2nd cycle advice PH or pin

[Owens23]

Alright guys finished my first cycle/pct in beginning of January ran 1andro, 4andro 345mg ed and epi andro 1000mg ed and made good gains and kept almost all of my strength had basically zero sides other than no sex drive. Was bulking the whole time even after pct for a bit now I'm at 15% bf so I'm currently cutting but thinking of starting my 2nd cycle around may when I start bulking again.

So my question which route would you all recommend for 2nd cycle should I do a stronger PH cycle or should I do something like a test e only cycle? I've never pinned before so there's that. I like the idea of the test cycle just so I could run it longer to get more gains vs a 8 week PH run. Would like something that's gonna get me some more gains than the andro cycle without to crazy of sides I'm trying to stay on the safer side of things if that's possible doing steroids lol

 

[Owens23]

And if anyone needs to know I'm currently 27yo 6'1" 190lbs. When I started first cycle I was around 180 got up to a little over 200 then after pct came down around 193

 

[Smont]

Pin or ph is up to you but I can almost guarantee if your already cutting your gonna loose all the muscle you gained. Your body needs to get use to the extra size you put on or it will be very hard to maintain. I'm no expert but I been at this for about 16 years and you gotta earn them new gains. I wouldn't have recommended cutting for a good 3-4 months post cycle. Or until it got easy to maintain your bodyweight

 

[Owens23]

My pct ended first week of January continued to bulk rest of January and February now dropping macros down to maintenance for a bit before I actually start cutting but could keep them where there at for a bit longer just didn't want bf to be very high if I start another cycle in may to bulk I normally don't have much issue with being able to cut I've always had a high metabolism and been the tall skinny body type so could wait a bit longer to cut

 

[bigbeaph]

My pct ended first week of January continued to bulk rest of January and February now dropping macros down to maintenance for a bit before I actually start cutting but could keep them where there at for a bit longer just didn't want bf to be very high if I start another cycle in may to bulk I normally don't have much issue with being able to cut I've always had a high metabolism and been the tall skinny body type so could wait a bit longer to cut

All the more reason to keep those calories at or above maintenance. Just another way of saying what Smont has already stated above....just bc you finished pct and have kept some good size doesnt mean it is yours just yet. There are still months of training to achieve the stimulus needed for the body to want to keep it. Then there is eating so that it can. My rule of thumb is - once I start gaining again, then it's very close to my new body. Then I can look at cutting or another cycle.

 

[Old Witch]

Try something like 100mg halodrol with 1000mg epiandro for next cycle.

Then try something like dmz, m1A, or MSten with the same epiandro 1000mg

Then either go for the test cycle with dianabol or anadrol to start off or try M1T or SD with epiandro.

 

[Smont]

All the more reason to keep those calories at or above maintenance. Just another way of saying what Smont has already stated above....just bc you finished pct and have kept some good size doesnt mean it is yours just yet. There are still months of training to achieve the stimulus needed for the body to want to keep it. Then there is eating so that it can. My rule of thumb is - once I start gaining again, then it's very close to my new body. Then I can look at cutting or another cycle.

A good example of owning that new weight is ppl who dont lift. I got family who have weighed the same for years after they stopped working out because they spent years at a pirticular weight. No matter how they eat they stay around there normal weight

 

[Smont]

Try something like 100mg halodrol with 1000mg epiandro for next cycle.

Then try something like dmz, m1A, or MSten with the same epiandro 1000mg

Then either go for the test cycle with dianabol or anadrol to start off or try M1T or SD with epiandro.

What rhyme or reason is there behind tjese cycles? They all sound like fun but theres no thought behind them

 

[Old Witch]

What rhyme or reason is there behind tjese cycles? They all sound like fun but theres no thought behind them

Dead simple oral cycles with increasing toxicity/harshness/strength

Obviously one could do whatever one wishes.

 

[BarryScott]

Try something like 100mg halodrol with 1000mg epiandro for next cycle.

Then try something like dmz, m1A, or MSten with the same epiandro 1000mg

Then either go for the test cycle with dianabol or anadrol to start off or try M1T or SD with epiandro.

How important is the epiandro. Taking a gram a day sounds exorbitantly expensive.

 

[nasrenegade]

Is this to expose the body to experience of different compounds prior to pinning? I mean, why not go with 500mg/wk test if possible? It's not for everyone, sure, but it's a good starting point.

