many old school/banned ph/ds!!! what to stack for first cycle and training in 10 years???

[jmc1980]

I haven't trained in 10 years, I'm 45 years old. before that I trained since 16-35 years old and used ph/ds on and off since 18 years old. I have a good supply of older, and hopefully stronger, stuff than today's stuff saved up since many years ago. I'm 6' 5" and 260 lbs and I don't really know if I should start by bulking or cutting first, or a recomp. I'll post some pics of my supply. maybe someone out there will see an obvious cut, bulk, or recomp stack in the works. thanks, Jeff

 

[jmc1980]

3 bottles of win 50, 3 bottles iml super-dmz 2.0 that is 10 mg Sten with 10 mg dmz. 1 bottle of Olympus labs epistane 120 caps of 15 mg per pill, 1 bottle of pes anabeta elite which I know nothing about, 1 fusion supplements formestane max and 1 bottle of arimistane, and the product I have a really great feeling about which is Olympus labs DERMATREST transdermal. hope that helps, Jeff

 

[ironviking]

Just my opinion here and I'm guessing you are just starting back.
Put all that stuff back in the closet. Get back to where the gym is just part of your life again. Work out all the kinks, small aches, and strength imbalances you might have from not working out over the years. Get your diet in a good place for macro and micronutrients. That would really only take around 6 months. Then cut first, if taking PEDs again is in your eventual plans get BF down to around 12% or lower then look for some good stuff that probably isn't expired. It seems that lifting was a huge part of your life for awhile, maybe take getting back to that place as a goal first. ... again just my opinion, best of luck to you

 

[Smont]

I think if you start a cycle as soon as you get back in the gym you're going to completely sabotage yourself because for the first couple months you're back in the gym you should be able to make ridiculous muscle memory gains. You're going to completely skip that part and go straight to the prohormones. I'd give myself a couple months and let things start taking shape on their own and then I would hit a cycle.

At 45 I would say get on some testosterone and pick one prohormone to run with it, but assuming that's not an option, I would do a low dose of transdermal test with 20-30mg of epistane per day as my cycle if I had your stash and was coming in from a similar situation as yours. I'm assuming you've used most of these things in the past anyways.

Anabeta elite is a natural anabolic, if you're dying to take something right away I would start with that solo and you could potentially add arimistsne, I never found that product to actually do much for lowering estrogen, but it seems to be a good cortisol blocker for some reason.



Get back in the gym for a month and get into a good routine, run the anabeta elite for the second month and after that point I'd probably do the trest+epistane

Just my rambling thoughts and opinions

 

[Smont]

Oh, when you do run the trest, get a real AI on hand. I wouldn't put my trust in anything over the counter managing estrogen on trestolone. The epistane helps a little tho too