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Best pairing with 4-AD

chim_chim

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Don't hate me, but...

... I planned ahead and bought a large amount of 4-Androstenediol before the ban. It has been sitting in an airtight container in a freezer all of this time.

I want to run a longish cycle of transdermal 4-AD, 8 to 12 weeks. What would be some of the classic complements to 4-AD, and what would be some of the newer products that would combine well? I know that 1-Test was the classic combo, and I actually have a decent amount of that in the freezer as well, but that makes me shed badly, so it is unlikely that I will ever use it (or want to).

Epi?
Transdermal Formestane?
Both of the above are antiestrogenic and "dry" compounds.

One of the diavanil products?
The direct metabolite of 4-AD is testosterone, and this would increase the amount of free test.


And as a final question, if 4-AD were still on the market, would it be the #1 seller? Is there anything that has come out in this interim period that has the same safety profile, feel-good effects, and general effectiveness? I know that Superdrol and Pheraplex are stronger, but their side effect profile is not comparable. Epi strikes me as the closest equivalent, even though they are very different compounds.
 
You could kickstart the cycle with some thing like a tren or epi. Then close the cycle with the opposite. For example:

Week 1-12: 4-AD
Week 1-4/6: 19 nor product (the trens)
Week 8-12: Epi

AMS actually sells 4-AD UTT that is an additional conversion step to 4-Androstenediol. This is probably the closes equivalent to the old 4-AD that's still legally available.
 
the closest thing to 4-ad on the market is 1,4ad, which is a pro hormone to boldenone, which is simlilar to test, something like two molecules different, but not sure, and it aromatizes less than test supposedly.

4andostenediol is best stacked with anything. it will give you a test base. so it just depends on your goals.

for all out mass, you could stack it with something like pheraplex, or m1,4add, or even superdrol.

I would think sd/pp stacked with 4-diol would be the best combo. followed up with something like hd, or epi, or a dienolone precursor to harden up the effects.

but keep in mind, though the 4-diol itself will not convert into estrogen, the test will convert, and also it can convert dht. so if you are prone to gyno, adding in something like a dienolone precursor could increase gyno risk.

and also, daily dosage is around 1,000mg each day.

the one from ams is 4-androsterone, which is 4-dhea. and over priced.
 
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