Adding Primo/Mast to cruise for e2 control

[SteamboatSalmom]

Hey guys.

I’ve been cruising on 250 test for around 5 weeks, and have found that by keeping in very small doses of mast/primo (100/100) I have had zero need for AI.

Anyone else practice this?

 

[Mathb33]

Then it’s not a cruise / rest period it’s a light cycle and you’re ON. stop lying to yourself and trying to find subtle way to stay on. There’s 2 ways to manage e2 and that’s lowering your cruise dose (ideal and the only real option) or using an anti estrogen. (Which is far from ideal because you would basically be running an AI on cruise and obviously on cycle so that means year round). Btw there’s nothing wrong with doing that if you accept the potential long term negative effects on your health. Lets just not call that a cruise cause it’s not. That’s 250+100+100 that’s a small cycle. 250 cruise is already too much for a cruise unless youre 300 lbs of muscle. I used to think I needed 250 too when I started to cruise and now I run 150 and I’m maintenang a 230 lbs off season physique at 5 foot 9 or a 190 lbs 6% BF physique with as low as 150mg. And I’m not genetically blessed, far from that.

 

[Smont]

Then it’s not a cruise / rest period it’s a light cycle and you’re ON. stop lying to yourself and trying to find subtle way to stay on. There’s 2 ways to manage e2 and that’s lowering your cruise dose (ideal and the only real option) or using an anti estrogen. (Which is far from ideal because you would basically be running an AI on cruise and obviously on cycle so that means year round).

By definition it's still a cruise, it's not trt.
A cruise is just less gear then your cycle. I'm not condoning it, but there's a difference between cruising and being on trt.

I wouldn't call 250 test trt either. We got to remember something here cruising is a made-up bro term

 

[Smont]

I would call pretty much all cruises a mini cycle.

For what it's worth, my cruise is my trt, 150mg

 

[Mathb33]

By definition it's still a cruise, it's not trt.
A cruise is just less gear then your cycle. I'm not condoning it, but there's a difference between cruising and being on trt.

I wouldn't call 250 test trt either. We got to remember something here cruising is a made-up bro term

Yes you’re right and That’s how I would talk with knowledgeable people yes, cruise is dependent on the individual. That’s not how I talk to people on forum simply looking for validation to run more gesr bro.

by definition a cruise dose is set to be AS LOW AS YOU CAN TAKE WHILE STILL ALLOWING YOU TO KEEP YOUR MUSCLE. that’s what a cruise dose is. Sure peole now say a cruise dose is whatever the **** I want but in the end if you decided your cruise dose is 450mg of oil thats still a cycle.

 

[Smont]

Yes you’re right and That’s how I would talk with knowledgeable people yes, cruise is dependent on the individual. That’s not how I talk to people on forum simply looking for validation to run more gesr bro.

by definition a cruise dose is set to be AS LOW AS YOU CAN TAKE WHILE STILL ALLOWING YOU TO KEEP YOUR MUSCLE. that’s what a cruise dose is. Sure peole now say a cruise dose is whatever the **** I want but in the end if you decided your cruise dose is 450mg of oil thats still a cycle.

Oh I completely agree with all of that, on a side note where you been. I haven't seen you post much lately

 

[Mathb33]

Oh I completely agree with all of that, on a side note where you been. I haven't seen you post much lately

I was still lurking a little and still grinding as much and even more towards my first show, took a little break of answering and writing in the forums. Just didn’t seem to have the same patience answering the same silly questions day after day! People are lucky here to have guys like you who are super patient and willing to help none stop. I noticed you been super helpful to members lately.

 

[Smont]

I was still lurking a little and still grinding as much and even more towards my first show, took a little break of answering and writing in the forums. Just didn’t seem to have the same patience answering the same silly questions day after day! People are lucky here to have guys like you who are super patient and willing to help none stop. I noticed you been super helpful to members lately.

I'm trying, I got the discount codes for both ma companies now so I feel like I should be extra helpful when I can. I do agree with you though, I feel like a lot of times I'm just answering the same questions over and over again. Even when I'm online watching some of these YouTubers who do the q&a's I feel like they get the same questions every goddamn week lol.

 

[Hyde]

This last cruise I ran 180 test & 120 primo e for 10 weeks or so. Initially I tried 150/120 but it wasn’t enough estrogen and realistically I wanted my total mg closer to 330/wk so I bumped test to 180 and felt that was perfect at 300 total mg.

I took 3 weeks off all shots before starting that up and got my levels all in places I was happy with to start blasting again.

I also found I was able to basically maintain my strength (what I train for) and all of my real size I had amassed in the previous blast. I was slowly increasing my strength actually, which I’ve never managed before between blasts.

I absolutely don’t think running more gear between blasts is ideal for maximum growth - you don’t need 300 for most guys to maintain for just a couple months, and the greater the difference in dose the better gains will be in the next blast. I am powerlifting and the focus is on steady strength progression. I know advanced strongmen who just cruise on 500 and when they pick out a show they just double test up to 1,000 and call it good. Maybe add some Dbol the last couple weeks. They aren’t changing size significantly beyond some water fluctuations.

 

[Mathb33]

I absolutely don’t think running more gear between blasts is ideal for maximum growth - you don’t need 300 for most guys to maintain for just a couple months, and the greater the difference in dose the better gains will be in the next blast. I am powerlifting and the focus is on steady strength progression. I know advanced strongmen who just cruise on 500 and when they pick out a show they just double test up to 1,000 and call it good. Maybe add some Dbol the last couple weeks. They aren’t changing size significantly beyond some water fluctuations.

Well said.

 

[brofessorx]

Hey guys.

I’ve been cruising on 250 test for around 5 weeks, and have found that by keeping in very small doses of mast/primo (100/100) I have had zero need for AI.

Anyone else practice this?

Me. I add 25 mg primo E once a week for e control.
There’s no need for more than that. I hit 125mg test e every 5 days.