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939 pg/ml FREE Test!?

PBandJ

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So I just got my monthly labs back. 200mg Test. Obviously a lab error? I switched sources recently but I can’t believe this is even close to correct. I feel “TRT good” but that’s about it. Are lab errors like this common?


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PBandJ said:
Roughly a month ago. Ester is cyp.
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Hmmmm....
Well, the HALF-Life is approximately 8 days ....
I wonder if it finally built up to that ... Coupled with a Possibly stronger source?
 
Renew1 said:
Hmmmm....
Well, the HALF-Life is approximately 8 days ....
I wonder if it finally built up to that ... Coupled with a Possibly stronger source?
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I ordered another test today and will have them drawn tomorrow. Even if my total T is almost 3000, with an SHBG of 47, how could my free test be roughly 33% of my total? I’m no endocrinologist but that doesn’t add up to me. I have low blood pressure, nearly perfect lipids with an HDL of 71 and 43 Hematocrit. I think I would feel WAY different with an insane level of free test like that. I could be wrong but I feel like it’s an error
 
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PBandJ said:
I ordered another test today and will have them drawn tomorrow. Even if my total T is almost 3000, with an SHBG of 47, how could my free test be roughly 33% of my total? I’m no endocrinologist but that doesn’t add up to me. Guys say when their free test gets over 100 they start having a bunch of other issues. I have low blood pressure, nearly perfect lipids with an HDL of 71 and 43 Hematocrit. I think I would feel WAY different with an insane level of free test like that. I could be wrong but I feel like it’s an error
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You could be right!
Please let us know what you find out.
 
PBandJ said:
I ordered another test today and will have them drawn tomorrow. Even if my total T is almost 3000, with an SHBG of 47, how could my free test be roughly 33% of my total? I’m no endocrinologist but that doesn’t add up to me. Guys say when their free test gets over 100 they start having a bunch of other issues. I have low blood pressure, nearly perfect lipids with an HDL of 71 and 43 Hematocrit. I think I would feel WAY different with an insane level of free test like that. I could be wrong but I feel like it’s an error
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I agree that your numbers doesn’t add up but free Test over 100 should not come with issues. Preferably you want high free Test.
 
PBandJ said:
I inject EOD or ED. Blood was taken on a non injection day. All previous bloodwork has shown test around 1200.
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If you had these labs done the day after an injection or injected right before your blood was drawn, but injected two days before your blood was drawn on your previous labs, then that could explain why your free T is higher.

Just curious of why you’re injecting so often and how much are you injecting during a week?
 
sammpedd88 said:
If you had these labs done the day after an injection or injected right before your blood was drawn, but injected two days before your blood was drawn on your previous labs, then that could explain why your free T is higher.

Just curious of why you’re injecting so often and how much are you injecting during a week?
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I understand what you’re saying but I routinely get blood work every month with the same injection frequency, day after injection and test has never been above 1200.

I inject so frequently because I’m a hyper aromatizer. 175mg test puts my e2 at 130 and I try to limit my AI use when I’m on lower or “cruise” type dosing. I don't really mind the frequency and would rather keep the levels as stable as possible.
 
BBiceps said:
I agree that your numbers doesn’t add up but free Test over 100 should not come with issues. Preferably you want high free Test.
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Sure, I understand that high levels are better. I’ve been at this for a while and I think I would notice almost 10x the amount of a good free test level. When I say they “run into issues” Im referring to the usual blood markers start getting skewed and most guys definitely feel different in many ways. My Bloods are perfect, high HDL, low blood pressure, making the usual progress in the gym for a lower test dose, decent libido, no increased aggression or anything that would make me feel like I have a crazy amount of free test. In fact I was just about to start proviron because I’ve been thinking my free T is low. I don’t normally run free test labs, just total.

The real marker that makes me think it’s an error is that I have pretty high SHBG (47) meaning I should have low free test (1-2% free ) not 33%. Do you see what I mean?
 
So I ran the same test a week apart, same dose and timing of blood draw and Total test came back at 2075 and Free test at 573. SHBG of 43. Still doesn’t add up. I ordered another free test saliva kit from another company. I don’t believe I can have 25% free test with such a high SHBG.
 
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The fact that there is a almost 50% difference in my free test levels with zero changes since the last test is another red flag to me.
 
PBandJ said:
So I ran the same test a week apart, same dose and timing of blood draw and Total test came back at 2075 and Free test at 573. SHBG of 43. Still doesn’t add up. I ordered another free test saliva kit from another company. I don’t believe I can have 25% free test with such a high SHBG.
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This result is still pretty high but fairly (high) normal, my blood test on 200mg Test C is close to that in its peak from 1 shot a week.
 
