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Overall, currently available treatment is non-intrusive and very little side effects (there are a lot of treatments that have come out throughout the year, one would likely be placed on one or two of them on average). You may have felt like crap but you were also on a PEP regimen (but catching...

It’s really hard to take you seriously when I’ve explained what the discussion is, twice now if not three times, and that it is self explanatory if you had even bothered to follow the posts from myself and the person I was responding to. You also didn’t understand because you didn’t use my...

See, again you don’t understand what the fundamental argument is. LoL. I’m not comparing viruses as if they are the same. I’m pointing out that the poster’s argument uses a set of criteria and logic as his reasoning why a vaccine is unnecessary as well as the severity of COVID-19 being trivial...

How did I misrepresent? I addressed his argument directly. I gave an equivalent scenario and asked the person what his choice would be using his own argument. It’s a direct A to A comparison. The fact that you make this claim that I made a straw man argument and literally can not substantiate...

Again, there’s no deaths attributed to the vaccine yet you claim there are based on self reporting. Your reasoning is inconsistent because what you apply to the vaccine you then turn around and not apply it to AAS use. The data is the data. You clearly do not know how to read and interpret the...

It’s hilarious to you because you clearly don’t understand how to interpret data. Basic principles of statistics and math seems to allude your. The self reporting is anecdotal. You need to look at the data as a whole rather than focus exclusively on anecdotal information (which is exactly what...

What straw man argument? I’m using his own criteria. His argument is inconsistent and nonsensical if he only applies it arbitrarily and only to make a argument against the COVID vaccine but then takes HIV seriously even though his own criteria applies to HIV (low to no symptoms and high survival...

The person that I was responding to stated that COVID is no big deal and for something so low risk if you contracted it, there’s no need to be vaccinated. Going by that person’s logic, that person should be perfectly ok with contracting HIV. I posed that to the person because I know that this...

So your personal experience gives you enough data and credibility to give a general health recommendation to everybody else? Again, I’ll take your arguments seriously as soon as you let us know that you are perfectly fine with contracting HIV because based on your criteria, it’s not a big deal...

What kind of argument is that? We can get HIV and be fine these days, should we just go out and try and contract HIV? Survival rate is high but serious illness rate is also high as well as mortality. The therapeutics only increased your survival rate but that means nothing. We are still seeing...

The data is the data. The data shows that the vaccine is not nonsense. Disprove the data with data. What data can you point to in order to support your argument? You literally made it the argument in this thread that you don’t need the vaccine because you have good immunity. Going by your logic...

No, not just now. This was the case back when both vaccines were in clinical trials. Clinical trials ended last year for phase 3. This means we have a ton of safety and efficacy data on mainly the most vulnerable. The reason being, they used the most vulnerable as they were at higher risk and...

Did you look at the data? It’s mostly on higher risk people (older people). 60-80 years olds literally made up over 40% of both US and international trial participants. HIGH RISK made up over 40% of all participants in both international and US trials. Younger demographics is actually newer...

They are typically afraid of lawsuits. Side effects, they have a high tolerance for it (OxyContin, fentanyl). However, again, we are in a pandemic. The vaccines were OK’d because our other option is to let the virus continue to go out of control and mutate. Do you live in city? If you lived in...

You’re jumping around arguments here. You started with the argument implying that the vaccines are dangerous. Now your argument is that you just don’t like being told what to do. Look, I’m not here to argue that everyone needs to be vaccinated. I don’t feel comfortable forcing people to...

Yet you are on a message board which is mainly supported by the supplement industry and you obviously are fine with using supplements using ingredients which we have very little data on them being safe or not having side effects down the road. So do you question the supplement companies in...

We are also in a global pandemic. What part of a global pandemic did you not notice? I also pointed out how drugs make it to market with FAR LESS safety data than the vaccine has. The SAFETY DATA on the vaccine is actually quite good. It’s fine if you think there is a government conspiracy and...

Just in case something does go wrong, since these are coming from private companies concerned about liability. HOWEVER, the data clearly shows that they are safe. Both in clinical trials as well as out in the wild (we have statistics for this now). If there’s even a .00000001% that it could go...

The trials were being done early on. They’ve had safety data for this for a long while now since they were already trialing with 10s of thousands of people. You are trying to imply that there was no testing done and they just randomly YOLO’d this vaccine. They’ve been more transparent with the...

There’s nothing to suggest that it wasn’t used due to it being dangerous. The problem has been difficulty of production as well as there simply not being a use case for it. You are also conflating the mRNA vaccine technology being using right now with the discovery of the concept of mRNA. The...