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Blood pressure and starting new blast

Mattgainz69

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30 years old been b&c for years. Was stupid when younger and never really checked my bp or lipids. Now that older finally been trying to stay on top of it.

Been cruising for a year and wanted to do a summer blast. 300 test 300 npp maybe anavar at end.

Bp has been around 140-150/85-90 during cruise. Dr just prescribed me 10mg lisinopril daily to take.

Safe to still start my blast you guys think? Picking up the BP med today and was suppose to start my blast today but not sure if should cancel. I would postpone but have to be off all stuff my September so this will be my last blast.
 
can always back down your test dose & drop NPP if BP starts to get out of hand. prils are fairly affective. I was on losartan before with no sides at all. whats your HCT as higher blood count can also increase BP - have you donated recently.

in a crunch - beet root, garlic, ACV, Hawthorne w/ hibiscus tea can bring down BP by alot.

many here love carditone.
 
barische said:
can always back down your test dose & drop NPP if BP starts to get out of hand. prils are fairly affective. I was on losartan before with no sides at all. whats your HCT as higher blood count can also increase BP - have you donated recently.

in a crunch - beet root, garlic, ACV, Hawthorne w/ hibiscus tea can bring down BP by alot.

many here love carditone.
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Yea rbc and hct were elevated. As well as creatinine levels. My egfr was 57. So that's another concern of mine. Since then u did donate blood and just got more blood work today. Dropped my creatine supplemt as well so hoping to get a more accurate reading on the kidneys.
 
barische said:
so BP isnt the only issue... be careful. u only get 1 set of organs..
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Yea health comes first so if need be ill cancel the whole blast. Just wanted to see what you guys think. I know egfr is not an accurate measurement but with the prolonged hypertention it makes it a concern of mine
 
I saw your other thread - do you have a good BP cuff. I got a OMRON one that is highly rated - they are cheap also 30$ at target.

monitor your BP. Creat at 1.6 is not that bad - get off creatine - try cordyceps, astragalus. retest before upping androgens. AAS does bind to AR at kidneys and worsens function by inducing proteinurea - worsening glomerular function. dont think couple extra pounds of meat is worth dialysis.
 
barische said:
I saw your other thread - do you have a good BP cuff. I got a OMRON one that is highly rated - they are cheap also 30$ at target.

monitor your BP. Creat at 1.6 is not that bad - get off creatine - try cordyceps, astragalus. retest before upping androgens. AAS does bind to AR at kidneys and worsens function by inducing proteinurea - worsening glomerular function. dont think couple extra pounds of meat is worth dialysis.
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Yea got omron one. Thanks for the info man really appreciate. Didn't know how much aas affects kidneys. Was hoping at low doses it wouldn't affect it much but doesn't seem worth it right now
 
Grape seed & pine bark extract dosed twice a day as well as several grams of astragalus once a day are solid bp/kidney/health staples of mine that may help you out.

Make sure the bp is under control before you start, and stop the blast if you can’t control it. That’s why non-educated non-medical opinion - if you don’t have your health you don’t have anything.
 
Hyde said:
Grape seed & pine bark extract dosed twice a day as well as several grams of astragalus once a day are solid bp/kidney/health staples of mine that may help you out.

Make sure the bp is under control before you start, and stop the blast if you can’t control it. That’s why non-educated non-medical opinion - if you don’t have your health you don’t have anything.
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Yea sounds good brotha. Took it this afternoon with an angel of 137/86 so heading in the right direction. Will wait to see what my egfr comes back when I get the blood work tmro.
 
To answer your question, it’s a really really bad place to start a cycle. Usually your numbers are the kind of numbers people get 4 months into a cycle with a gram or two of gear and multiple orals. If you’re on trt with that high of a BP you should focus on getting healthy first. Steroids isn’t for everybody unfortunately.
 
Mathb33 said:
To answer your question, it’s a really really bad place to start a cycle. Usually your numbers are the kind of numbers people get 4 months into a cycle with a gram or two of gear and multiple orals. If you’re on trt with that high of a BP you should focus on getting healthy first. Steroids isn’t for everybody unfortunately.
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Thanks for the response bro. Sucks though cause I feel the best I ever felt and really didn't know till I went to have my physical with a new Dr who actually cares unlike my old doc who always referred it as white coat syndrome.
 
Mathb33 said:
To answer your question, it’s a really really bad place to start a cycle. Usually your numbers are the kind of numbers people get 4 months into a cycle with a gram or two of gear and multiple orals. If you’re on trt with that high of a BP you should focus on getting healthy first. Steroids isn’t for everybody unfortunately.
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Finally been taking it regular with my at home one and been pretty consistent with 132/84 throughout the day. I think I tried focusing so much on my breathing and trying to make my bp low when at Dr's that it makes me stress even more and it skyrockets. Still not saying my bp is good though still got some work to do.
 