 

[Owens23]

I was leaning towards 500mg test e/week if I can get past the pinning just like the idea of PH cause there simpler but figured I would get more gains from the test i guess ill keep macros around maintence or a tad higher for another couple months just didnt want my bf to be to high if I start another cycle in may. If I stay at 15% the whole time would that be to high of a BF to start a cycle to bulk

 

[Whisky]

Having done both (my first cycle was similar to yours) I’d pin bro. I ran a couple of ph cycles then pinned and for several reasons I’d suggest 300-500mg test a week with either tbol or msten as an oral.

It’s safer, you’ll gain more and feel better.

Worth noting that what Smont has said is what I found as well. My second cycle I cut straight after and lost most of what I gained. This time around I’ve accepted the higher body fat for much longer and will only cut very slowly until I’m back on cycle.....

 

[Shiznitzz]

Up to you mate, orals are much more liver toxic, pins not as much depending on the drug. After a few oral cycles I decided to go for the needle, whole different ballgame.

 

[RickyBlobby]

15mg 7-alpha ace (trest ace) a day as a base (should boost gains as well) along with 16-24mg MSTEN for 8 ish weeks would be a great cycle. You can get both from PRE.

you can do the 15mg trest throughout the 8 weeks and do 16mg sten first 6 weeks then bump it up to 24mg for the last 2. By week 4 if you aren't getting any bad sides you could bump the dosages up too. Like 30mg trest 32mg MSTEN.

This would need to be followed by a strong PCT like clomid 100/50/25/25/25 and nolva 20/20/10/10/10.

Trest is awesome, makes you feel great. And at 15mg a day TD you shouldn't see much in the way of sides, although I'd keep an AI handy for sure.

 

[jrock645]

Up to you mate, orals are much more liver toxic, pins not as much depending on the drug. After a few oral cycles I decided to go for the needle, whole different ballgame.

Yeah last two oral cycles made me feel like a train wreck. No more for me.

 

[bigbeaph]

15mg 7-alpha ace (trest ace) a day as a base (should boost gains as well) along with 16-24mg MSTEN for 8 ish weeks would be a great cycle. You can get both from PRE.

you can do the 15mg trest throughout the 8 weeks and do 16mg sten first 6 weeks then bump it up to 24mg for the last 2. By week 4 if you aren't getting any bad sides you could bump the dosages up too. Like 30mg trest 32mg MSTEN.

This would need to be followed by a strong PCT like clomid 100/50/25/25/25 and nolva 20/20/10/10/10.

Trest is awesome, makes you feel great. And at 15mg a day TD you shouldn't see much in the way of sides, although I'd keep an AI handy for sure.

Little off topic but RB - do you think adding in trest in this manner either on a cruise or a blast might help sexual issues? Last trest run my libido was uncontrollable, but I was using more too

 

[Old Witch]

Little off topic but RB - do you think adding in trest in this manner either on a cruise or a blast might help sexual issues? Last trest run my libido was uncontrollable, but I was using more too

I was wondering same. Except I was thinking of just foregoing the test and trying a little trest along side the usual suspects.... see what shakes loose. But that’s for a couple of years from now I think. Maybe. I will be stocking up on some trest soon... for the future.

 

[Smont]

15mg 7-alpha ace (trest ace) a day as a base (should boost gains as well) along with 16-24mg MSTEN for 8 ish weeks would be a great cycle. You can get both from PRE.

you can do the 15mg trest throughout the 8 weeks and do 16mg sten first 6 weeks then bump it up to 24mg for the last 2. By week 4 if you aren't getting any bad sides you could bump the dosages up too. Like 30mg trest 32mg MSTEN.

This would need to be followed by a strong PCT like clomid 100/50/25/25/25 and nolva 20/20/10/10/10.

Trest is awesome, makes you feel great. And at 15mg a day TD you shouldn't see much in the way of sides, although I'd keep an AI handy for sure.

How's the 7 alpha trest vs the other kinds with estrogen

 

[RickyBlobby]

Little off topic but RB - do you think adding in trest in this manner either on a cruise or a blast might help sexual issues? Last trest run my libido was uncontrollable, but I was using more too

Yeah in my experience a little trest sure does help the libido. 15mg TD ace should do the trick IMO.

How's the 7 alpha trest vs the other kinds with estrogen

My brother was on 30mg a day TD and didn’t experience sides. He hardly ever gets sides from anything though so it’s hard to say.

 

[RickyBlobby]

I was wondering same. Except I was thinking of just foregoing the test and trying a little trest along side the usual suspects.... see what shakes loose. But that’s for a couple of years from now I think. Maybe. I will be stocking up on some trest soon... for the future.

Trest makes me feel better than test for sure.