Crashed E2 On TRT (Poor Aromatase Activity)

[mamasi_r]

HI
Im 21y - 170Cm - 81KG

Been on Self-TRT for 5months now due to low levels after some years of steroid abuse.

PRE-TRT LEVELS :
Total test : 290NGDL
Free T : 80PGML
DHT : 280PGML
E2 : Somewhere In 15 - 20s PGML

MY PROTOCOL :

1 - Started With 50mg E3D 1Month :
TotalT : 600NGDL
FreeT : 60PGML
E2 : 22PGML
DHT : 2500PGML
SHBG : 21NMOLL
(Increased My DHT Way Up into 2500PGML And i had insomnia and constant anxiety)

2- Decreased To 25mg EOD 3Months :
TotalT : 530NGDL
FreeT : 160PGML
E2 : 31PGML
DHT : 476PGML
(Put me On a Sweet Spot Mentally And Physically)

3- Addedd 250iu HCG + 25mg EOD :
(Everything Was Goin Great Until after 2weeks i started having panick attacks And weired Visual Symptoms Thought it was High e2 but didn't really have any other symptoms of high e2. Im generally just so sensitive to HCG, i added 75iu later on only one dose and again lead to a panick attack and near fainting experience)

4 - Stopped HCG For a Month and Continued With 25mg EOD (Balls Completely Shutdown at this point) :
TotalT : 490NGDL
FreeT : 180PGML
E2 : >10PGML
( Feelin Absolutely Garbage, Constant Anxiety and Panick Attacks every second + Awful Insomnia and racing Thoughts at nights + Constant Heart Race + Paranoia.)

- MY E2 IS CRASHED BAD -

I believe These Are The Reasons :

1. after stopping HCG, My balls Are completely Shutdown and honeymoon phase is officially over wich reduces some aromatase activity
and also Reduces Neurosteroids (Irrelevant For Now)

2. My body naturally has lower Aromatase Activity And converts more to DHT instead.

3. My Dosage is very low (87.5mg/W)

4. The injection frequency Is very high For someone with low SHBG wich leaves my body with crashed E2

MY QUESTION IS :
1. Should I Increase The Dosage and lower FreQuency?
Sth like : 60mg - 80mg twice a week

2. Should I Use Like some Kinda Estradiol Medications?

4. Is There any supplements or diet Tricks to increase

 

[GreenMachineX]

I can’t offer any help as to what to do, other than my own experience. I had low e2 on all doses up to 80mg twice per week (resulted in super high HCT/HGB though), until I went to daily doses of 7-10mg per day. That hasn’t been without issue either, but dealing with high e2 has been at least mildly better then low e2. Low e2 panic sent me to the ER a few times.

Alternating between 7-8mg has been the best for me so far, except for high e2 water retention and maybe a little emotional blunting.

 

[mamasi_r]

I can’t offer any help as to what to do, other than my own experience. I had low e2 on all doses up to 80mg twice per week (resulted in super high HCT/HGB though), until I went to daily doses of 7-10mg per day. That hasn’t been without issue either, but dealing with high e2 has been at least mildly better then low e2. Low e2 panic sent me to the ER a few times.

Alternating between 7-8mg has been the best for me so far, except for high e2 water retention and maybe a little emotional blunting.

thanks for your respond man, yes low e2 panicks are ass im having them 24/7 and having extreme dpdr and dissociation and constantly in fight or flight, i wanna up my dosage and lower frequency i hope that works, how r u doin with 10mg daily? wouldn't that still leave u with low e2? i wish i have the highest e2 on planet but don't experience crashed e2 this **** gives me ptsd

also how can i change my protocol rn wouldn't it be bad to jump from 25mg eod to like 70mg twice per week?

did u change it gradualy? and how long should i wait for every change, i fear if i do 50mg twice a week and i hold it for a month too see the result and that's actually not enough and i waisted a full month and nothin improved

 

[BBiceps]

also how can i change my protocol rn wouldn't it be bad to jump from 25mg eod to like 70mg twice per week?

It depends on the Ester, if it’s Test C or E you’re fine. If you want a bigger spike in estrogen you could even do 1 shot of 140mg a week. When I do TRT/cruise I usually do 1 shot a week.

 

[GreenMachineX]

thanks for your respond man, yes low e2 panicks are ass im having them 24/7 and having extreme dpdr and dissociation and constantly in fight or flight, i wanna up my dosage and lower frequency i hope that works, how r u doin with 10mg daily? wouldn't that still leave u with low e2? i wish i have the highest e2 on planet but don't experience crashed e2 this **** gives me ptsd

also how can i change my protocol rn wouldn't it be bad to jump from 25mg eod to like 70mg twice per week?

did u change it gradualy? and how long should i wait for every change, i fear if i do 50mg twice a week and i hold it for a month too see the result and that's actually not enough and i waisted a full month and nothin improved

I remember the depersonalization effects…horrible.

Like @BBiceps said, most of the time, a single large dose per week results in more e2. I’m an outlier, and struggled with low e2 until doing daily shots. EOD shots also increased e2 a little, but not to this extent.

10mg daily made me crazy. I was super wired. Free T was above range.

8mg daily has me right near the top of the range and experienced “fight or flight” at the whim of any thought.

7-8mg has been better. E2 is still around 50, and currently talking to doctor about low dose adex or DIM to control it. I’m holding way too much water (my boot socks leave indentations in my ankles).

Any protocol you do, give at least 6-8 weeks to verify effects.

 

[BBiceps]

I remember the depersonalization effects…horrible.

Like @BBiceps said, most of the time, a single large dose per week results in more e2. I’m an outlier, and struggled with low e2 until doing daily shots. EOD shots also increased e2 a little, but not to this extent.

10mg daily made me crazy. I was super wired. Free T was above range.

8mg daily has me right near the top of the range and experienced “fight or flight” at the whim of any thought.

7-8mg has been better. E2 is still around 50, and currently talking to doctor about low dose adex or DIM to control it. I’m holding way too much water (my boot socks leave indentations in my ankles).

Any protocol you do, give at least 6-8 weeks to verify effects.

Interesting that daily shots gives you higher E than 1x week. Usually it’s the opposite. Great that you found a routine that works for you.

 

[mamasi_r]

It depends on the Ester, if it’s Test C or E you’re fine. If you want a bigger spike in estrogen you could even do 1 shot of 140mg a week. When I do TRT/cruise I usually do 1 shot a week.

thanks for responding ill make sure to give it a try

 

[LeanEngineer]

Interesting that daily shots gives you higher E than 1x week. Usually it’s the opposite. Great that you found a routine that works for you.

That's what I have heard as well. Crazy how the body responds differently from person to person.