Mattgainz69 said:
Finally been taking it regular with my at home one and been pretty consistent with 132/84 throughout the day. I think I tried focusing so much on my breathing and trying to make my bp low when at Dr's that it makes me stress even more and it skyrockets. Still not saying my bp is good though still got some work to do.
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That’s another factor tough, stress. Whenever I go to my trt doctor it’s as bad as 170/60. He doesn’t care as long as the second number is good he knows it’s stress. I take it weekly in stores where they offer it and my BP is always 110 to 120 on 59 to 70. Goes to show how bad anxiety influences it! Also first reading sometimes bad especially stressed person. Take it twice.
 
Mathb33 said:
That’s another factor tough, stress. Whenever I go to my trt doctor it’s as bad as 170/60. He doesn’t care as long as the second number is good he knows it’s stress. I take it weekly in stores where they offer it and my BP is always 110 to 120 on 59 to 70. Goes to show how bad anxiety influences it! Also first reading sometimes bad especially stressed person. Take it twice.
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Yea crazy how much it fluctuates. Hard to dial it in on whether bp meds is the right route to take. Curious to see my egfr tmro thats my big concern but my doctor wants too worried about it. She said it's just an estimate and of you are muscular or workout, also supplementing creatine, can make that number low?
 
Mattgainz69 said:
Yea crazy how much it fluctuates. Hard to dial it in on whether bp meds is the right route to take. Curious to see my egfr tmro thats my big concern but my doctor wants too worried about it. She said it's just an estimate and of you are muscular or workout, also supplementing creatine, can make that number low?
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You want to take a few days off training before getting your creatinine kinase levels checked (these directly influence the estimated Glomular Filtration Rate/eGFR). Elevated high BP can cause permanent lowering of GFR. If the kinase is high again / eGFR lower then it’s probably no fluke. You can see a specialist for more intensive testing to truly check GFR but it’s probably not necessary unless damage is more severe - the course of action would probably be similar. Get bp under control, cut some weight & increase cardio if those are options, start using astragalus as a staple, consider a more moderate protein intake and not using creatine.

I don’t know much about Lisinopril, but ARBs like Telmisartan and Valsartan can prevent a lot of further kidney issues from AAS (both indirectly by controlling blood pressure and directly by other mechanisms I can’t remember and encourage you to read on).
 
Hyde said:
You want to take a few days off training before getting your creatinine kinase levels checked (these directly influence the estimated Glomular Filtration Rate/eGFR). Elevated high BP can cause permanent lowering of GFR. If the kinase is high again / eGFR lower then it’s probably no fluke. You can see a specialist for more intensive testing to truly check GFR but it’s probably not necessary unless damage is more severe - the course of action would probably be similar. Get bp under control, cut some weight & increase cardio if those are options, start using astragalus as a staple, consider a more moderate protein intake and not using creatine.

I don’t know much about Lisinopril, but ARBs like Telmisartan and Valsartan can prevent a lot of further kidney issues from AAS (both indirectly by controlling blood pressure and directly by other mechanisms I can’t remember and encourage you to read on).
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Thanks man appreciate the info. What's kinase?

Nvm got it!
 
barische said:
Look into losartan / ARBs Like previous poster suggested.
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Thanks. Bloods came back and egfr already improving up to 62 from 57 just from lower my creatine dose. Creatinine still.in the 1.5 range.

Bp has been around 138/86 avg but noticed it's a lot higher first thing in the morning. She wants me to hold off on bp meds but I kind of want to just get on them.
 
I always kind of had this illogical view that bp meds were “bad” for you, like you really don’t want to use them unless you absolutely have to. But taking a step back, this is more within the context of when the underlying cause of high bp is something that will harm you in other ways longterm, like obesity, excessive stress/anxiety, sleep disorders. These things really need attention/treated for longterm health to be optimized; the bp meds are a bandaid.

However, in the case of someone who can’t/won’t change the underlying cause (like an AAS user/abuser, or someone who struggles with insomnia or serious eating disorder), the reality is that underlying issue isn’t going away - the next healthiest thing is absolutely still to treat the symptoms.

I mean in your case we’re not even looking at use so you can cycle - you are at a point where you’re simply trying to get a healthy day-to-day reading still.

And if you are going to be using AAS, you definitely want to at least be using it during in your case. That’s not medical advice - that’s just practical brovice. No doctor will tell you AAS is a healthy idea, but if you do decide to bang a hooker, you should at least be wearing a condom, right?
 
been taking carditone and cialis along with cardio. Bp been down to 130/80. I have the lisinopril on hand should i take that or hold off. Bloods came back with egfr up to 62 after dropping the creatine in only 3 weeks. Can i do a mild blast of just 300 test 300 npp?
 
You can do anything you want to - it’s your health & body.

What I would do, is give it more time. Another 4-6 weeks on current protocol and see if things improve further without the Lisinopril. Then if they don’t, I would start the Lisinopril and monitor my bp for several weeks more. Assuming I see a significant drop consistently, THEN I would feel comfortable doing the blast (monitoring bp often and having cutoff bp numbers already defined for when to abort).

I wouldn’t want to add the AAS and Lisinopril all at once and have no idea how much the Lisinopril will help me - I’d rather know that first to try to ensure I never end up with damaging numbers accidentally again).
 
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