the last 2.5 weeks. (5 weeks total on epibolin) Stacked with Win50 100mg for 2.5 weeks. then 200mg for the last 2.5 weeks (5 weeks total on Win50) Week 9-13 PCT Will be taking everything above, minus the PH. Test force 2 as directed stacked with either If Nolvadex 40/20/20/10 If Clomid; 100/50/50/25 Then i will go on a juice fast with whey protein for the next 2-3 weeks to detox taking every supps except for PH and PCT what do you guys think?
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Save creatine for pct. back pumps are always an issue for me on epi 5gms a day of taurine helps a bunch.

Last but not least pct is not the time to restrict calories. is the detox sport related ? If you have to do it expect to lose some of your gains. I usually like to use an all in one cycle support or cycle assist just less pills. It still seems like I'm taking pills all day long. Your nolva dose is also a little high 20/20/10/10 should do the trick.
 
sidekikyoface said:
6'0 205 lbs

BF 15%

25 years old.

Last cycle was 3 years ago.
been lifting for 10 years.
recently started doing mma for 1.5 years.

Purpose to cut more fat and gain muscle.

My diet is in check.

3 days of intense MMA
3 days of intense lifting.
1 day of rest

Gallon of Water
Multi V
Fish oil
Vitamin D
Vit B6 100-200 mg a day
Garlic Oil 60mg 2-3 times a day
Hawthorne Berries 1.5 g a day
Will be taken everyday.

Week 1-3
Pre workout
N.O Xplode
1-3grams of creatine HCL
Beet root Juice 1 oz
CoQ10 100-200 mg a day
Liver Support (Taken as directed)

Post workout
BCAA not sure how many grams i should take.
Creatine HCl 1-3 grams

Week 3-8 All of the above but now adding PH
30mg for 2.5 weeks. then to 45 mg for the last 2.5 weeks. (5 weeks total on epibolin)
Stacked with Win50 100mg for 2.5 weeks. then 200mg for the last 2.5 weeks (5 weeks total on Win50)

Week 9-13 PCT
Will be taking everything above, minus the PH.

Test force 2 as directed
stacked with either
If Nolvadex 40/20/20/10
If Clomid; 100/50/50/25

Then i will go on a juice fast with whey protein for the next 2-3 weeks to detox
taking every supps except for PH and PCT

what do you guys think?
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Why are you fasting in pct? That is so stupid you must have to get clean for a drug test? And clomid at 100mg sucks too many sides. Do clomid at 50/50/25/25
 
Is this your first time with epi? 45 mg isn't crazy but it's enough to make my joints ache, and if I were doing Mma with dry achey joints I'd hate my life.

I should probably add, I have no idea what win50 is, so it may help that issue.

Edit: also, why juice fast? Sounds like a good way to waste a cycle.
 
snyder

Thank you for the advice on the nolva!

I might consider the all in one cycle assist, but i like to be cautious especially with these kind of things.
liftandeat
This is why i asked, i just needed some critique.

I prob wont do the fast then, till way later down the road.
PumpHouse

This is my first time with epi. could the dry achy joints be counteracted with glucosamine?




Also add 5mg of finasteride? just in case of hair loss?
 
sidekikyoface said:
snyder

Thank you for the advice on the nolva!

I might consider the all in one cycle assist, but i like to be cautious especially with these kind of things.
liftandeat
This is why i asked, i just needed some critique.

I prob wont do the fast then, till way later down the road.
PumpHouse

This is my first time with epi. could the dry achy joints be counteracted with glucosamine?

Also add 5mg of finasteride? just in case of hair loss?
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Glucosamine might help. Honestly I tried lots of stuff to help my joints on epi, nothing worked that's why I won't do it again. YMMV.
 
pumphose would you recommend any alternative?



After adjusting a few things, and taking consideration from snyder

Multi V
Fish oil
CEL Cycle Assist
joint care Glucosamine



Week 1-3
Pre workout
N.O Xplode
Beet root Juice 1 oz
CoQ10 100-200 mg a day


Post workout
BCAA not sure how many grams i should take.


Week 3-8 All of the above but now adding PH
30mg for 2.5 weeks. then to 45 mg for the last 2.5 weeks. (5 weeks total on epibolin)
Stacked with Win50 100mg for 2.5 weeks. then 200mg for the last 2.5 weeks (5 weeks total on Win50)

Week 9-13 PCT
Will be taking everything above, minus the PH.

Creatine HCL
Test force 2 as directed
stacked with Nolvadex 20/20/10/10
will be taking P.C.T Assist by CEL
 
liftandeat said:
Have you tried cissus extract?
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Yeah. Believe me I've tried stuff. My joints ache normally though, so epi just isn't for me. OP should just be aware that it's an issue. And at 45 mgs is a more than likely issue. So glucosamine at the very least.
 
sidekikyoface said:
pumphose would you recommend any alternative?

After adjusting a few things, and taking consideration from snyder

Multi V
Fish oil
CEL Cycle Assist
joint care Glucosamine

Week 1-3
Pre workout
N.O Xplode
Beet root Juice 1 oz
CoQ10 100-200 mg a day

Post workout
BCAA not sure how many grams i should take.

Week 3-8 All of the above but now adding PH
30mg for 2.5 weeks. then to 45 mg for the last 2.5 weeks. (5 weeks total on epibolin)
Stacked with Win50 100mg for 2.5 weeks. then 200mg for the last 2.5 weeks (5 weeks total on Win50)

Week 9-13 PCT
Will be taking everything above, minus the PH.

Creatine HCL
Test force 2 as directed
stacked with Nolvadex 20/20/10/10
will be taking P.C.T Assist by CEL
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Looks better, I would personally do clomid over nolva, but that's just my preference. The NO Xplode could cause some blood pressure issues/headaches while on cycle so be aware.

Also people say wait until pct to take creatine, I don't get why, if you normally take it, then take it during the cycle too, I see no reason it wouldn't be beneficial.
 
PumpHouse said:
Looks better, I would personally do clomid over nolva, but that's just my preference. The NO Xplode could cause some blood pressure issues/headaches while on cycle so be aware. Also people say wait until pct to take creatine, I don't get why, if you normally take it, then take it during the cycle too, I see no reason it wouldn't be beneficial.
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The creatine is a psychological thing for me it's inevitable to lose a little strength when you come off and the creatine helps to keep it up in pct.
 
Win50 is prostanozol which is notorious for sore joints. If you have the money I would get super cissus and try to take it for a week or 2 before you start.
 
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