Activate+Diesel Test(2010)

I think it would probably work ok, but why not throw in some atd in addition to that, or in place of the diesel test? I've never tried diesel test, but have heard good stuff about Chuck Diesel's stuff.
 
rampage jackson said:
I think it would probably work ok, but why not throw in some atd in addition to that, or in place of the diesel test? I've never tried diesel test, but have heard good stuff about Chuck Diesel's stuff.
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Those are the suggestions I am looking for. I have never done any of these compounds, so I am curious if people have or smarter people could shed some light on the subject. There was a thread on something similar to this and someone mentioned the combo of Diesel Test and Activate but nobody really commented on it.
It seems so many of these test enhancing products take a different route to raising test, some bind to something freeing up more test and some help to create more test. That seems like if you put the 2 together it would work well with each other but I could really be missing something here. Also in conjunction with those 2 or a similar 2 you could add atd or something else to control estrogen sides. Again I do not know but it sounds interesting.
 
I would really go with activate + rebound xt (atd) or Powerfull + rebound xt...there are hundreds of threads about the above stacks. Both have been shown to yield pretty good results.
 
I agree with the above post but, I say run this stack and keep a log or just update everyonce in a while, we will never know until someone runs the suggested combo. I have used rebound with decent results but I have never used or seen anyone comment on the newer version of the Diesel product...
 
I would say get 2 DT 2010 bottles and run them for 60 days, much better and safer than ATD + ActivaTe, in my opinion.
 
machinehead said:
I would say get 2 DT 2010 bottles and run them for 60 days, much better and safer than ATD + ActivaTe, in my opinion.
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I am familiar withi old DT, what is DT 2010
 
ATD anihilates all estrogen and kills libido in most cases, DT 2010 reduces bad estrogen. Moreover, DT 2010 supports LH and DHEA levels which invariably go down once free test levels go up. DT 2010 has it all covered, no need to stack it with anything, except for Raw Test perhaps. I did DT + RT once, it was great.
 
machinehead said:
ATD anihilates all estrogen and kills libido in most cases, DT 2010 reduces bad estrogen. Moreover, DT 2010 supports LH and DHEA levels which invariably go down once free test levels go up. DT 2010 has it all covered, no need to stack it with anything, except for Raw Test perhaps. I did DT + RT once, it was great.
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Who is this 'Bad Estrogen' ?

What kinda of results did you have with DT + RT? Please elaborate.

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canadian champ said:
Who is this 'Bad Estrogen' ?

What kinda of results did you have with DT + RT? Please elaborate.

cc
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Dude, "bad estrogen" is a term from Brotelligence 101:head:
 
canadian champ said:
Who is this 'Bad Estrogen' ?
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Brotelligence 101 Lesson I:

DIM is a plant compound found in cruciferous vegetables such as broccoli, cabbage, brussel sprouts, and cauliflower. DIM causes a beneficial shift in the balance of estrogen, testosterone, and progesterone in both men and women.* It acts as a powerful promoter of efficient estrogen metabolism.* DIM stimulates the breakdown (metabolism) of estrogen into “good” estrogen metabolites known as 2-hydroxy estrogens (2-methoxy-estradiol and 2-methoxy-estrone) which are metabolized from the active estrogen Estradiol. “Good” estrogen metabolites support overall health by functioning as antioxidants, helping to eliminate damaged cells, mobilizing stored fat (for use as energy), supporting Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) safety, weight management, exercise tolerance, development of lean muscle tissue, and by reducing the effects of aging such as those found in menopause and prostate dysfunction.* When “good” estrogen metabolites are increased there is a simultaneous reduction in the levels of “bad” estrogen (16-hydroxy estrone). “Bad” estrogen acts negatively in the body by promoting carcinogenic activity, oxidation, and damage to DNA. DIM’s capacity to promote healthy hormonal balance and function is due to its ability to support estrogen-metabolizing enzymes for efficient estrogen metabolism
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I may be wrong but I think the bad estrogens also cause the buildup of fat in chest area in men.

DIM, by the way, is one of the actives in DT

canadian champ said:
What kinda of results did you have with DT + RT? Please elaborate.

cc
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I used them for Phera-Plex PCT with Retain and no SERM's or AI's. I kept what I believe to be the majority of gains, and I added 20lbs and 1 rep to my squat on the 4th week. I was setting PR's every workout in that 4th week, it felt as if I was 'on'. The sense of well being in the 1st week was unmatched by anything I have taken before, probably due to the DHEA and pregnenolone in RT, since I had taken DT solo on a prior occasion without experiencing the same.

Once again, ATD reduces both types of estrogen and from that little info it becomes obvious that this is not desired if health is of any concern at all.
 
machinehead said:
Brotelligence 101 Lesson I:



I may be wrong but I think the bad estrogens also cause the buildup of fat in chest area in men.

DIM, by the way, is one of the actives in DT



I used them for Phera-Plex post cycle therapy with Retain and no SERM's or AI's. I kept what I believe to be the majority of gains, and I added 20lbs and 1 rep to my squat on the 4th week. I was setting PR's every workout in that 4th week, it felt as if I was 'on'. The sense of well being in the 1st week was unmatched by anything I have taken before, probably due to the DHEA and pregnenolone in RT, since I had taken DT solo on a prior occasion without experiencing the same.

Once again, ATD reduces both types of estrogen and from that little info it becomes obvious that this is not desired if health is of any concern at all.
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That last statement is a bit extreme in regards to AIs my friend. I have been using low dose aromasin while on cycle for the past 12 weeks and my total chol just came back at 104.

I have always been a fan of DIM in the past. However, preg and DHEA are NOT in retain. An analog of DHEA, methyl-bAET, is in it but it acts in a completely different manner than regular DHEA.
 
Max32 said:
That last statement is a bit extreme in regards to AIs my friend. I have been using low dose aromasin while on cycle for the past 12 weeks and my total chol just came back at 104.
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This is different, while being 'on' you have a lot of both estrogens, I presume. There is a difference between using an AI for controlling estrogen while 'on' and using it as a test booster.

Max32 said:
I have always been a fan of DIM in the past. However, preg and DHEA are NOT in retain. An analog of DHEA, methyl-bAET, is in it but it acts in a completely different manner than regular DHEA.
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RT = Raw Test
 
machinehead said:
This is different, while being 'on' you have a lot of both estrogens, I presume. There is a difference between using an AI for controlling estrogen while 'on' and using it as a test booster.



RT = Raw Test
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In this case, there was not a lot of estrogens as the compunds had little aromitization. There is a difference, but if anything, lipids would be more adversly effected using an AI while "on"
 
i am on last week of dt-2-2-1 just started activate and atd this week wow pretty awesome. i wouldnt recommend overlapping a whole cycle, its very intense, at 47 i got a zit on my nose. but on the up side i feel like i can leap tall buildings in a single bound. going to add pf/cissus on last week of activate/ atd then take a month off.
 
thebigt said:
i am on last week of dt-2-2-1 just started activate and atd this week wow pretty awesome. i wouldnt recommend overlapping a whole cycle, its very intense, at 47 i got a zit on my nose. but on the up side i feel like i can leap tall buildings in a single bound. going to add pf/cissus on last week of activate/ atd then take a month off.
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Very cool. Let us know how it turns out!
 
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