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Plugging your total test and SHBG into an online free test calculator gives a result of 81.9 ng/dL = 2.82 %. The one I used is here, if anyone wants to confirm I did it right.

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Screwtape said:
Plugging your total test and SHBG into an online free test calculator gives a result of 81.9 ng/dL = 2.82 %. The one I used is here, if anyone wants to confirm I did it right.

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Thanks Screw. I found a similar calculator today while doing a little research. I just can’t figure out why it would be so high? I changed UGL sources recently but can’t imagine that it’s double or triple dosed? Because my levels are all of a sudden double (almost triple last week). I thought I understood SHBG and bioavailabile test relatively well but I guess I have more to pickup. I have some proviron I’d like to add in but don’t want to free up a ton more testosterone if my levels are already pretty high. Any thoughts?
 
PBandJ said:
Thanks Screw. I found a similar calculator today while doing a little research. I just can’t figure out why it would be so high? I changed UGL sources recently but can’t imagine that it’s double or triple dosed? Because my levels are all of a sudden double (almost triple last week). I thought I understood SHBG and bioavailabile test relatively well but I guess I have more to pickup. I have some proviron I’d like to add in but don’t want to free up a ton more testosterone if my levels are already pretty high. Any thoughts?
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On 600 of true presciption T, i have free T over 1850...so its possible you have something just slightly over dosed and you are a good responder.

Testosterone, Free 1873.9 H * 35.0-155.0 pg/mL SL
Testosterone, Total, MS 4325 H * 250-1100 ng/dL SL
 
Falco1098 said:
On 600 of true presciption T, i have free T over 1850...so its possible you have something just slightly over dosed and you are a
Falco1098 said:
On 600 of true presciption T, i have free T over 1850...so its possible you have something just slightly over dosed and you are a good responder.

Testosterone, Free 1873.9 H * 35.0-155.0 pg/mL SL
Testosterone, Total, MS 4325 H * 250-1100 ng/dL SL
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Thanks Falco. Posting your free T actually really helps. I rarely see people’s free T numbers correlated with the dose. I don’t normally run my free T. I was always under the assumption that with my SHBG, I should have 2.8% free or unbound test and that comes out to 58.1. What makes up the rest of the 573?

The other thing I still don’t get is why my numbers were almost half what they were a week prior with the exact same gear, dose, inj. freq, time of day etc.
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PBandJ said:
I was always under the assumption that with my SHBG, I should have 2.8% free or unbound test and that comes out to 58.1. What makes up the rest of the 573?
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I'm guessing whatever method they are using to calculate free T Isn't accurate when total T is so high.
 
PBandJ said:
I was always under the assumption that with my SHBG, I should have 2.8% free or unbound test and that comes out to 58.1. What makes up the rest of the 573?
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I didn't check, if that 2.8% is correct, but assuming it is, then there's really no false math here. Your TT is measured as ng/dl and free T as pg/ml.

So 2075 ng/dl x 0.028 (2.8%) = 58.1 ng/dl.

58.1 ng/dl = 581 pg/ml.

1 nano = 1 000 pico. 1 dl = 100 ml. So anytime you want to convert ng/dl to pg/ml you just multiple it by 10.

The 'little' difference in measured 573 pg/ml and calculated 581 pg/ml is probably due to them measuring it and we are calculating it (which is always just a calculation) and part of the test is bound by Albumin, not SHBG.
 
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My cousin just got his labs back, 49 years old and he opted for the pellets 🤦🤦🤦

Anyways his first bloodwork shows total test in the 200's and free test in the 900's

I'm fukin stumped on that one
 
Smont said:
My cousin just got his labs back, 49 years old and he opted for the pellets 🤦🤦🤦

Anyways his first bloodwork shows total test in the 200's and free test in the 900's

I'm fukin stumped on that one
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Ugh on pellets. He really should just pin 2x per week.
 
C'mon guys this is as basic as it gets

Look at any study. 1-200mgs of cyp or enanthate peaks at 24-48 hrs. In labs it showed elevations of around 2000 n/dL at said dose.

So all this does is confirm he has authentic test.

Nothing unusual or spectacular about this.

Basic. 101.

Draw labs 7 days after your last injection fasted if you want to see your "true" and medically accepted level
 
Falco1098 said:
Start with 2x and see how your E2 is without and AI. If fine no need to change. If not move to EOD. This is where i stopped. If still to high move to ED.
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I was joking. And he can't pin. The pellets are already inserted, they last 6months. We has him pinning at one point and he can't do it himself so he had to have someone else do it for him all the time and he had enough of it.

He's not worried about anything other then simplicity and quality of life. (I still don't recommend pellets for anyone) but he seems to feel this is the best route for him
 
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