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  1. what size do you hope to one day achieve by using using AAS/PH/DS ?

    -outline of abs show when not flexing -18" cold flexed arms -everything else proportionate

  2. best ph for cutting recomp

    I think we're getting off track here, this thread is about cutting. I understand your angle on using 11-oxo before Havoc in a bridge. You're saying to get any gains from it you need to run it first. Remember though, we're talking about a cut here so the person will be calorie deficient which...

  3. best ph for cutting recomp

    One of the Ergo reps recommended the best way to run these two would be 4 weeks Havoc/EPI followed directly by 4-6 weeks of 11-oxo. For example, the recomp cycle he gave me the nod for was: Weeks 1-4 Havoc 40/40/40/40 Weeks 5-10 11-oxo 8 per day Weeks 11-14 PCT (Nolva 40/30/20/10) The above...

  4. best ph for cutting recomp

    If taking 3 or less per day no PCT is needed as it just acts as a cort blocker mostly. With 11-oxo you can run it @ 6+ per day on a cut for 6-8 weeks. You can keep your strength and possibly add a little as well as keep your muscle while losing fat. With Hdrol and Havoc/EPI you can expect to...

  5. Is four weeks of HAVOC enough?

    Thanks for sharing. I'm doing 40/40/40/40 but *considered* doing 6 weeks depending on how I feel. I'm on day 8 and I feel good, but no strength gains yet. Question: I was planning on doing 40mg for 4 weeks as I said above, then doing 6 weeks of 11-oxo @ 8 pills per day to extend recomp...

  6. Havoc Cycle

    IMO: -Take out the Gatorade, it has high fructose corn syrup in it as well as artificial colors and flavors. -Reduce the Nolva dose. -Use natural peanut butter (with no added sugar or salt) -Use Cycle Support during the cycle, use liver support during the PCT since you're using Nolva

  7. Why Ill DEFINITELY stay a NutraPlanet customer.

    Ordered $247 Tue night with regular free shipping. Arrived today. No samples, but pretty fast and good prices. However, they were out of stock on a couple of things I wanted so I held off on ordering those items.
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